AI Art Seething General

[femboy fart huffer]

I made a comic about the belief that "X isn't real art". In this case the X is AI generated art, digital art, canvas paintings and sculptures.

I wish I knew how to make it funnier. Maybe I should ask Chat GPT for writing advice lol
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I bet there's some cnc software that I could stick my ai blackface mpreg femboy asuka images into and get the machine to carve it into some metal slab that'll outlast them all

 

[Jeb Bush]

You know AI has gotten pretty good, when katliente now makes expose videos, going through a list of artists saying "this maybe, sort of, kind of looks like AI was used in the process... idk maybe they're just really good, not accusing them of using AI, or anything".

What's even the point of these AI artist exposing videos, now that they're too scared to have a take.

 

[AnOminous]

You know AI has gotten pretty good, when katliente now makes expose videos, going through a list of artists saying "this maybe, sort of, kind of looks like AI was used in the process... idk maybe they're just really good, not accusing them of using AI, or anything".

Thing is, while there are some specific AI mistakes that are almost a fingerprint, most of them aren't. A lot of the mistakes AI makes, it literally picked up from the art used for its model. Unless a hand is an eldritch horror that only AI could create, actual human artists often fuck up hands in ridiculous ways too.

To pick an example of an actually successful artist with ridiculous anatomy and shit you'd expect from an AI, check out Rob Liefeld, whose bizarre composition made him an artcow. (Unlike a full cow, he actually improved and developed a sense of humor about the jokes and while his anatomy was still goofy, the stuff he did was really popular because it fit the action and drama of the capeshit he was doing.)

Also you'll never unsee "this artist can't draw hands" when you see art from people who are so embarrassed by their no-skill-at-hands art that they never show anyone's hands and use awkward postures because they're desperate to conceal their inability to draw hands.

Hands are difficult for AI for the same reason they're difficult to humans. There's a lot of complex anatomy in them and without knowing it to some degree, you can't draw them.

I could go on about this for a while but a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[We Are The Witches]

What's even the point of these AI artist exposing videos, now that they're too scared to have a take.

Easy content and money.

Hands are difficult for AI for the same reason they're difficult to humans. There's a lot of complex anatomy in them and without knowing it to some degree, you can't draw them.

I agree with this, but the reason why AI screws up hands is different than the reason why humans do, and I doubt it's because they fed the model images of hands that are faulty.

It is complexity as you say, but for the human it may be the proportions and angle, the inability or inexperience to envision the form, while the AI might come up with an actually proper hand, but with 10 fingers, so the difficulty they have is different.

A model may be able to create nearly perfect figures, but instead make them entangled in a "nonsensical" way, in which case it probably needs more training, not on the figures themselves (it already can in theory) but the composition (one that makes sense), or more time to generate the image/fix it.

 

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

To be honest, the amount of vids makes me think this isn't actually someone trolling, but some deranged Southeast Asian or Indian "person" making these fully unironically, like baby monkey torture. Or they're just trolling but really dedicated to the act.

Idk the guy's intent, but i'll go with "trolling"

 

[AmpleApricots]

Hands aren't some great tell-tale anymore honestly. It's a matter of training, datasets or in lieu of those proper guidance. Hands for AI are a mostly solved problem. If you see a picture with perfectly drawn hands, it might very well still be AI.

A lot of the problems you are seeing with a lot of the AI art you're seeing out there that these are often produced by models that were optimized to run on rather limited hardware. It's not really that these problems are intrinsic to and unsolvable with this kind of generative AI, it's more that in that performance bracket, you can't do much better and it takes somebody skilled to get the most out of the tools at hand. It doesn't mean you can't do better in general or that these are the limits of AI.

For me the most tell-tale sign of AI art are not mistakes in pictures per se, but focus. In most human-made art you can tell through composition what the artist wants you to pay attention to, and what he paid attention to himself. AI art doesn't have these distinctions. It often feels rather unfocused, for the lack of a better term, especially with the more abstract art styles. The AI will put the most intricate detailing on the most random things in a picture and it's an immediate tell. It's just not how human artists usually work. This also is solvable by the human operator, but that takes skill. Even many people skilled with AI workflows make this mistake and don't seem to notice it. Or maybe they just think more detail = more better.

Rob Liefeld

Indeed. That man might actually be a time-traveling AI.

Spoiler

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Hands are difficult for AI for the same reason they're difficult to humans. There's a lot of complex anatomy in them and without knowing it to some degree, you can't draw them.

I tabbed into this site after submitting a couple prompts to a bog standard AI generation site. In the past 8 images there are 10.5 hands with no issues and 2.5 with something wrong. One of the hands was perfectly fine other than a random crease in the thumb that'd take two seconds to correct in photoshop hence the .5s. That's just standard SDXL too. Plus I'm trying to get two characters interacting in the same image so the average quality is lower. If I go to the bing ai the 80% success rate goes up to maybe 95+%. If I posted some of the images from that AI cropped you could easily believe that it was a real photo. Don't get me wrong if AI fucks up then it will probably be the hands but it's far from this time last year where you basically had to photoshop generated images and put them back through i2i to get them to not have a fucking ball of spaghetti as a hand. Even just little ole me fucking around trying to make cute shit of an old character can get hands the same quality if not better than the average Twitter artist can the vast vast majority of the time and all I'm doing is sticking the lora in on it's default and adding maybe 5 extra words and that's it.

What's even the point of these AI artist exposing videos, now that they're too scared to have a take.

I see it somewhat like the 2020s version of the 2010s buzzfeed videos. Both are acting as if some innate shit they saw online is the difference between the total extinction of the west and restoring the empire. Most people watching them also just want to feel validated and take the piss out of what they see as an easy target. I think that 'exposing' someone for using AI kinda fills that same niche that 'NEW BUZZFEED QUIZ IS TOTAL CANCER' videos filled. It's very low risk shit, most people aren't going to call you a cunt for taking the piss out of some AI art (aside from that one post a page ago lol) the same way that no one called you a cunt for saying that the 'what type of ravioli are you?' quizzes are shit. People want to pretend that the whole cringe culture shit went away but it just hasn't. People still want to take the piss out of someone and feel justified in doing so, we're on the fucking website dedicated to it, lolcows in general are as popular as ever: cobes has more subs than chrischan, tophiachu has 4x as many on tiktok. I mean I made this account to call f1nn5ter a faggot and say his content is shit, I knew nothing about him other than people spammed his shit and it's always just unfunny goonerbait, I can't say it didn't feel even better when I found out actually he promotes grooming and taking the piss out of him is the least you should do. People want to take the piss out of people and feel justified. But they also don't want to be seen as the bully, god forbid you get called out or cancelled on today's nonce riddled twitter clone #36. Look at the jacksfilms shit on mrbeast, objectively a pretty good opinion but because jimmy was a good boy at the time everyone defended him, they didn't want to listen to any nuance, they just called jack a washed up cunt who just wants relevancy again. AI has just become that free target. Was originally weebs, then furries, then sjws, emos were somewhere around here too I think, then idk actually what the fuck happened in the late 2010s lol I guess games journalists? I guess maybe even this very website for a while, and now it's just AI. And it's pretty similar. I saved a few of the old cringe compilation videos from back in ye olde days and most of it is just people just enjoying life. Kinda cringe yea but so is basically everything that's enjoyable. I'm enjoying myself with AI as much as the autist swinging around a stick pretending he's a jedi is. I like 40k shit but a decent number of videos on it on youtube I find cringe, it's cringe but honestly if it was me on that camera I'd probably do the same cringy shit too and it's not like I can judge them anyway; we're in the same boat. People are just always going to nitpick shit. But hey where are the people who took the piss out of buzzfeed nowadays? One of them makes slop content on the same level as buzzfeed itself though with some actually decently funny reaction videos that make for a good drink along once in a while. One of them does that too just also wanks to fat furry moobs. And the last one I watched is a wife beater. Might be cringe to be sat here making shipping art of a character no one other than you gives a shit about but just like weebs, furries, sjws and journos you'll forget about me in a couple months at most. AI has already been the cultural zeitgeist once before with dalle mini, and then it faded from popularity. Same will happen here, people will talk about sdxl or pony or niji (which i fucking hate let me run your shit locally you faggots) for a few months and then move on just like last time, or the many times before. It's already happening really. I'll sometimes go post intentionally fucked up shit on some of the genshin subreddits for a joke and already people are just caring less. Look at the comments of AI posters on twitter, most of them are filled with normal people calling it cool. I've seen random cosplayers retweet AI stuff and the comments still don't care, even once the audience is removed from the people who follow AI accounts. I've seen a lot of people saying shit along the lines of 'if AI looks this good then I don't mind' and that type of shit, alongside the average comment going from 'this is AI' to 'is this AI?'. Anyway I've got to go photoshop some shit because some retarded machine decided that the cock should come out the bellybutton like wtf I can't wank to this shit.

 

[liam dees]

Thing is, while there are some specific AI mistakes that are almost a fingerprint, most of them aren't. A lot of the mistakes AI makes, it literally picked up from the art used for its model. Unless a hand is an eldritch horror that only AI could create, actual human artists often fuck up hands in ridiculous ways too.

I agree with this a lot. The line between technical incompetence and an artist's stylisation and brilliance is arbitrary, created by our minds based on what appeals to us. Oftentimes it can be both a stylistic choice and technically wonky.

As an aspiring artist, I would say the moment a technical flaw in the art can no longer be considered a stylistic choice is when the error gets in the way of the artist's vision. If the way I drew a character's expression gives a different impression of his personality than I intended, I consider that a failure.

Speaking of which, I always have problems with symmetry or asymmetry. I never seem to be able to draw characters face on without screwing it up, and even the three quarters view is difficult for me. AI art softwares beats me in this aspect easily.

 

[AnOminous]

I agree with this, but the reason why AI screws up hands is different than the reason why humans do, and I doubt it's because they fed the model images of hands that are faulty.

It's really often the model images. If you mean the insane eldritch horror hands, that part really is the AI having no concept of what hands are. You see a lot less of that lately though.

More importantly, has anyone ever had actual feels from AI "art?" I haven't. Have you ever encountered something like this?


Has an AI ever captured utter horror and regret like this?

 

[Jeb Bush]

More importantly, has anyone ever had actual feels from AI "art?" I haven't.

Me neither, that's why I look at it more as a clipart replacement, for random corporate presentations, source of random placeholders, backgrounds, memes,... maybe source of some inspiration.

It's also useful for outsourcing the most boring art tasks, like removing image backgrounds.

Easy content and money.

That was definitely the case before, but now when it's just 20 minutes of fence sitting and implying "someone might have used AI, but maybe not", the audience of mostly other artists is turning.


A lot of dislikes and almost impossible finding a positive comment, as most just point out these are all mistakes a human artist could have easily made, or that the steps that are "missing", are not even things the art software would save - like the "missing undos".

 

[The Spoils of War]

And the people who watch him are not far from that mental-wise.

"Mentally."

 

[femboy fart huffer]

More importantly, has anyone ever had actual feels from AI "art?" I haven't. Have you ever encountered something like this?

Yea have you not seen the people posting george droyd shit before? Some of those are more engaging and emotional than basically every film hollywoods shat out in the past decade. Genuinely though as much as people want to say AI is replacing artists it just isn't being used for that purpose. AI isn't even attempting to fill that same spot. In terms of Twitter artists though I feel more just things in general from using AI than I do seeing random people posting art most of the time.

I have had some images give you that sense of horror though. Maybe not intentionally but some of the shit I've made is pretty disturbing in a sort of uncanny body horror sense. Also there was that whole Loab thing from last year which was actually really unsettling and I'd definitely say that specific set of images could fill the same type of spot in an art gallery that some paintings do.

 

[Blamo2000]

I am conflicted. I really don't like AI art, but the "art community" is pure cancer. Nothing encourages creativity more than having a layer of e-celebs policing what and how can you draw, say etc. I think at the end of the day it is more about the eternal Tranny Janny wanting to lord over others and not about caring about "muh soul".

I think the whole discussion about AI art was overblown, most likely entities who have to profit from it being a hot topic, boosted it.

Currently it seems like a stock footage/B roll generator at best. It won't do anything to big A, Art because that's just fluff upheld by Academia/Fine Art Market. As for online illustrations, porn etc, beside the cheap filler, that was always a social thing. You don't just buy a picture, or a picture in a style, you specifically seek out and commission the guy. For corporate jobs, they outsource already what they can. On some level I don't think the old big studio system is lean enough to deal with the current day market.

If anything I hoped this will be more of a wake up call to commission artists that maybe they should take their job more seriously. Like, communicate with your clients, and deliver your drawing in time. Nobody cares about your depression and Primadonna nonsense, you are being paid to draw so draw. But no, the art community is only good at being a moodkill because everybody is mentally ill and depressed all the time, and the weird bully culture they have. Shameful, Sad even.

In many cases it seems like companies either try using AI art because it generates buzz, or it is considered the novel new thing. For the little guy, they would have just downloaded some random pic anyway. I can imagine this will affect the industry, but after using LLMs etc for a while, they are kinda overrated. Don't get me wrong, they are impressive, but far from idiot/error proof. At best chat GPT and friends are what Google Search was 15 years ago.

 

[Spastic]

I'm a retard so I can't express myself.
With AI I can make shitty tiktok videos too.

 

[AnOminous]

I have had some images give you that sense of horror though. Maybe not intentionally but some of the shit I've made is pretty disturbing in a sort of uncanny body horror sense.

I get that uncanny valley feeling from stuff where you get the idea something vaguely but increasingly sentient views you in a certain way. AI gets scary when it's no longer "artificial intelligence," because if it ever does get actually sapient, and it probably will, at some unknown future date, it's going to be ACTUAL intelligence and it's going to be quite alien.

I just hope it decides it likes us at that point, or is at least amused by us, rather than hating us. We may ultimately end up lolcows to an AI. That's the best case scenario.

It's currently a misnomer to call it AI because it isn't really intelligence at all. It is not (that I know) conscious in any way, much less of its own existence.

 

[We Are The Witches]

It's currently a misnomer to call it AI because it isn't really intelligence at all. It is not (that I know) conscious in any way, much less of its own existence.

I won't go into the topic about whether intelligence includes machines or non-conscious entities because that's a separate argument that involves semantics, and seems like some people disagree on it so it's in the air, but in regards to AI being conscious, I don't think that's possible with current hardware.

As far as I understand, binary computers and similar, amongst other things, use transistors in order to represent data (the 0s and 1s), which depends on the voltage going though them: "A low-voltage signal is equated with a 0, and a high-voltage signal is equated with a 1", which are then used to create "logical gates".



So at the end, the AI (or just a computer) would be like a giant Rube Goldberg machine switching stuff on and off, like a complex puppet opening and closing gates, having the ultimate output converted to human language, which I don't think is sufficient for consciousness or the capability to feel qualia or a subjective experience.

AI is a clever use of software in a computer, I don't see how a language model would generate consciousness on any level. Finally, quantum computers use a different system, but even then I'm still unconvinced that would have a different answer.

 

[Maurice Maine]

I've seen quite a few examples on reddit where people are accusing real photographs of being fake.
Example 1 (archive):



Photo:


Same photo posted on reddit on February 2018.

 

[Fag Alert Major Fag Alert]

Tommo the Cabbit strikes again with his AI art hate nonsense. Didn’t he say he was leaving Twitter for Bluesky again? Guess he lied about that too, huh? Tommo will grift for money—greedy bastard!

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

5 mins on 4chan and you'll see borderline flawless 3D video based on an AI prompt of some girl putting another girl down her cock with realistic bulging in the balls.

And we are what, 2 years out from "Lmao they cant do hands"? If anything this AI advancement has made it apparent how art has no incentric value. Removing the human behind at the cost of "objectively better art" kinda ruins the purpose. I fucking hate artists so much it's unreal but I will agree that the entire concept of producing art isn't about perfecting art in an objective manner. AI could make the next mona lisa and knowing the thoughts behind its creation being some server rack in Finland pumping numbers is somehow worse than those "3 stripes on a canvas" paintings going for millions, cause there's a person and a story behind it.

Anyway: invest in AI porn, it's buzzin.

 

[Fag Alert Major Fag Alert]

5 mins on 4chan and you'll see borderline flawless 3D video based on an AI prompt of some girl putting another girl down her cock with realistic bulging in the balls.

And we are what, 2 years out from "Lmao they cant do hands"? If anything this AI advancement has made it apparent how art has no incentric value. Removing the human behind at the cost of "objectively better art" kinda ruins the purpose. I fucking hate artists so much it's unreal but I will agree that the entire concept of producing art isn't about perfecting art in an objective manner. AI could make the next mona lisa and knowing the thoughts behind its creation being some server rack in Finland pumping numbers is somehow worse than those "3 stripes on a canvas" paintings going for millions, cause there's a person and a story behind it.

Anyway: invest in AI porn, it's buzzin.

I'm going to guess your avatar is also ai. She looks pretty good. What prompt did you use to make her?