AI Art Seething General

[Mr.Miyagi]

I just wanted to post this. The average FA artist btw:

This seems particularly bizarre to post on FA, considering they have an explicit rule against machine-generated art. I could maybe understand if it were a "I won't be posting on my art on Twitter anymore, because I don't want to use it, since it's full of AI art I hate" or something, but this is just dumb. I guess it highlights the reason why these types of artists are so upset: the extrinsic reward of internet likes and asspats is more important than the intrinsic reward of making something, and they're afraid of losing that.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

this next chapter in society is getting crazy.

let me get this straight, the people who are against AI art are afraid that their works will be stolen and no longer original while the whole point of art is to find your own style and be inspired by other artists?

in addition, the people who are against AI art are saying that it'll completely eliminate the need to learn how to draw and is cheapening art by making it "easy to make".

what kind of idiocrasy is this?

sure, your art may have been used to train the AI but consider this, if you were to eliminate the AI entirely then you'd just be destroying art by making it exclusive and impossible to replicate. why gatekeep art? why gatekeep the only source of culture left. all because you're worried about skynet?

plus AI art is still art itself, those prompts may create art inspired by others but you're still in control of what the AI can output plus you can take said work and as long as you don't have nefairious purposes, reconstitute it in a way that's as original as those who can actually draw and paint and stuff.

and what about those who can't paint and draw and stuff? elitism is crazy af nowadays.

anyways, I believe this is stupid but as long as people put energy into this on Twitter and Reddit, who am I to complain?

Agreed, what really is starting to grind my gears is the call for government intervention through regulation. How much more dystopic can we get? Artist I once held as bastions of free speech, it isn't anymore and won't recover if governments step in. Let's just look at one aspect of the negative arguments, derivative works. Not just Fan Art would get slammed, but, it could open things up to copyright/patent the nebulous "artist style". Not the works itself but the style. Jackson Polluck estate sues all drip paint artists for profiting on a copyrighted style; is an example.

 

[Sergeant Major Buzzkill]

r/DefendingAIArt is at about 6.5k subs now and still growing.

Real late, buuuuttt…

Ooh, boy, the anti-AI fags are gonna be so damn mad!

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

https://twitter.com/TheCartelDel/status/1614447095678906368

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Class Action Filed Against Stability AI, Midjourney, and DeviantArt for DMCA Violations, Right of Publicity Violations, Unlawful Competition, Breach of TOS

/PRNewswire/ -- Stability AI Ltd.; Stability AI, Inc.; Midjourney Inc.; and DeviantArt, Inc. have created products that infringe the rights of artists and...

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SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 14, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Stability AI Ltd.; Stability AI, Inc.; Midjourney Inc.; and DeviantArt, Inc. have created products that infringe the rights of artists and other creative individuals under the guise of alleged "artificial intelligence." The Joseph Saveri Law Firm, LLP—a leading class action firm with offices in California and New York—along with Matthew Butterick, and Lockridge, Grindal, Nauen P.L.L.P. have filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California on behalf of a class of plaintiffs seeking compensation for damages caused by Stability AI, DeviantArt, and Midjourney, and an injunction to prevent future harms. The lawsuit alleges direct copyright infringement, vicarious copyright infringement related to forgeries, violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), violation of class members' rights of publicity, breach of contract related to the DeviantArt Terms of Service, and various violations of California's unfair competition laws.

As alleged in the Complaint, Stable Diffusion is an artificial intelligence product used by Stability AI, DeviantArt, and Midjourney in their AI image products. It was trained on billions of copyrighted images contained in the LAION-5B dataset, which were downloaded and used without compensation or consent from the artists. If Stable Diffusion and similar products are allowed to continue to operate as they do now, the foreseeable result is they will replace the very artists whose stolen works power these AI products with whom they are competing. AI image products are not just an infringement of artists' rights; whether they aim to or not, these products will eliminate "artist" as a viable career path. In addition to obtaining redress for the wrongful conduct, this lawsuit seeks to prevent that outcome and ensure these products follow the same rules as any other new technology that involves the use of massive amounts of intellectual property. If streaming music can be accomplished within the law, so can AI products.

"As burgeoning technology continues to change every aspect of the modern world, it's critical that we recognize and protect the rights of artists against unlawful theft and fraud," said Joseph Saveri, founder of the Joseph Saveri Law Firm, LLP. He continued, "This case represents a larger fight for preserving ownership rights for all artists and other creators."



"AI needs to be fair and ethical for everyone," said lawyer/programmer Matthew Butterick. "But Stability AI, Midjourney, and DeviantArt are appropriating the work of thousands of artists with no consent, no credit, and no compensation. As a lawyer who is also a longtime member of the visual-arts community, it's a pleasure to stand up on behalf of fellow artists and continue this essential conversation about how we the people want AI to coexist with human culture and creativity."

Since its founding in 2000, DeviantArt had grown to be a haven for artists of all stripes. A core aspect of participating in the DeviantArt community for artists is the practice of sharing digital images of their artwork. Today, DeviantArt bills itself as "the world's largest art community," hosting millions of images. At the same time, it offers DreamUp, a product that unlawfully infringes on the rights of its own art community. To add insult to injury, a large portion of the training data for Stable Diffusion—which powers DreamUp—was made up of images scraped from DeviantArt without permission from the artists that posted them.

For more information, please see our case page www.saverilawfirm.com/ai-art-generators-copyright-litigation and our case website stablediffusionlitigation.com.

ABOUT THE FIRMS

The Joseph Saveri Law Firm is one of the country's most acclaimed, successful boutique firms, specializing in antitrust, class actions, and complex litigation on behalf of national and international consumers, purchasers, and employees across diverse industries. For further information on our practice and accomplishments on behalf of our clients, please visit www.saverilawfirm.com or call us at (415) 423-1799.

Lockridge Grindal Nauen P.L.L.P. has served clients throughout the Midwest and in Washington, D.C. for more than 40 years. It has extensive experience in local, state, and federal government relations as well as antitrust, business, campaign finance, consumer, data breach, governmental, health care, employment, environmental, ERISA, intellectual property, real estate, securities, and tribal law litigation. For further information, please visit https://www.locklaw.com/.

ABOUT MATTHEW BUTTERICK

Matthew Butterick is a lawyer, programmer, designer, and writer. He has been professionally involved with open-source software since 1998. His books Typography for Lawyers (typographyforlawyers.com) and Practical Typography (practicaltypography.com) are relied on daily by lawyers and writers worldwide. For more information, please visit https://matthewbutterick.com.

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Seems that a big lawsuit is coming for AI art.

I unironically hope the people suing lose. The tightening of copyright laws have lead to a massive dearth of creative freedoms in the US. You can't even sample decades-old music for a rap album (which I'd argue is an inherently transformative action) without "infringing" upon copyright.

The amount of people who are willing to accept received wisdoms on technologies they barely even understand ("AI art is theft", for example), and are willing to accept naked self-interest being dressed up as "virtue" as long as it pertains to "artists" is truly staggering.

@Null is this worth being featured? This follows (more or less) exactly what you predicted would happen to AI art: desperate Twitter users shacking up with lawyers in order to destroy something that would otherwise be good for many because "original drawings do not steal".

 

[Meowschwitz]

The lawsuit is largely irrelevant. The genie is out of the bottle. These things are open source, and the only way to stop models being trained is to remove all images from the internet.

 

[The Grimace]

The lawsuit is largely irrelevant. The genie is out of the bottle. These things are open source, and the only way to stop models being trained is to remove all images from the internet.

I hope you're right. If copyright jews actually managed to get it banned that'd be fucked.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

AI art is pretty clearly transformative. Even if it worked like they say in that its taking little bits of thousands of other people's pictures and spitting out a derivative work, that's still transformative since it's nothing like the original work. It's one thing to compare it with sampling in music, but the individual pieces of any given art that contributed in any way to the model that produced the image are so incredibly small that there's no comparison with someone slapping a 5-6 second sample of another song. To me at least this lawsuit seems ridiculous and is just begging to be slapped down.

But unfortunately, just like judges didn't know or care about the context of sampling in music 20-30 years ago when they made some stupid rulings, my faith is not in judges to understand technology and the distinction. It's disturbing too, since this could be used as a stepstone to copyrighting a style. Imagine if you could be sued for being influenced by them. "Sorry, your original work was influenced by Star Wars, you are now being sued for 6 gorillion dollars." That's the stuff Disney lawyers dream of.

 

[AnOminous]

But unfortunately, just like judges didn't know or care about the context of sampling in music 20-30 years ago when they made some stupid rulings, my faith is not in judges to understand technology and the distinction.

A major difference is the samples were actually identical, if small parts of an original work. For instance, lots of people ripped off Phil Collins's iconic gated reverb drum sound by sampling it, and it was practically a trademark of his work. I think anything that short shouldn't be subject to copyright, but it isn't completely insane.

In these works, not a single pixel of any individual work is showing up in the derivative work. I don't see how you get more transformative.

 

[Anti pedo]

I FINALLY found an ai video that is NOT full of fearmonger i just gonna post it here its kinda fresh to see a neutral perspective in this ai art drama

AI Has Taken Over the Art World: Exploring a Balanced Perspective

Artists are threatened by The AI ART Takeover Why Everyone Sucks hereIf you’ve spent anytime anywhere during this year of 2022. You would have noticed that w...

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[DJ10]

Man, I was really excited for the point when AI generators would become even this advanced. It's just devolved into the usual factionalism and arguing about shit that doesn't matter, half the debate is semantics for fucks sake. Why is Twitter like this? This is pointless even for their standards. Back in my day it's just academics who argued about dumb shit, now everyone's able to do it.

 

[Golfing on the Moon 1971]

Given the prevalence of photoshopped art, I don't see the big deal about AI generated art. They're functionally the same thing: you're using tools to manipulate several different images together. The reason why "AI art" is a phenomena now is because modern artists are awful. Colleges do not teach people how to be good artists. You can graduate with a degree in art, and still have never produced art that people enjoy. Good artists are very rare and it is very difficult to find them, which is why they are expensive to contract. Good artists might be booked for months, so if you have a time sensitive project that needs to get shipped then waiting for painted art might not be an option. That's why the book industry shifted to using photoshopped book covers. The book industry has accepted that it is okay to not have art. The only real moral quandary might be people not being paid for their art that was used to train an AI.

 

[Troon Destroyer]

I came here to say that almost every person who rages and soyfaces about AI art and calls for Big Daddy Gov to step in and ban it entirely is from BLM|ACAB|they/them/zey/zem|fuck capitalism and fuck every authority|fully automated luxury gay space anarcho-communism crowd and it will never stop being weird and absolutely funny.

 

[Monkey Pink]

DefendingAIArt is le hate group now:

 

[Scavenger]

Man, I was really excited for the point when AI generators would become even this advanced. It's just devolved into the usual factionalism and arguing about shit that doesn't matter, half the debate is semantics for fucks sake. Why is Twitter like this? This is pointless even for their standards. Back in my day it's just academics who argued about dumb shit, now everyone's able to do it.

Its because of tumblrs exodus. The only people who posted art on twitter are we're japanese artists or actual good ones.
Now they became mashed together in some giant spergfest.

 

[AnOminous]

DefendingAIArt is le hate group now:
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All redditors should be gassed. Not in Minecraft. In reality.

 

[Freezer Rat]

Even, if by some miracle, they do manage to win it won't matter. Some company will pop up somewhere that US courts cant touch and do the same thing, and it will be back to square one. They've already lost the war, they're just to stupid and stubborn to figure it out.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Even, if by some miracle, they do manage to win it won't matter. Some company will pop up somewhere that US courts cant touch and do the same thing, and it will be back to square one. They've already lost the war, they're just to stupid and stubborn to figure it out.

It's the core problem with banning any disruptive technology--if it isn't totally banned globally, then any country who adopts it will get an advantage. In this case, that country will be a pioneer in AI art which everyone from individuals and studios will use in their productions. And god forbid if it ever becomes AI animation, they'll be fucking Vietnam/Philippines-tier (or South Korea in the 00s) in terms of where companies outsource their shit to.

 

[mindlessobserver]

THEY FILED THE LAWSUIT LMAO
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r/StableDiffusion - Class Action Lawsuit filed against Stable Diffusion and Midjourney.

2,021 votes and 1,238 comments so far on Reddit

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I hope Karla Ortiz and Sarah Andersen lose a fuckton of money over this and get absolutely nothing accomplished.

I have no idea who Kelly McKernan even IS.

I'm gonna have to look into this cuz it seems to be an absolute gold mine of lol suit content. The basic gist they have is AI art infringes on their copyright because the AI uses billions of images to create the picture.

The problem is that this is literally, by definition, fair use derivative work. Hoes mad, and hoes gonna lose. Should be fun to watch though

 

[Markass the Worst]

A they/them claims to be part of the class action suit.


source (a)

 

[Still Exceptional]

All the seething from self important, overpaid assholes makes me laugh. AI art is a tool like any other, and the output of the tool depends on user input and result selection.

Not my fault if the art I've generated with AI in 30 seconds looks so fucking good I never want to pay you a goddamn dime for your half assed, overpriced services again.

Stay mad.