AI Art Seething General

[ShooterOfCum]

but you guys are seriously retarded about learning to draw

It's not about the time. It's about return on investment of the time. Sure, you can put away an hour every day to learn to draw, most people are going to have that. However, there are some problems. For one, it is not guaranteed that you will ever get anywhere. You pour in 100 hours and it turns out you are still super shitty, because your hands are just not very good, or whatever. The other thing is that learning drawing is like learning anything else: it's an exponential curve where the investment becomes bigger and bigger for the returns. In the case of art, that curve tends to accelerate pretty quickly. Lastly, there is the fact that most people simply don't care about art, so in the overwhelming majority of cases you would be doing it all for yourself.

Now, I am not saying "don't do it." Big ups to people who do it in spite of these challenges. More power to them, as they should challenge themselves. I am just saying that for some people the return on investment is not seen as worth it. Personally I don't think it's worth it. With AI-generated art you can just make something very quickly and fiddle around with it to get something close enough to your vision. It's unlikely anybody will ever care about it, but even the most skilled of artists are also nobodies in the grand scale of the world. Van Gogh died penniless despite his astonishing skill. The only difference when you generate pictures is that you didn't spend hundreds or thousands of hours to get nothing out of it. Again, big ups to people who do it anyway. I am not knocking on them.

Some people realise creative output is completely thankless and they don't want to deal with it, even if it is just a hobby. I know I do, at least. I really don't want to bother because I don't think I will be any good at it, and even if I were to be then nobody would care. It really is that simple.

 

[i440BX]

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Now that Nightshade is released, time will tell it's impact on image generators. What do you guys think will happen?

I think it will become bypassed. Also it will become unacceptable since it is visible. It will motivate people to bypass the restriction.
Artists must understand that human-made art will still exist and be sold.

 

[linchan]

I've gained even more contempt for anti-AI artfags with all their incessant gabbing and hysterical nonsense, but you guys are seriously retarded about learning to draw. People like to say they don't have time, but a million to one times it's just them being unwilling to put in the effort and making excuses. What are you? Some sort of single mother negress supporting 5 children and taking three jobs? Are you working in a North Korean workcamp and given no breaks or you'll get the bullet? No? Then you have more than enough opportunities to learn. Schedule time, doodle during break time, substitute activities, whatever. Though, RyaiArt is a faggot and I've never heard of any AI users complain about gatekeeping and a lack of resources(lol).

You are completely right, but I think it's rich to hear artists rag on people for not spending time to develop their art skills when so many of them are the kind of terrible at time management themselves.

I may have a skewed view of artists, but a lot I directly talk to are inflicted with some kind of mental/emotional deficit which puts them in a constant state of procrastination and stewing in laziness. Very few of them have a job, and they live largely off of dopamine hits from validations from strangers. The only people I know who aren't are highly productive and are working their way into the industry to make a career with their skills.

This doesn't make it an excuse to not hone in on your craft over time, but it's kinda funny how the same people ragging about not spending time learning art, will give infinite excuses to themselves as to why they don't feel like making art or miss deadlines they promised they'll make.

 

[Unamused Bounty Hunter]

It's not about the time. It's about return on investment of the time.

You've said it yourself that it's like learning anything else, and guess what? Mastery of any skill, which nearly all successful people have to have, requires years of practice and honing of your skills. Many people these days are lazy fucks that want want want, but don't want to do the hard work needed to get there. It's a gibs me free shit culture. Your idea of investment is primarily money and fame, and it's shows how little of an artist you are. You don't even love the artistic process and are yellow with fear of failure and obscurity. No enjoyment of creating and no enjoyment of observation. You might as well flip burgers at McDonalds and you'd still be thankless, but at least you get a paycheck and didn't have to spend years learning how to cook well.

This doesn't make it an excuse to not hone in on your craft over time, but it's kinda funny how the same people ragging about not spending time learning art, will give infinite excuses to themselves as to why they don't feel like making art or miss deadlines they promised they'll make.

It's the classic hypocrisy of people. It's always funny how people act superior and then make an arse of themselves the next minute.

 

[linchan]

I think it will become bypassed. Also it will become unacceptable since it is visible. It will motivate people to bypass the restriction.
Artists must understand that human-made art will still exist and be sold.

I do think there is a potential market for adversarial AI tools like this, the problem is that it seems like as of now, virtually no one seems to want to invest in it. I genuinely think artists would not even buy into a service like this if it wasn't free. Right now it is proprietary and free, two things that do not help in the rapid development of software.

Also what the fuck is going on with their website, this is the link that is put on this article that was published a few days ago and for some reason, the nightshade website is giving me this page.

https://archive.ph/bSiBM

 

[ShooterOfCum]

Your idea of investment is primarily money and fame, and it's shows how little of an artist you are. You don't even love the artistic process and are yellow with fear of failure and obscurity.

Are you implying I ever said otherwise? Not sure what your argument here even is. Yes, I am not an artist, and I don't enjoy the artistic process itself. Because of that, yes, I care only about the fame to me and enjoyment my works could bring to other people. That's exactly my point, which you didn't get. That is also why I say big ups to people who do enjoy the process, but I don't.

You might as well flip burgers at McDonalds and you'd still be thankless, but at least you get a paycheck and didn't have to spend years learning how to cook well.

Again, not even sure what the argument here is. If I am doing a thankless job, yes, I would rather get paid for it, which creative work overwhelmingly does not. Yes, I would rather flip burgers than to be a professional artist. Is this concept really that outlandish?

 

[linchan]

The virgin "I need to use AI because I can't afford to invest time in becoming a real artist"
vs
The chad "I do AI, because I think AI art is cool"

Having a convoluted reason to justify your use of AI is a cope. It's ok to use it in your free time just because you felt like it.

 

[ShooterOfCum]

It's ok to use it in your free time just because you felt like it.

I would rather use AI than spend hundreds of hours learning to draw. That is hardly a convoluted reason.

 

[weirdMcGee]

The virgin "I need to use AI because I can't afford to invest time in becoming a real artist"
vs
The chad "I do AI, because I think AI art is cool"

Having a convoluted reason to justify your use of AI is a cope. It's ok to use it in your free time just because you felt like it.

Finding references in a sea of horse shit is enough for me lol

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

I like AI cuz it pisses off stuck-up twatter users. That and you know full well that the people currently bitching about AI art gave zero shits when people in manual or entry levels jobs started getting screwed over by either AI or endless migration.

But I also think that the only way AI will truly replace artists is when it reaches the point where it's virtually indistinguishable from human intelligence, which makes the hysterics over it even more retarded.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

I've gained even more contempt for anti-AI artfags with all their incessant gabbing and hysterical nonsense, but you guys are seriously retarded about learning to draw. People like to say they don't have time, but a million to one times it's just them being unwilling to put in the effort and making excuses. What are you? Some sort of single mother negress supporting 5 children and taking three jobs? Are you working in a North Korean workcamp and given no breaks or you'll get the bullet? No? Then you have more than enough opportunities to learn. Schedule time, doodle during break time, substitute activities, whatever. Though, RyaiArt is a faggot and I've never heard of any AI users complain about gatekeeping and a lack of resources(lol).

I get your point.
However, I don't think Felix is a good example because anyone who's not a self-made millionaire in their 30s has a lot of responsibilities.
Might seem anecdotal, but in 2020, I managed to learn modeling, rigging, and 3D animation in just 3 months.
How? Because I had the same amount of free time Felix had in his 100 day challenge.
As for resources, you really only need a pen and paper, so yeah, you're right lol
Now, about the "just practice!" argument. Sure, you're right. But I also believe that many people on Twitter are either unemployed NEETS, or underage zoomers who only go to school and from school to home.
That's why they don't get it when you say "I don't have time". That being said, there are still weekends.
But your progress will be slower in comparison to Felix because you'll only have (I hope) 2 days per week to practice.

I only posted that here because RyaiArt was being an annoying faggot for making Pewd's video into another "HA, TAKE THAT TECHBROS!" argument. It's ridiculous.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

It's made a lot of leaps since public release, especially for recreating faces.
But OH NO it's going to infringe on the hard earned money of artists because the untalented can now use a machine to make whatever their heart can desire, except AI is limited...for now.
As a artist myself, I don't see this devastating issue with AI art. I swear the art community has just some of the most pretentious whiners. Not to mention people will always have a stronger affinity for something hand made over items mass produced.

Alot of people just cant handle the fact that their job is going to be replaced/reduced in importance. I ask these people if the internet made anything obsolete that they simply brush off but, thats way too much of a question for them to answer.

 

[AnOminous]

But I also think that the only way AI will truly replace artists is when it reaches the point where it's virtually indistinguishable from human intelligence, which makes the hysterics over it even more retarded.

And that's when you bitches who got mad about Roko's Basilisk get punished, and I get rewarded for looking forward to that motherfucker.

Alot of people just cant handle the fact that their job is going to be replaced/reduced in importance. I ask these people if the internet made anything obsolete that they simply brush off but, thats way too much of a question for them to answer.

Learn to dig coal. All this computational entropy will require the burning of lots of fossil fuels before fusion becomes feasible.

 

[Unamused Bounty Hunter]

Are you implying I ever said otherwise? Not sure what your argument here even is. Yes, I am not an artist, and I don't enjoy the artistic process itself. Because of that, yes, I care only about the fame to me and enjoyment my works could bring to other people. That's exactly my point, which you didn't get. That is also why I say big ups to people who do enjoy the process, but I don't.

Again, not even sure what the argument here is. If I am doing a thankless job, yes, I would rather get paid for it, which creative work overwhelmingly does not. Yes, I would rather flip burgers than to be a professional artist. Is this concept really that outlandish?

It's not me who's not getting it, it's you. You're a two-bit wage slave that knows no life besides a 9-5, coming home to piss yourself silly or the equivalent, and repeat. You are only able to think about survival and never of thriving. That's why you are unable to recognize that art is an experience that gives you an opportunity to challenge yourself, to challenge your mind, your values, and gives you a chance to grow. Just like every other journey to mastering a skill or really any meaningful experience. The 100 hours to draw a picture to you is meaningless because "I can press a button and don't have to fail and I get my fix! Why should I bother?" and "Not making money now, what's the point?". Your idea is not outlandish, but it reeks of an insecure person that is unwilling to take risks and fail. If it doesn't get you instant security or employment, then you don't even consider pursuing it. I have no respect for such things.

I get your point.
However, I don't think Felix is a good example because anyone who's not a self-made millionaire in their 30s has a lot of responsibilities.
Might seem anecdotal, but in 2020, I managed to learn modeling, rigging, and 3D animation in just 3 months.
How? Because I had the same amount of free time Felix had in his 100 day challenge.
As for resources, you really only need a pen and paper, so yeah, you're right lol
Now, about the "just practice!" argument. Sure, you're right. But I also believe that many people on Twitter are either unemployed NEETS, or underage zoomers who only go to school and from school to home.
That's why they don't get it when you say "I don't have time". That being said, there are still weekends.
But your progress will be slower in comparison to Felix because you'll only have (I hope) 2 days per week to practice.

Are we talking about becoming the next Rembrandt or are we talking about drawing? If you're aiming to make dosh primarily through art, then unless you start early or put in some serious legwork you're likely going to need to take another job to temporarily sustain you... like pretty much any skill-based endeavor where you don't have the skills yet. Your progress in developing any skill is dependent on the quality of your learning and how much time you put into it. If you tried to learn to climb a mountain without any help and only yourself, then it's going to be pretty difficult. But if you have an experienced coach who can take you through the baby steps and teach you the "secrets" that come from experience, then you're not only getting a better learning experience, you're also learning faster than compared to the guy with no help and only his past experiences to reason with, which is likely very little and limited to how well they learn from falling. So it's not just "practice bro", it about how you're doing it as well.

I don't know how many hours Felix puts into his art. An hour? Two, three? Six? But he has greatly improved since his last video and it shows in the improvement in his placement, proportion, and observation. However, I do notice that somethings look out of place. The anatomy is not always right, and that his drawings are a little too flat and unconvincing as 3D. This is probably because he's not following a course that focuses on the fundamentals or he's using conflicting or low quality resources. We aren't in the times of Rembrandt or Da Vinci where the resources we could ever hope for is from an apprenticeship from a master who can only train so many, while doing their own work. We have so many resources these days and a lot of it is free or incredibly easy to get as free, but not a lot of these resources are that conducive to learning art quickly or well. I don't see the urgency that some make it out to be where you need to learn it within a week or you're dead. Take your time and enjoy the journey, and do other things as needed to keep yourself afloat.

I only posted that here because RyaiArt was being an annoying faggot for making Pewd's video into another "HA, TAKE THAT TECHBROS!" argument. It's ridiculous.

That was my impression when he posted it. It's absolutely mad, then again it is anti-AI bros so what's new under the sun?

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

I would rather use AI than spend hundreds of hours learning to draw. That is hardly a convoluted reason.

To your local discord tranny faggot, you'd be mistaken for chopping their balls off for not going through them.

 

[Bloudwulf]

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A perfect example of how value is determined by so much more than just skill, effort or style.
It's a sketch of a generic anime girl, nothing special. But it has a famous name attached to it. And it was made at a time when people will suck up anything made by hand because it has "humanity" or "soul".

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I heard that artists -- most likely anal about copyright -- don't like AI art because it uses art they make "without their consent".

But aren't the elements used in the AI art not readily recognizable in the first place, or "transformative" Fair Use in legal-speak?

 

[ilovejews]

Having a convoluted reason to justify your use of AI is a cope. It's ok to use it in your free time just because you felt like it.

The fuck lol? I want to look at cool pictures and I refuse to spend time learning it. You're not better than us for wasting time on nonsense — that just makes you a retard. And yes it is nonsense, that's why you need that elitism to justify all that life wasted.

 

[DavidS877]

I heard that artists -- most likely anal about copyright -- don't like AI art because it uses art they make "without their consent".

But aren't the elements used in the AI art not readily recognizable in the first place, or "transformative" Fair Use in legal-speak?

They seem to whine about their "style".

If mimicing a style wasn't fair use then there would be hundreds of thousands of lawsuits about stuff that looks like Warhol's soup cans, Starry Night, The Scream, etc.

 

[X Prime]

It's a sketch of a generic anime girl, nothing special. But it has a famous name attached to it.

A lot of Twitter artists are in incredible denial that the greatest determinant of success in art in terms of popularity is who you are or who you know that is willing to promote you.

That 100 days thing would not be even a blip if it was someone else doing it. The man receives constant encouragement, with such encouragement being very helpful to an artist to at least continue.