Opinion Afghanistan Is Your Fault - The American public now has what it wanted.


By Tom Nichols

Kabul has fallen. Americans will now exercise their usual partisan outrage for a few weeks, and then Afghanistan, like everything else in a nation with an attention span not much longer than a fast-food commercial, will be forgotten. In the meantime, American citizens will separate into their usual camps and identify all of the obvious causes and culprits except for one: themselves.

Many Americans will bristle at the idea that this defeat overseas can be laid at their feet. When U.S. forces had to endure the misery of the retreat from North Korea back to the 38th parallel, no one made the argument that it had happened because of the voters. No one turned to the American people during the fall of Saigon and said, “This is on you.”

So why would I do that now?

Much of what happened in Korea and Vietnam—ultimately constituting a tie and a loss, if we are to be accurate—was beyond the control of the American public. Boys were drafted and sent into battle, sometimes in missions never intended to be revealed to the public.

Afghanistan was different. This was a war that was immensely popular at the outset and mostly conducted in full view of the American public. The problem was that, once the initial euphoria wore off, the public wasn’t much interested in it. Coverage in print media remained solid, but cable-news coverage of Afghanistan dropped off quickly, especially once a new adventure was launched in Iraq.

In post-2001 America, it became fashionable to speak of “war weariness,” but citizens who were not in the military or part of a military family or community did not have to endure even minor inconveniences, much less shoulder major burdens such as a draft, a war tax, or resource shortages. The soldiers who served overseas in those first years of major operations soon felt forgotten. “America’s not at war” was a common refrain among the troops. “We’re at war. America’s at the mall.”

And now those same Americans have the full withdrawal from Afghanistan they apparently want: Some 70 percent of the public supports a pullout. Not that they care that intensely about it; as the foreign-policy scholar Stephen Biddle recently observed, the war is practically an afterthought in U.S. politics. “You would need an electron microscope to detect the effect of Afghanistan on any congressional race in the last decade,” Biddle said early this year. “It’s been invisible.” But Presidents Obama, Trump, and Biden all ran on getting out of the war, and now we’re out.

What the public does care about, however, is using Afghanistan as raw material for cheap patriotism and partisan attacks (some right and some wrong, but few of them in good faith) on every president since 2001. After the worst attack on U.S. soil, Americans had no real interest in adult conversation about the reality of anti-terrorist operations in so harsh an environment as Afghanistan (which might have entailed a presence there long beyond 20 years), nor did they want to think about whether “draining the swamp” and modernizing and developing Afghanistan (which would mean a lot more than a few elections) was worth the cost and effort.

Maybe it would have been worth it. Or maybe such a project was impossible. We’ll never know for certain, because American political and military leaders only tried pieces of several strategies, never a coherent whole, mostly to keep the costs and casualties down and to keep the war off the front pages and away from a public that didn’t want to hear about it. Today, many claim that they did not know what the military or the government were really up to, and they point to The Washington Post’s attempt to create a Pentagon Papers vibe around a set of revelations that were not nearly as shocking as the secrets of Vietnam—or should not have been, anyway, to anyone who read a newspaper during the past two decades.

Nor did Americans ever consider whether or when Afghanistan, as a source of terrorist threats to the U.S., had been effectively neutralized. Nothing is perfect, and risks are never zero. But there was no time at which we all decided that “close enough” was good enough, and that we’d rather come home than stay. Obama made something like this case during the 2011 surge, and Donald Trump tried to make a similar argument, but because Trump was too stupid or too lazy to understand anything about international affairs (or much else), he made it purely as a weaponized political charge and, as with his inane attempts to engage North Korea, in a search for a splashy and quick win.

Biden’s policy, of course, is not that different from Trump’s, despite all the partisan howling about it from Republicans. As my colleague David Frum has put it: “For good or ill, the Biden policy on Afghanistan is the same as the Trump policy, only with less lying.”

But as comforting as it would be to blame Obama and Trump, we must look inward and admit that we told our elected leaders—of both parties—that they were facing a no-win political test. If they chose to leave, they would be cowards who abandoned Afghanistan. If they chose to stay, they were warmongers intent on pursuing “forever war.” And so here we are, in the place we were destined to be: resting on 20 years of safety from another 9/11, but with Afghanistan again in the hands of the Taliban.

A serious people—the kind of people we once were—would have made serious choices, long before this current debacle was upon them. They would today be trying to learn something from nearly 2,500 dead service members and many more wounded. They would be grimly assessing risk and preparing both overseas and at home for the reality of a terrorist nation making its way back onto the international map.

Instead, we’re bickering about masks. We’re holding super-spreader events. We’re complaining and finger-pointing about who ruined our fall plans. (I’m part of that last group. Spoiler: It’s the people who refused easily accessible vaccinations.)

Biden was right, in the end, to bite the bullet and refuse to pass this conflict on to yet another president. His execution of this resolve, however, looks to be a tragic and shameful mess and will likely be a case study in policy schools for years to come. But there was no version of “Stop the forever war” that didn’t end with the fall of Kabul. We believed otherwise, as a nation, because we wanted to believe it. And because we had shopping to do and television to watch and arguments to be had on social media.

But before we move on, before we head back to the mall, before we resume posting memes, and before we return to bickering with each other about whether we should have to mask up at Starbucks, let us remember that this day came about for one reason, and one reason only.

Because it is what we wanted.
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Why would Americans do this? How could we be so selfish?
 
This is not a good idea, I said 19 years ago.

This is not going to go the way we want it, I said 19 years ago.

"You're a terrorist lover!" "Bush needs to tap your phones you terrorist!", "You hate the troops and America!" "Why do you love Al Queada?!" they told me 19 years ago.

I want to talk to those same people now.

Trannies and niggers will get the job done 15x more effective even if the enemy has our equipment have faith
Won't comment on troons, but you do know we had blacks in the military when we actually were winning wars, right?
 
This is not a good idea, I said 19 years ago.

This is not going to go the way we want it, I said 19 years ago.

"You're a terrorist lover!" "Bush needs to tap your phones you terrorist!", "You hate the troops and America!" "Why do you love Al Queada?!" they told me 19 years ago.

I want to talk to those same people now.
People who were that fucking rabid were either driven insane by 911 or they were fucking retarded.

We should have left once OBL got iced.

We should have let the regular US Army kill OBL instead of demanding that Meal Team Six be the ones to take him down. (Four times! FOUR! They let him slip through their fingers for PR and SOCOM's ass blasted whining)

Nobody has ever given a shit about Afghanistan beyond poppies, underage sex slaves, and goat fuckers.
 
This is not a good idea, I said 19 years ago.

This is not going to go the way we want it, I said 19 years ago.

"You're a terrorist lover!" "Bush needs to tap your phones you terrorist!", "You hate the troops and America!" "Why do you love Al Queada?!" they told me 19 years ago.

I want to talk to those same people now.
Over 70% of the American public supported invading Iraq. I have not met one of these people in 15 years. Wonder where they all went?
 
than the hundreds of thousands of Afghan lives we destroyed for no reason.
I'd like to think 9/11 was a pretty good fucking reason.

It was the nation-building neocon strategic plan that was the issue. We shoulda just cut and run. Fuck 'em. Show up, support the Northern Alliance with air power and logistical support. Maybe some shooters to handle the tough jobs. When conquered toss 'em the keys and say "it's all yours" then leave. It would have worked and more importantly it would have sent the right message. "Back the bad guys and we will show up and fuck up your shit and give your enemies power."
 
The American public wanted Bin Laden fucking dead, essentially cutting the head off the snake that was Al-Qaeda. It was NATO/the UN, Washington, and Uncle Sam’s infinite amount of alternate agendas that turned the Middle East into a fucking shit show. Our government and past administrations went into Afghanistan with this nation building idea that was fucking stupid to begin with. Yeah, we were patriotic after 9/11. Yeah, a lot of young men signed their lives away to go fight in that hell hole sand box... But you’re really going to blame them and the people? They didn’t go over there for the sake of a bunch of stupid sand monkeys, they just wanted to kill the big baddy and get justice for the worst attack on our nation ever.

Bush went overboard and sent tens of thousands of troops and the full force of the American military into the Middle East to create the problem, Obama pussy footed around the issue and thought drone strikes were the solution to everything when in reality he was pissing on the wasps nest, Trump had a big stick / fuck around and find out policy that he used to bring stability as he moved troops out, and now Biden is scrambling to pull the rest out since the Taliban is on the offensive.

Nobody ever signed up for the fucking “war on terror” and this long haul... especially not the people. We were happy when Bin Laden was dead in 2010 and now a lot of us are sitting here asking how the fuck it’s 2021 and we’re still in that stupid ass country. Bureaucracy, big government, political agendas, corrupt opportunist politicians, and poor management are what caused this... Not the people.
 
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Hahaha, I knew just from seeing the title of the article it was that warmonger, neocon and faggot Nichols.

Cope and Seethe.
 
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Hahaha, I knew just from seeing the title of the article it was that warmonger, neocon and faggot Nichols.

Cope and Seethe.
I've seen him get BTFO by milTwitter more than once, and all he can reply with is "I taught at the War College" and then people going "Yeah, I attended your lectures, you were a retard."

I love seeing him talk about nukes and about halfway through his lecture you realize that he's the Wimp Lo of analysts.
 
I'm a powerless individual.. I have nothing to do with the decisions that led to the Taliban taking over Kabul and neither does any other private citizen In the US. None of us can force war decisions on the government.

This guy doesn't understand that regardless of opinion the complexities of this was are over most people's heads. It's more than Taliban=bad, US troops=good. These people aren't ready for a democracy and many of them don't want it anyway. We tried. We failed. We spent a lot of money. 20 more years and maybe we might get an inch more progress.

Looking at those Kabul evacuation photos, I see plenty of young men trying to escape who could have fought for their country if they wanted to defend it. A country of 40 million people with significant private gun ownership (to say nothing of the Afghan army equipment) couldn't defeat 100k Taliban.

Apparently it either just wasn't worth it for them or they wanted this all along.

Some of them were smiling and waving to the camera. Maybe they were just along for the ride. I don't recall seeing women in the images or video. They are the ones that have the most to lose from Taliban control.

All that training and they still couldn't defend themselves against the Taliban.
 
Some of them were smiling and waving to the camera. Maybe they were just along for the ride. I don't recall seeing women in the images or video. They are the ones that have the most to lose from Taliban control.

All that training and they still couldn't defend themselves against the Taliban.

Really? I need to check the footage again.

If so what a bunch of effeminate, preening bastards....
 
Really? I need to check the footage again.

If so what a bunch of effeminate, preening bastards....
Check it out at six seconds. A guy in a red vest and yellow turban smiles and waves at the camera as he's running by.


It doesn't mean some people weren't actively trying to flee. But I wonder how many were there for the lulz.
 
Check it out at six seconds. A guy in a red vest and yellow turban smiles and waves at the camera as he's running by.


It doesn't mean some people weren't actively trying to flee. But I wonder how many were there for the lulz.
I think he's just trying to stay positive, that or he's amused by the novelty of all of it. Nobody's going to that airport for fun, people are actually dying. Ironically it's probably more dangerous there then in the rest of Kabul right now.
 
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I was a kid you dumb fucking bitch.
How was this ever my fault?
Do you think blaming me for my friends dying would magically make me like you or did you just do it for what little measly clicks you get left from your sordid shitty little place of a blog/contrived jouranlistic site?

You people are scum, journalists trully are the worst people in the world, and they choose to be this fucking stupid.

I've seen him get BTFO by milTwitter more than once, and all he can reply with is "I taught at the War College" and then people going "Yeah, I attended your lectures, you were a retard."

I love seeing him talk about nukes and about halfway through his lecture you realize that he's the Wimp Lo of analysts.
War College sounds as retarded as Martial Arts Club.
The fuck are you doing there if you love this shit so much? Just go actually do it. Pussy.
 
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Nobody ever signed up for the fucking “war on terror” and this long haul... especially not the people. We were happy when Bin Laden was dead in 2010 and now a lot of us are sitting here asking how the fuck it’s 2021 and we’re still in that stupid ass country. Bureaucracy, big government, political agendas, corrupt opportunist politicians, and poor management are what caused this... Not the people.
It's like the MCU being effectively over after Endgame, it was a nice wrap-up, people were satiated, but the studio heads kept green-lighting more movies of D-list characters and saying "it's not over YET, you still need to give us a couple more years just to make suuuuuure....." and nobody is showing up to any of the newest movies... you missed your chance to cut and run, and now you're stuck with trillions in assets you're not getting back that could've been avoided had you just done NOTHING.

On a serious note, I solemnly hope this is the end of the "use our Army for nation building" model, as it clearly can't be done by force (which itself was just a reskin of the "communist containment" model, so I'm not holding my breath)

But it's there for all to see: If a country doesn't WANT democracy and doesn't RESPECT human rights, nothing you can do will change it.

Progress must be organic, doing it at gunpoint ALWAYS fails. No matter how noble and benevolent you are or are not.
 
"The war was popular"

Yeah no shit the war was popular when people thought the goal was actually "Kill the fucking Taliban" after they literally caused 9/11. That and we also thought Iraq had WMDs, thanks jornos for pushing an OBJECTIVE LIE. Im sure if you told people "The war was just about oil, and we won't even kill Bin Laden until 2012, oh and btw were also in Syria for no reason lolololol" then Im sure less people would have supported it. But hey, blame the people who were lied too by the elite after seeing the twin towers hit the dirt instead of the elites
 
These people hate you, never forget that when they cry crocodile tears.

They want you dead, deconstructed and all that you love destroyed. And they find your suffering hilarious.

Never.forget.that.
 
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