Adolescence - British TV Crime Drama Where 13 Year Old Schoolboy Murders Classmate

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Bullshit and you know it. All the cases similar to this that have happened in the last 5 or so years have been "youths" of migrant background or from poor as fuck broken working class families, both aspects which the show ignores.
respectfully, how would you know?

Since you have watched it can you provide us with some context then? Do they really spend the last episode making a 4th wall breaking PSA?
no, and i don't understand that assertion. honestly, the forth episode is the most heartfelt of the series. there's no accusation, there's no pontification; it's simply the difficulty that is understandably expected of a healthy family who have had their lives dramatically altered, and who now are left to reconcile the family they once were with the family that they've become. the episode is quiet and intimate in its approach, revealing that each member of the family is struggling in their own way with what they did or didn't do, with what they could and couldn't have done.

Do the politician scum shilling this series as if it was a real case and demanding action based on it sound like they actually watched it or are they doing the sort of thing we did just on the opposite side of the political spectrum and sucking it off for clout without seeing it?
i don't know. aside from the article that you posted, i don't know who is shilling it, what aspect of it they're shilling, or what particular politics they might be trying to bolster. i imagine any politician with school-aged children who has watched the series might regard it with a 'there but for the grace of god go i' kind of mentality.

Are we told about muh soggy knees is a core cause and do they really keep acting like feminism hasn't been in power as a political ideology of the mainstream for 30 years now?
no, and i don't understand that reference.

there's little to no discussion about feminism. at one point (included in the trailer), the lead detective's son explains the dynamics in which incels and the manosphere believe, but only to illustrate how completely ignorant the investigators are as to the communication happening between the victim and the perpetrator on social media. it's a brief conversation, and i only vaguely understand why it was included in the trailer after reading the article that you posted. honestly, i think that the trailer is incredibly misleading, and intentionally so, just to generate outrage and thus, attention. the term 'toxic masculinity' is never uttered. the series doesn't place blame anywhere; it's more of an illustration of all of the little things that can transpire unnoticed which result in a violent crime that seems nonsensical, but in retrospect, becomes obvious.

eta: the father is being antagonized by kids in the neighborhood because of the family's notoriety. the word "nonse" (yes, misspelled) is painted on the side of his work van, and even the family doesn't understand why, but we're led to believe that this kind of vandalism has happened before.
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sorry but is this a real issue? like how many normal 13 year old boys are out here killing girls that rejected them?

You can make shows about things that are unusual but people are talking as if this was common. It isn't. Most of the people who commit crimes like this show clear antisocial behavior well before it happens.



This is a good example of what i am saying, this dude said he wanted to kill people several times before he actually did it. The Soham murders is another one, everybody in the neighborhood knew the dude was a pedo.
The show is not presenting this as normal, but it's not pushing it like it's some widespread epidemic either. The show is saying that even good kids can get pushed too far and have a bad day that makes them snap. He was been bullied on social media by the girl and by some of his peers, and even after he tried to be sympathetic to the girl getting ostracized herself for being a bitch, she STILL treated him like garbage when he asked her out, making him go into rage. While the boy did admit to attacking her, he also said that he only intended to scare her at best and the audience never got solid confirmation of what actually happened. There were other boys with him that night, one had procured the knife, it has yet to be found, and they were way worse than the boy (he even ran from the cops). Another character surmises that based on reports, the severity of the wounds could only have been inflicted someone bigger and stronger than the boy, who was only 13 but built like a 10 year old. I would not be surprised if this becomes a plot point if there is a next season.
 
The show is not presenting this as normal, but it's not pushing it like it's some widespread epidemic either. The show is saying that even good kids can get pushed too far and have a bad day that makes them snap. He was been bullied on social media by the girl and by some of his peers, and even after he tried to be sympathetic to the girl getting ostracized herself for being a bitch, she STILL treated him like garbage when he asked her out, making him go into rage. While the boy did admit to attacking her, he also said that he only intended to scare her at best and the audience never got solid confirmation of what actually happened. There were other boys with him that night, one had procured the knife, it has yet to be found, and they were way worse than the boy (he even ran from the cops). Another character surmises that based on reports, the severity of the wounds could only have been inflicted someone bigger and stronger than the boy, who was only 13 but built like a 10 year old. I would not be surprised if this becomes a plot point if there is a next season.
I'm not talking about the show per se but the reaction to it, saying there should be anti misogyny classes for example.

Edit: bbc article here. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwynlnn9w78o

a lot about online risks ( this is a fictional show btw) i wouldn't be surprised if the UK tries an Australian type ban for kids.


Also the writer of the show doesn't agree with you: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0egyyq1z47o

Adolescence writer calls for 'radical action' not role models​

2 days ago
Ian Youngs
Culture reporter


Netflix Owen Cooper as Jamie in a scene from Adolescence
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Owen Cooper has been praised for his performance as 13-year-old Jamie
One of the most talked-about TV shows of recent years, Netflix's hard-hitting drama Adolescence, has been the hot topic of discussion this week, from the House of Commons to US talk shows to the gates of the scriptwriter's son's school.
Those discussions have been sparked by the fictional story of a 13-year-old boy who is accused of stabbing a girl, and the factors that could have turned him into a killer.
"I've had lots of responses from people I haven't heard from for years, telling me about conversations they're now having with their children," writer Jack Thorne says. "That's really gratifying.
"My son's headteacher stopped me at the school gates to say, 'I'd like to talk to you about this, and I'd like to think about what our school can do and what other schools can do'," Thorne adds.
"The conversations seem to be starting in all sorts of different places."
Thorne is now calling for the government to take "radical action" to help tackle the issues the programme raises.
Chief among them are social media and the influence of incel (involuntary celibate) ideas, which encourage men to blame women for their lack of relationships and opportunities.
Netflix Jack Thorne in a dark blue shirt speaking into a microphone at a panel event to promote Adolescence
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Adolescence co-writer Jack Thorne also penned another recent Netflix hit, Toxic Town
But the drama, which Thorne created with actor Stephen Graham, is not just pointing the finger at incel culture, the writer tells the BBC.
"I really hope this is a drama that suggests that Jamie is like this because of a whole number of complicated factors."
His parents, school and friends are all shown as playing a part in various ways.
But Jamie, played by Owen Cooper, is bullied on social media to make him feel ugly, and is exposed to incel messaging and skewed views on sexual violence.
"He is this vulnerable kid, and then he hears this stuff which makes sense to him about why he's isolated, why he's alone, why he doesn't belong, and he ingests it. He doesn't have the filters to understand what's appropriate," Thorne says.
"At this age, with all these different pressures on him and with the peculiarities of his society around him, he starts to believe that the only way to reset this balance is through violence."
Netflix Christine Tremarco with an arm around Stephen Graham, both looking tearful
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Christine Tremarco and Stephen Graham play Jamie's parents
The writer went down similar online wormholes himself on sites like 4Chan and Reddit in order to see the world through Jamie's eyes.
He found that these messages were not simply coming from the obvious places.
"It was far from just Andrew Tate. It was not those big guns of the manosphere," he says.
"It was the smaller blogs and vlogs and the little bits like people talking about a video game, but then explaining through that video game why women hate you.
"That was the stuff that I found most disturbing."

Watch: Co-writer of Adolescence Jack Thorne speaks to Newsnight about the threat of incel culture
These issues aren't new, but the show has come as others are also discussing the dangerous messages aimed at boys and young men.
On Wednesday, former England football manager Sir Gareth Southgate delivered a speech warning against "callous, manipulative and toxic influencers".
"They are as far away as you could possibly get from the role models our young men need in their lives," he said.
Thorne says Sir Gareth is "amazing" - but he believes the solution is about more than having better role models.
"We've been having that conversation since I was a kid," the writer says. "This has got to be a point where we do something a bit more radical than that. It's not about role models.
"Role models obviously can have a huge impact on people. But truthfully, we've got to change the culture that they're consuming and the means by which our technology is facilitating this culture.
"It was a really interesting speech, but I was hoping he was going to propose more radical things than he did."
So what could more radical solutions be?
Netflix Ashley Walters and Faye Marsay walking down a school corridor at the centre of a group of children in school blazers
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Police detectives played by Ashley Walters and Faye Marsay visit Jamie's school to seek information
This week, Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer told Parliament he's been watching the "very good" drama with his teenage children.
Violence carried out by young men who are influenced by what they see online is "abhorrent and we have to tackle it", and is "also a matter of culture", he told the Commons.
Thorne hopes the PM will get the message that "there's a crisis happening in our schools, and we need to think about how to stop boys from harming girls, and each other".
"That's going to take a mass of different things to facilitate in schools and in homes, and that requires government help," he says.
He urges Sir Keir to "rather urgently" consider a smartphone ban in schools and a "digital age of consent", similar to Australia, which has passed a law banning children under 16 from using social media.
The writer has also suggested extending that to all smartphone use and gaming.
"I think we should be doing what Australia is doing, and separating our children from this pernicious disease of thought that is infecting them," he says.
A ban would be a tough sell to teenagers, though.
Netflix Owen Cooper and Erin Doherty sitting across a table from each other and staring at each other
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Each episode was filmed in a single shot, including one showing a session between Jamie and a child psychologist played by Erin Doherty
Thorne appeared on BBC Two's Newsnight this week alongside three men aged 18, 19 and 21.
When asked about a social media ban for under-16s, they had mixed feelings.
One said it was "a great idea, within reason", another said it would be "quite unfair", while the third was against the idea, arguing that "social media has brought a lot of good to young generations as well".
For Thorne, the question about how to police smartphones and social media is about to come very close to home.
His son is eight, and Thorne says he wants to make sure he establishes "a method of communicating with him" as he grows up. Soon, he will want his own phone.
While working on the series, he has been thinking about how to handle his son's future use of technology. "And I'm still processing how to do it."
Researching and writing Adolescence has opened his eyes about the challenges facing young people and parents, he says. But how to tackle them? That's the hardest part.
 
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respectfully, how would you know?

Pattern recognition from seeing this bullshit over and over. "#StopAsianHate" ring a bell? "#MeToo"? Both were cases of issues with violence which were made into discussions about white supremacy and men as a whole, respectively, instead of addressing the actual issue.

i don't know. aside from the article that you posted, i don't know who is shilling it, what aspect of it they're shilling, or what particular politics they might be trying to bolster. i imagine any politician with school-aged children who has watched the series might regard it with a 'there but for the grace of god go i' kind of mentality.

So we have a retard who didn't watch the show but understands the entire circus around the drama (me) and one who did watch the show but has absolutely zero knowledge of the drama around it (you).

With our powers combined we are a complete opinion on the subject.
 
ncidentally, this is the actual perpetrator of the event on which this story is based.


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Alex Muganwa Rudakubana
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6p2yrg3pvpo

But don't worry. Its based on a true story.
The show isn't based on this. What the kid does in the show isn't even remotely similar to the Southport stabbings. Not sure where this idea has come from, but it's clearly not from people who've actually watched it.
 
The show isn't based on this. What the kid does in the show isn't even remotely similar to the Southport stabbings. Not sure where this idea has come from, but it's clearly not from people who've actually watched it.

Probably because it is the most high profile murder of this type that has happened in the last few years, and because the people who are claiming the show as a political rallying cry are the exact types who were desperate to bury Southport and ignore all the diversity with it.

Despite that there is also the issue that most knife crime involving "youths" in the UK is majority gang related by immigrants and non-white kids of immigrants, or when they are white from absolutely fucked poor communities with fucked families and seriously shit upbringing.
 
Despite that there is also the issue that most knife crime involving "youths" in the UK is majority gang related by immigrants and non-white kids of immigrants, or when they are white from absolutely fucked poor communities with fucked families and seriously shit upbringing.
The kid in the show was white, not an immigrant, and came from a completely normal middle class family. Nor was he in a gang.

So the show was not some pro- or anti- screed about men, immigrants, or whatnot. It was about how a normal, everyday person can have a bad incident, and how it affects them and everyone around them.

Not my fault if people with an agenda want to turn the show into propaganda for their side.
 
Adolescence is pernicious, low-effort piece of agitprop, straight-up propaganda. Propaganda isn't art--not even bad art. It's a political tool meant to make its audience more malleable and submissive and thus indefensible on artistic grounds. Stop treating this vile shit as anything other than what it is.

Those maniacal migrant savages roving the streets in feral packs and getting all rapey and stabby in the UK? Not the problem. The real problem is the seething anger of teenage white boys. Look at them, the last, pallid vestiges of a post-Patriarchal Britain, frustrated little malcontents exuding toxic masculinity from their pores. Some are even gingers. Something Must Be Done. Castration, perhaps.
 
It's a political tool meant to make its audience more malleable and submissive and thus indefensible on artistic grounds.
no, i don't believe this. it may be being used as a tool, but i do not believe that was the intention.

it's curious to see that fewer than half of the people commenting on the series have actually watched it. also, i can't help but notice that the strongest opinions are coming from the same people that i read calling for total jouro death in a&h, yet their opinions seemed to be formed solely on what they've read in the media and "pattern recognition".
 
the perpetrator could have been brown or black, and that would simply allow the series to be dismissed by being embroiled in claims of racism. the perpetrator could have been a young woman, and that would have allowed it to be dismissed with claims of misogyny.
Why should the killer being non-White allow claims of racism but the killer being White not? Why should the perpetrator being a woman open it to claims that it is anti-woman but the killer being a man not open it to claims that it is anti-male?

We all know that the Netflix writers would not make the killer schoolkid other than a White male. And that's the issue isn't it? Not that he's White but that he's only allowed to be White.

And to give some of the wider context around this show, the Bong govt. wants to show it in schools, the Prime Minister is promoting it officially and today in the national newspapers I see big articles about how parents can keep their children away from "Toxic online content" (no doubt these people would include Kiwifarms in that category) and the government is renewing its push for restricting "dangerous" sites online.

Britain has some very specific problems with double-standards and two-tier policing. This is demonstrable and plenty of established real examples to draw on. The UK govt. wants to redirect any attention onto its preferred bogeyman and use that to tighten the screws and protect other policies of theirs from criticism.
 
no, i don't believe this. it may be being used as a tool, but i do not believe that was the intention.

it's curious to see that fewer than half of the people commenting on the series have actually watched it. also, i can't help but notice that the strongest opinions are coming from the same people that i read calling for total jouro death in a&h, yet their opinions seemed to be formed solely on what they've read in the media and "pattern recognition".
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The show is not presenting this as normal, but it's not pushing it like it's some widespread epidemic either. The show is saying that even good kids can get pushed too far and have a bad day that makes them snap. He was been bullied on social media by the girl and by some of his peers, and even after he tried to be sympathetic to the girl getting ostracized herself for being a bitch, she STILL treated him like garbage when he asked her out, making him go into rage. While the boy did admit to attacking her, he also said that he only intended to scare her at best and the audience never got solid confirmation of what actually happened. There were other boys with him that night, one had procured the knife, it has yet to be found, and they were way worse than the boy (he even ran from the cops). Another character surmises that based on reports, the severity of the wounds could only have been inflicted someone bigger and stronger than the boy, who was only 13 but built like a 10 year old. I would not be surprised if this becomes a plot point if there is a next season.
"If you have a bad day you can lash out", no shit sherlock. I don't need to watch 4 hours of Netflix show to know that. Plus if he was innocent the show producers wouldn't have pushed it as anti toxic masculinity.
The kid in the show was white, not an immigrant, and came from a completely normal middle class family. Nor was he in a gang.

So the show was not some pro- or anti- screed about men, immigrants, or whatnot. It was about how a normal, everyday person can have a bad incident, and how it affects them and everyone around them.

Not my fault if people with an agenda want to turn the show into propaganda for their side.
It's absolutely retarded to argue that being White middle class somehow makes it non political. Especially when that background is the rarest origin of child criminals. They couldn't even have him be whitetrash because that would suggest that White people in Britain can be disadvantaged.

Also I still don't understand how even the "don't let your children be online" aspect comes into play. None of the plot is unique to the last century. 13 year old boys always wanted to fuck. Bullying in school always existed. Seemingly the only wrong here is that White children are allowed to realize the game is rigged.
 
no, i don't believe this. it may be being used as a tool, but i do not believe that was the intention.
The UK is currently being plagued by sexual and physical violence committed by 'migrants' to the point of indigenous Brit civil unrest, with more recent public protests specifically triggered by the wanton slaughter of little girls by a very non-white, knife-wielding maniac. Adolescence was made to redirect these fears and resentments away from feral fucking migrant savages to a more politically acceptable target: teenage white boys. The motivations driving this show's creation should be blatantly obvious to even the most dense and obtuse.

I don't need to watch a show to learn the plot. This is propaganda.
 
@.iota. and others who watched the show, this post from another thread gives a better idea of why so many people here are sperging about this series despite having not seen it, and should make clearer what is meant with "pattern recognition".
The problem is, the content doesn't really matter in the grand scheme. I don't think anyone taking such a firm stance over it, on any side of the argument, has actually seen it. Rather, its mere existence has started a conversation, as the kids on tumblr liked to say. It has presented a few soundbites, mentioned Tate, and given the talking heads the chance to re-frame the debate away from "migrants have increased petty violence and crime" and into one of "internet misogynist racists making white kids stab girls". This is a politically acceptable issue to have a national debate about. The media talking points, the political grandstanding, the immediate launch of policies and educational initiatives designed to combat "hate", all of that stuff is the real purpose and all of it was siting on the sidelines, waiting for this opportunity. The show itself is incidental. It could be two hours and forty minutes of a silent, black screen and it would have about the same outcome if that was the outcome they wanted to achieve.
 
The guys of ZeroHedge added their pinch of salt about that series.

Adolescence: Netflix Series Demonizes Young White Men And The Manosphere
by Tyler Durden

Tuesday, Mar 25, 2025 - 03:30 AM
The progressive media is swooning over a new miniseries produced in Britain and distributed by Netflix called 'Adolescence', and after reviewing the story it's easy to see why. British government officials are hailing the show as a wake up call and are using it to promote online censorship of the "Manosphere". Leftist journalists are seeking to drum up artificial interest, calling it a "masterpiece" that exposes the toxic nature of masculinity.

At a time when the political left is losing the culture war on almost every front it's not surprising that they would hyper-promote an otherwise forgettable series that panders to the woke demographic. Its depiction of a teen murder, driven by the terrible "evils" of conservative influencers who expose the irrational zealotry of feminism and DEI, is pure propaganda fodder. A desperate attempt to to double down on woke arguments that have been debunked for years.
The creators of Adolescence cite a recent string of knife attacks against girls in Britain as the inspiration for the series, but in typical progressive fashion the production ignores the fact that the vast majority of these crimes were committed by minority and migrant males. The teen killer in Adolescence is a white British boy, not a minority.

Britain has seen an 80% increase in knife attacks in the past ten years. Leftists claim this is because of a rising movement of anti-feminism, but something else has been happening in the UK over the past decade that offers a better explanation - Mass immigration, predominantly from third world countries and Muslim populations that have little regard for women's rights.
Over 53% of all knife crime in Britain is committed by minorities and migrants representing only 18% of the total population according to data collected in 2022. In the vast majority of attacks on women and young girls the suspects are minorities, as was the case with Southport killer Axel Rudakubana who killed three girls and wounded multiple bystanders at a dance recital in July of 2024. The event was the last straw and led to British protests and riots.
 
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