Aging and society

How should society view aging?

  • As an inevitable arc in the human life cycle

    Votes: 32 57.1%
  • As a disease to be cured by future innovations in medical science

    Votes: 15 26.8%
  • As something to be avoided by more traditional means (live fast and die young philosophy)

    Votes: 3 5.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 5 8.9%

  • Total voters
    56
I'd love to be able to live and die without needing to face the existential question of the ship of Theseus, thank you very much.
Such changes happen already with regular aging and growing up. Someone who is 40 years old is completely different now from what he was at 16 years or at 5 before that and will have become basically another person at 70 years too.

death comes for us all. dosent matter if you find a way too stop aging, use cybernetics, put your brain into a think-tank or transport your "soul" into cyber-space, death WILL come for you at some point even if you can hold it off for 100 or 1000 of years. either you accept death as part of your life and live the best life you can or you end up being miserable and fear it everyday until it gets you.
I believe we live forever through different worlds. Nevertheless, dying sucks.
 
You can artificially extend your life with science all you want, but you'll go fucking insane eventually. Our brain can only hold so much data, and we can only live so long and do so much before becoming tired. Not just physically but mentally, emotionally.
And you guys talking about replacing body parts? Good luck. With how often people here talk shit about mentally unstable troons, you'd think there'd be more self awareness about the effects of body modification.
I hope artificial hearts have a proper beat. Otherwise? You'll notice, and it will fuck with you.
 
Honestly I would extend my lifespan by hundreds or thousands, but only if most of the people I care about did the same. And I most certainly wouldn't volounteer as a test subject for something like that.
Exception: If the singularity occurs and turns out to be a massive disappointment.
 
Such changes happen already with regular aging and growing up. Someone who is 40 years old is completely different now from what he was at 16 years or at 5 before that and will have become basically another person at 70 years too.
At least you have memory over your entire existence; once you hit Xk years old and you can only remember the past Y-hundred years, the problem becomes much more acute.
 
I want to go out plugged into some Inception-like contraption. We all get old, we aren't as lively as we used to be and after some years we won't be as physically active as we once were. Why grow old and decrepit IRL when we could be whomever and whatever in some virtual reality space until our hearts finally give out?

This could work out for the very old but something tells me we'll get a version of Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas as Supreme Overlord of the human race instead-Nancy Pelosi is almost there.
 
I want to go out plugged into some Inception-like contraption. We all get old, we aren't as lively as we used to be and after some years we won't be as physically active as we once were. Why grow old and decrepit IRL when we could be whomever and whatever in some virtual reality space until our hearts finally give out?

This could work out for the very old but something tells me we'll get a version of Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas as Supreme Overlord of the human race instead-Nancy Pelosi is almost there.
That is simulated reality. I want to live in the Disney Duck universe.
 
I imagine drugs that do make a 3000 year old think like a teenager for a day or something.


Maybe, as one grows older with life extension - not decades, but centuries and millenia - older memories and skills, when not used anymore, will fade away because the mind cannot store so much information. People change and after a 1000 years or so, somebody will have become an entirely new person.

This is even worse.

Reminds me of the horror of reincarnation. I would like for there to be a positive afterlife, but I would rather have oblivion (I assume the experience of it is akin to general anesthesia, which I've had) than have reincarnation. Losing your memory of past events basically destroys the value of them and being subjected to that repeatedly is like a torture method.

Your idea would be like that except the process would be so gradual that you wouldn't notice it happening, which is probably even worse since it means you'd have the conscious awareness of the process.

I can't see myself getting old (mid 30s-over 40) because I already feel like I've had enough, but I can also understand people who wish to outlive everyone else since they'd have a lot of time to study and explore life. However, most people you talk to who "want to live forever" tend to forget that this also means outliving your own children, parents, whatever and being absolutely alone at the end of it all. And dear god, that's horrible if you consider how enormous the generation gap is nowadays even if it's just 5 years or something, I would not wish that on anybody. Every moment spent awake would be one where people would call you an old geezer, not understand you or think you're senile, the times where old people were looked up to as wise and strong have been gone for a long, long time.

That's a relevant concern in scenarios where immortality is rare, but less so if immortality is common.

It does raise a related point about death. Assuming that you have immortality in the sense of not aging but not in the sense of being impervious to damage (impossible) or being able to be brought back from nothing (impossible barring assumptions about the spirit world), everybody will still eventually die.

The reason is just statistics. There are many things that can kill you and every second you live you're rolling the dice on one of them happening. The longer you keep rolling, the more improbable the chances that one of them won't happen.

The world of no aging is a world where a father's son can die of cancer at 10, the father grow to the age of a million, and then the father die by slipping in the bathtub and hitting his head.

But, relating this back to outliving people, in this world you have a comfort that even if you don't believe you'll actually rejoin your loved ones in an afterlife, you at least have the belief that you'll not think about it any longer. That million-year-old went through a million years without his son (by which point it probably became meaningless to him, anyways), and the only way he could hasten his demise would be through suicide.
 
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Such changes happen already with regular aging and growing up. Someone who is 40 years old is completely different now from what he was at 16 years or at 5 before that and will have become basically another person at 70 years too.


I believe we live forever through different worlds. Nevertheless, dying sucks.
i belive in the void. once you dead, there is only nothingness.
 
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You can artificially extend your life with science all you want, but you'll go fucking insane eventually. Our brain can only hold so much data, and we can only live so long and do so much before becoming tired. Not just physically but mentally, emotionally.
And you guys talking about replacing body parts? Good luck. With how often people here talk shit about mentally unstable troons, you'd think there'd be more self awareness about the effects of body modification.
I hope artificial hearts have a proper beat. Otherwise? You'll notice, and it will fuck with you.

I might be wrong, but I think we already have artificial hearts that don't beat.
 
Read somewhere that there's a part of our chromosomes called telomeres. They are longer when we are young, but shorten as we age. Apparently this has a connection to the body aging. So unless any treatment can make those telomeres longer again, doubt any real body-wide anti-aging treatment would be effective.

Researchers have already found ways to prevent (and even reverse) telomere shortening in the laboratory. The trouble is that doing so is associated with tumor formation. For instance, in transgenic mice which don't experience telomere shortening, they don't even reach adulthood before dying of extensive tumors.

To think about cellular senescence from a survival standpoint, you really have to view it in terms of an evolutionary trade-off: on the one hand, it acts as a kind of emergency brake to terminate cells which are at risk of becoming cancerous, but on the other hand, it eventually accumulates to drive age-related pathology.

This was a paradoxical discovery for researchers, because it became apparent that the mechanisms which keep us alive when we're young are often the very same mechanisms which kill us when we're old. Even more paradoxically, while senescence acts as a major tumor suppressant during the early stages of life, it can actually be a major driver of tumor formation later in life (advanced biological age correlates strongly with higher incidences of cancer formation).

From the perspective of natural selection, I suppose this makes a kind of perverse sense. In the end, all evolution really cares about is our ability to survive long enough to successfully pass on our genes, and once we've done that, any extra time we have afterwards seems to serve little to no evolutionary purpose.

Whether researchers are able to come up with an intervention to get around this problem, at this point, remains to be seen, but it would be interesting to see how it could be done.

Have you ever heard the saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks?". It's quite true, the way neural networks develop in the brain up until the mid-twenties enable young people to adapt and change their habits and ways of thinking wheras it's relatively rare older people can radically change their outlook or views in radical ways. Would womens sufferage have ever occurred in a world in which the men of the 18th century were still alive? Would serfs have ever gained liberty if the Black Death hadn't reduced the population so sufficiently that non-nobles could demand rights?

The consideration that people seem to become less open to new ideas with age is an interesting one, but can we really be sure that this is due to a person's age in the chronological sense, or due to a person's age in the biological sense?

On the one hand, I could see how, theoretically, an increasing number of experiences over the course of a person's life could lead to an increase and reinforcement of certain biases, but on the other hand, psychological research seems to suggest that while crystallized intelligence increases long after adulthood has been reached, fluid intelligence starts declining almost immediately after adolescence has ended.

Can we really say with confidence that the cantankerousness we witness in older people is due mostly to their experiences making them jaded, or could it have more to do with how their brains may have changed on a biochemical level? Speaking purely anecdotally, I have personally witnessed how dementia can cause formally jovial people to become increasingly withdrawn and irritable as the condition progresses. Couldn't the same be true of more subtle cognitive changes?
 
I'm 27 and getting wrinkles on my forehead.
Just a year ago I looked dramatically younger than my age. Now I look my age.

I'm freaking out.
 
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i belive in the void. once you dead, there is only nothingness.
Boring! I'm an optimist.

I'm 27 and getting wrinkles on my forehead.
Just a year ago I looked dramatically younger than my age. Now I look my age.

I'm freaking out.
Those are signs of the deadly hereditary disease aging!
 
I have always lived with my grandparents, as is common in my culture. I feel like it is a positive experience living with them, and now they took care of me when I was young, I take care of them now. Part of the reason I even live at home is if they need something. Sometimes, it's challenging to live three generations under one roof, but overall I can't imagine my family being any other way. In a lot of cultures, aging is a very family oriented process, and I feel Western cultures have lost touch with this.
 
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