AI Art Seething General

This video doesn't contain any AI art, or seething, but it brings up an interesting and somewhat obscure law: The Right of Publicity.

This will most likely not apply to 99% of the data scraped, or AI outputs, but if all the copyright copes fail - I assume this could be used to protect some art, that is so tied to the artist, using an AI version of it would mislead the general public, into assuming the artist was involved/endorsed the thing.

It might sound like bullshit, but this law was used against what would otherwise be fair use in the past and the courts did sometimes pick it over fair use, especially when the use of the fair use thing was commercial, for example in White v. Samsung Electronics America, Inc.
 
an artist who makes Western money
"the yabbit" on artists:

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"Pippa's Unusual Obsession: What Does She Love About Indonesian Artists?" - Azehara Ch

tl;dw: In her experience, Indonesians are good (at business), American artists suck, Japanese artists are hit-or-miss.
 
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Back to Xitter AI art drama of the week. This time AI has come for the Pokymen drawing contest. :medallion:

It's apparently an annual thing, organised by the company making those cards, where artists can submit up to 3 card designs, across that years few selected Pokemon.

Top 300 gets to be on a website, some win money and the winner gets to have their design, used for a real card for the game.

Rules never specified, if AI can be used and a small percentage of the AI entities, have made it onto the top 300 website. This obviously made many spectators and participants angry, but the Japanese (at least so far), refuse to give a shit.

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^Pic from Sonichu: The Animated Series



Unlike similar AI art dramas, surrounding big companies and/or art contests, this time ther's also a few people, loudly supporting the AI entries.


I just realized, the person I used here, as an example of AI entries supporters, has been attacked by Clappedseal - the lolcow responsible for some of the "furries are an oppressed social group" videos.

 
Seriously, if AI art is your competition, you're the bottom of the barrel and you deserve to lose your "job" as an "artist".
Artists may claim that people are "entitled" if they want less copyright restrictions, or paying less for art. The reality is that artists can easily want excess copyright BS, and charging way too much for pictures themselves they think of as physical property.

No wonder a number of artists don't like AI art.
 
I asked a mentor, currently working in the public sector, about a particularly perplexing exchange that I had witnessed.
Me: Serious question: do people actually believe stories that are so transparently stupid, or is it mostly an elaborate bit (that is, there is at least a voice of moderate loudness expressing doubt internally) in a sad attempt to get money from AI grifters?
Them: I shall answer this as politically as I can... there are those that have drunk the kool-aid. There are those that have not. And then there are those are that are trying to mix up as much kool-aid as possible. I shall let you decide who sits in which basket.
I was reading an article last week, and a little survey popped up at the bottom of it. It was for security executives, but on a whim I clicked through quickly to see what the questions were.
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There you have it - what are you most interested in, dear leader? Artificial intelligence, the blockchain, or quantum computing? They know exactly what their target market is - people who have been given power of other people's money because they've learned how to smile at everything, and know that you can print money by hitching yourself to the next speculative bandwagon.

I've gotten extremely sick of AI, which is fucking hilarious considering my username, but anything that isn't news, anime girls or local AI just sickens me.
At home, I get fucked by Nvidia, Intel and Microsoft doing AI garbage crippling both the software and hardware that I use or plan to use.
At work, corporate has been trying to get everyone to use their "oh-so-super-mega-hyper-cool-shiny" AI gen, which it's just a text parser plugin which sends data to a chatGPT endpoint, its extremely shit, even worse than just using it yourself through web. Nobody asked for it, nobody wants it, nobody uses it, yet for some reason they somehow spawned it out of thin air along with IDE plugins and a bunch of management people which are just tardwranglers who have spent their last nine months writing emails, creating events or making forms that no one participates in, then sending some more emails some time later about how this or that got cancelled due to the lack of participation.

Just leave me be, God damn.
 
It's the latest thing, like how everything was nuclear powered in the 50s. Once the limitations become well known, the hype will die down and it will just be used for what it was always designed for: speeding up computer programming and CGI work to reduce outsourcing costs.
 
If you are a digital artist who used any software to do your work, your work is probably already reliant on the work of some nerd who doesn't know how to draw a straight line and cares about color theory but can code well and owns the latest high tech to begin with.
This is absolutely correct and is at the heart of digital artist hypocrisy.

How in God's holy name is using AI to generate a grassy field more of a problem than using, say, a grass brush and going over a digital canvas?

The answer really is that the second thing still allows for some degree of gatekeeping by "creatives."
 
How in God's holy name is using AI to generate a grassy field more of a problem than using, say, a grass brush and going over a digital canvas?
Because using a brush over canvas or a pen over screen requires muscle movement, which registers it as "work" to these people. On average artists tend be politically """left"""-leaning, so they believe in the labour theory of value.
 
Because using a brush over canvas or a pen over screen requires muscle movement, which registers it as "work" to these people. On average artists tend be politically """left"""-leaning, so they believe in the labour theory of value.
Many artists on both sides agree, that part of what makes art art, is deliberate micro level decisions, or as Sven Stoffels puts it, in his definition of what is art:

"Macro level decisions: These are overarching choices an artist makes, such as the theme of a painting, the plot of a story, or the overall concept of a sculpture. In filmmaking this involves writing the script.

Micro level decisions: these are the finer, detailed decisions an artist makes during the creation process. It includes the individual brush strokes in a painting, the little corrections made, specific words used in a story, or subtle adjustments made on a film set, or even choices made by actors. Each micro-decision contributes to the overall impact and expression of the piece, and nothing is ever set in stone."

The full definition:
(the text is in the video description)

Obviously in this particular example, someone is probably just dragging the grass brush around the Photoshop canvas and not placing every bit of the grass down, with some higher artistic vision in mind. More advanced examples are one of the reasons, why I don't see most AI images as art, but don't have any problems with people using AI.

I use it for things myself, for memes, bullshit illustrations and most of all, things like image cropping (especially at work). I seriously doubt anyone doing any graphics, misses spending hours on manual cropping and then arguing if the hair is cropped too much, or not enough.
 
Micro-level, god I hate artists. It's so fucking corporate now that they even have to write thesis papers on nonsense. In spite of my previous stances about what I consider art and not art when it comes to digital vs traditional I'm appending my opinion. Art exists in the mind of those who look at it. It's like a writer teacher told me, I can be the flowery prose writer, but if you fail to build an image in the imagination of the reader I have not succeeded. Nothing an artist can create will compare to the audience's imagination; digital art can do that, but it is rare.
 
This will most likely not apply to 99% of the data scraped, or AI outputs, but if all the copyright copes fail - I assume this could be used to protect some art, that is so tied to the artist, using an AI version of it would mislead the general public, into assuming the artist was involved/endorsed the thing.
Pajeets are already copying the names of popular artists and posting random AI nonsense to Twitter. If the Pajeets learned about LoRAs and started copying the artist's style that would definitely cross over into what the fuck territory and the artists would have a point.
 
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What's that involve?
It's the Marxist view that the value of any commodity, is equal to the sum total of all the labor, that went into producing it.

When it comes to art, it's usually used to make people think some bullshit art has value, because it took days to put it together, through some tedious processes.
 
It's the Marxist view that the value of any commodity, is equal to the sum total of all the labor, that went into producing it.
Does that also include charging per the number of hours it took to make something for commissions?

In any case, thinking art itself always has a certain monetary value from how much work went into it does sound delusional.
 
It's the Marxist view that the value of any commodity, is equal to the sum total of all the labor, that went into producing it.

When it comes to art, it's usually used to make people think some bullshit art has value, because it took days to put it together, through some tedious processes.

Technically speaking, they only provided labor for the first copy of the work. If someone were to make a digital copy, the artist would not exhaust any more value for every copy someone makes of their work.

It is true that it took an arduous amount of time to make the first copy of art, but that sure isn't the case whenever a website provides an image copy on the demand of the user.
 
Does that also include charging per the number of hours it took to make something for commissions?
I have only seen that in cases, where an employer, pays an artist they employ (rather than commission), an hourly wage, the same as any other job would.

Commissions are rarely, if ever, priced entirely based on how long they take - usually the price and deadline are negotiated upfront and the precise number of hours the process takes, doesn't matter to the commissioner.

Even in the first scenario, that value would be more tied to the work provided, than the value of any specific end product the artist produced.
 
If someone were to make a digital copy, the artist would not exhaust any more value for every copy someone makes of their work.
Even in the first scenario, that value would be more tied to the work provided, than the value of any specific end product the artist produced.
seems wannabe commies sure believe in a lot of "magic"
  • "copying intangible content can somehow be magically just like physical theft"
  • "culture itself can be magically appropriated just by copying (only if white)"
  • "someone can magically become the opposite gender (or of 100+) by identifying"
  • "being white or male magically makes one a vile oppressor with evil privilege"
  • "AI art is bad because it magically removes magical value from the time spent"
 
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seems wannabe commies sure believe in a lot of "magic"
  • copying "content" itself can somehow magically be just like physical "theft"
  • "culture" itself can be magically "appropriated" via copying (only if white)
  • males can magically become women (or 100+ "genders") merely by "identifying"
  • being white or male magically makes one an "oppressor" with vile "privilege"
  • AI art is bad because such magically removes a magical value from time spent
That explains why they engaged in witchcraft when opposing Donald Trump or pro-life activism.
 
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