Agnostics slowly edging toward being religious. - There isn't a god, I guess?

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

God is absolutely real. He’s just not the Christian god, sorry.

 

[mr.moon1488]

One day you realize that none of this matters. The next day you will realize it only matters because it's a test for what does matter.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

I don't ascribe to any religious belief in particular, but I hesitate to say there is no higher power.

I'm more inclined to sympathize with the religious now than I was in the past-- because self described "science" has morphed into a cult of it's own, complete with it's own absurd mantras, it's own shun-worthy taboos. One isn't allowed to questions "TWAW" or "gender is a construct", or even "pharmaceutical companies/ tech companies don't always have our well being at heart!" without being branded a heretic. As I get older, I recognize that human beings are inclined to create a "religion" when there is a vacuum.

I'm also more inclined to sympathize with the religious now as we have complete degenerates using "anti-Christianity" arguments to JUSTIFY repulsive displays of corporate power like "Pride Parades", drag queen story hour, to justify pedophilia, to justify medical butchery of children, to justify eradication of women in language and culture. I've had more than one argument with a TWAW or "children can consent!" moron who responds to me "may I ask what religion you ascribe to?" "don't you realize you're holding on to fundamentalist Christian ideology"? Kiss my ass, Glitter PrideStapo Bully Boys. I won't swallow your bullshit.

Even the nuttiest factions in Afghanistan-- they themselves are repulsed by the Bacha Bazi culture that relishes in kidnapping their sons from them and prostituting them. That bizarre practice in itself helped fuel their "Holy War". It's like modern degenerate culture wants to "turn out" all children in to dancing prostitutes. Modern culture wants to make everything a disease ridden poly BDSM fuck fest, and wants to throw children and animals into the mix. Repulsive.

Modern times only solidifies the argument that Christianity, for example, exploded a few years after Jesus' death as a response to the degeneracy of the times, when Romans castrated and/or raped their slaves--men, women and children-- on a regular basis. Numerous degenerate eunuchs had enormous power, as they were often advisors to rulers, and they helped the leadership oppress the masses. They were often power hungry sociopaths who only cared about their own wealth and status. Here we are, history repeats itself.

Now we have the CULT of Transhumanism taking over everything, and it's a sinister ploy to eradicate humanity (with the help of technology) in favor of a small elite class who deem themselves as "Holy Men". It's practically Biblical in terms of evil-- like Herod murdering all the baby boys in the land. We need something akin to God to combat it, so I hope He's real at this point in my life. I know I'll never see justice in my lifetime, I hope there is justice after death.

 

[Esau]

The church was established by the apostles who were taught directly by Christ and received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. They did not say "do whatever you want, don't associate with fellow Christians, don't have any actual norms or community." Everywhere they went, they established Christian communities with set practices and beliefs, communities which were guided by bishops ordained directly by the apostles themselves and grew into what we now call the church. These communities received letters of guidance from the apostles which are part of the New Testament. Again, these letters do not say "do whatever you want, nothing matters, don't practice communion, don't have a fellowship."

Yes, this is correct. However, it has to emphasized that Apostolic Succession is exclusively spiritual. The physical institution of the church is certainly corruptible. Whereas the Holy Christian Apostolic Church cannot falter, and is comprised of ever single faithful Christian. It is accounted to nothing, by God, wherever or howso The Lamb's Bride has lovingly encompassed you. Please don't mistake this doctrine for Universalism, which proposes that salvation is possible outside of Christ.

Augsburg Confession, Article VII. Of The Church.

1 Also they teach that one holy Church is to continue forever. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered.

2 And to the true unity of the Church it is enough to agree concerning the doctrine of the Gospel and 3 the administration of the Sacraments. Nor is it necessary that human traditions, that is, rites or ceremonies, instituted by men, should be everywhere alike. 4 As Paul says: One faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all, etc. Eph. 4:5-6

Augsburg Confession, Article VIII. What the Church Is.

1 Although the Church properly is the congregation of saints and true believers, nevertheless, since in this life many hypocrites and evil persons are mingled therewith, it is lawful to use Sacraments administered by evil men, according to the saying of Christ: The Scribes and 2 the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat, etc. Matt. 23:2. Both the Sacraments and Word are effectual by reason of the institution and commandment of Christ, notwithstanding they be administered by evil men.

3 They condemn the Donatists, and such like, who denied it to be lawful to use the ministry of evil men in the Church, and who thought the ministry of evil men to be unprofitable and of none effect.

If you refuse communion with your fellow Christians, you are refusing Christianity itself.

Yes, but I don't understand how this is wholly exclusive to church. I don't think that Hutterites even have churches, they just congregate in other's homes for prayer.

The only sort-of exception is if you're literally going off by yourself to be a hermit monk like the desert fathers, but that's pretty clearly not what you're talking about, and you probably don't even know who the desert fathers were, if I had to guess.

Is this relevant?

Don't get me wrong, you certainly want to try and avoid adhering to a false church, of which there are many.

Which churches?

But to completely refuse communion in any form makes no sense what so ever for a Christian. Whatever "faith" you are practicing at that point no longer resembles even slightly the faith that was taught by Christ and his followers.

I agree, congregating with fellow believers is important. But I'm confused: I don't believe that anyone was advocating against fellowship.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

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...climax, jerking off to their own airtight logic?

What else is Deep Thoughts about?

 

[gang weeder]

The men who founded the church at the very beginning have nothing to do with the men who've run the church since then, and even among Yeshua's followers, they weren't without sin. None were without sin but Yeshua Himself, and even He said He was not perfect, that the title of "perfect" can only be placed on the Lord, and no man comes unto the Lord but by Yeshua, His sacrifice. It isn't by church rules, or communion, or by earthly priests that you're saved.

The other guy brought up a reasonable point; are you talking about totally refusing any kind of communion or fellowship here, or you just don't like going to church because mommy and daddy made you go every Sunday when you were a kid?

Yes, but I don't understand how this is wholly exclusive to church. I don't think that Hutterites even have churches, they just congregate in other's homes for prayer.

You got me bro, I was assooming that the church = fellowship and communion. I would say that wherever you're practicing fellowship and communion, that's your community's church. I know of one congregation that is meeting in the back of a coffee shop until they can get more of a space of their own figured out.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

God is probably none of the things humans currently believe.

 

[Overcast]

As a small child, for whatever reason, I didn't believe in God, despite being born with parents who did believe.

As a teenager, I declared myself an atheist because a character I liked on TV said he didn't believe in God.

In my twenties, I considered myself agnostic as I felt there wasn't proof of a God, but there wasn't necessarily proof there wasn't one either.

Now, in my thirties, after spending two years dealing with the lockdowns, masks and all the bullshit in the world, I decided to turn to Christianity. What started out as some skepticism eventually snowballed into full-blown faith over the course of a year. I've made many more friends, became healthier, more sociable and in general more hopeful for my future.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

for me i see the traditional idea of god as an excuse people made long ago to explain stuff they did not understand. like how there are all those stories of caves being gates to hell from ancient tribes and stuff. if you look at stuff from their perspective a cave is fucking terrifying. i dont think im any closer to believing in god since my idea of god is something way more complex than all powerful old dude in the sky. i believe that we are all god. like think about it. we can create we can destroy along with all the other stuff god is supposed to do we can do that just not on as grand a scale.

but this is why i say we are all gods. the things we create might be nothing to us but to something smaller its as have the heavens themselves were moved. i believe this process continues over and over in larger and larger scales until you get to nothing. multiple people = multiple gods=multiple creations=multiple universes/realities there is no beginning and there is no end because the end only causes the beginning.

this is all very tinfoil hat insanity level nonsense but it makes sense to me. i could explain it in more detail but it takes forever. i will say though i do also believe in jesus and stuff like that i just think his teachings were edited over time to fit whoever was in power or the person who was writings ideals.