AI Art Seething General

The amount of salt in the comments could cover Carthage thrice over. It's wonderful. I don't think I spotted a single top-level reply that was unabashedly in support of the video or Shadiversity. Talk about not playing to your audience.
There's a video out there of Shadiversity talking to his brother Jazza, proudly telling him his high school level scribles are at a professional level, while Jazza is tactifully trying to tell him his art isn't close to that, while he looks like he's dying inside.
 
I liked the video, but it really doesn't suit a HEMA channel.
It's still pretty obnoxious to mention AI Art regardless of your position if you are not a tech channel or an art channel. Also approaching it "artistically" is worse than approaching it in a "matter of fact" way. You really can't approach this topic on the pro side, emotionally. This video presents their case of the use of AI art in a way that was better received.
 
There's a video out there of Shadiversity talking to his brother Jazza, proudly telling him his high school level scribles are at a professional level, while Jazza is tactifully trying to tell him his art isn't close to that, while he looks like he's dying inside.
God, I can only imagine. When he was cycling through his art in the video, I kept expecting it to show this dramatic improvement, like from middle-school sketches to college-aged studies of anatomy and proportion and poses, but it just capped out at the "high schooler who watched too much anime" style and stuck there. Any of the comments dunking on him aggrandizing himself as a super-pro artist seem (to a limited observer like me) pretty spot on. I'm not really familiar with the guy and his family, but there does seem to be an ego.
I liked the video, but it really doesn't suit a HEMA channel.
His wife is the only woman he said he ever dated, so no wonder he models his generated pieces on her face
The bit at the start with him talking about how much he adores his wife and how he views her in a way nobody else does was kind of cute, but man, I dunno if I'd want my spouse to be saying stuff like that on a youtube video for that many subscribers. Imaging subscribing to a guy because you like hearing about swords and getting that, though, that's funny.
 
All artists learned from observing and mirroring art the way AI does.
Exactly. AI existing doesn’t stop you from being able to learn how to draw.

Artists don't necessarily need to make better looking art than a computer, now or in the future. If they care about being noticed, they need to be more interesting and compelling. They need to be salesmen and hustlers. There have always been great but starving artists.

This as well. All AI does is disincentivize learning how to draw for fame and attention. Good ideas and good marketing are still just that.

(Until you can buy an AI marketing suite? Food for thought.)
 
If you know more about him, don't refrain. Contributions from viewers like you are what eventually lead to people getting their own threads
He's basically a high-functioning lolcow.
Shad has a big happy family and he is successful doing what he loves, but sometimes his lack of self awareness can be ridiculous.
 
He's basically a high-functioning lolcow.
Shad has a big happy family and he is successful doing what he loves, but sometimes his lack of self awareness can be ridiculous.
He's based in that sense but he doesn't do the whole alt-light critical drinker anti feminist shit very well.
He had a giant spergout because of the Mario movie and screeched how woke it is (there is no wokeness at all).
There's a little wokeness. Peach is a hyper competent girlboss who pretty much solos the whole adventure while Mario is a bit of a bumbling idiot and Luigi is treated as the damsel in distress. Peach would have basically been the hero if not for the last minute swerve into making Luigi and Mario beat Bowser solo to save Brooklyn, and I'm absolutely confident there is a cut of the script somewhere that has Peach join them for that fight.
 
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It took Shad four hours for this?! The original AI version looks 'better' (ignoring the two earths), cause at least her anime style head fits the proportions. Just ask your wife to dress up as Supergirl mate. Shad loves to talk about importance of meritocracy and gatekeeping to stop sjw's from shitting up things he likes, but cries about 'elitism' and gatekeeping when artists tell him his AI art is shit.

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Shad: 'I'm at a professional standard, you know that!'
Jazza: '....I'm...I respectfully disagree.'

Taken from this response to Shads original video. Shad's art, while amateurish showed he has some skill, and if he kept at it he would have gotten better, maybe even at the same level as Jazza! But gave up too soon (I think in one video he says he doesn't 'enjoy' drawing). As I said before, I have nothing against AI art and people who use it (shit-posting using AI art is very fun!), and actual artists aren't gonna stop making art, and the smart ones will use AI to make some processes faster. But AI Artbros, don't cry when someone points out that you just commissioned a computer to draw your big titty anime waifu for free.
We need to bump that number up another 8%.
 
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How unhinged has to be someone to imply the use of AI tools is a some kind of crime?
And "muh objectification/sexualization" complaints are nothing but pure virtue-signalling as nobody actually cares about it.
I personally follow enough female artists to know this has always been utter horseshit too.
 
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This reminds me of my sociology class, people making claims about society based primarily on assumption. I personally know two women who use generative ai, with two more I believe may but can't be certain. It's funny so often the "good boys" are sexist too just in different ways.

How unhinged has to be someone to imply the use of AI tools is a some kind of crime?
And "muh objectification/sexualization" complaints are nothing but pure virtue-signalling as nobody actually cares about it.
I personally follow enough female artists to know this has always been utter horseshit too.

I think that's a big part of why he asks the question, because he can use it to push the assumption that ai is default evil.
 
I only just realised that the people who develop the software (in general) are people who want their creation (their code) to be in as many things as possible and to contribute to a forward progression of computing, totally undisturbed by the idea that they may be credited simply as one of tens of thousands of names on a supply chain list of open source software that go into making a modern program.

And artists (in general) do not feel that way.
 
I only just realised that the people who develop the software (in general) are people who want their creation (their code) to be in as many things as possible and to contribute to a forward progression of computing, totally undisturbed by the idea that they may be credited simply as one of tens of thousands of names on a supply chain list of open source software that go into making a modern program.

And artists (in general) do not feel that way.
The closest creative equivalent of this is having an IP being public domain/Creative Commons/copyleft, and having any artist, or writer do anything with the world, character, or pre-existing stories. The difference between software development and the creative field is that the industry for software development actively promotes open-source software as both independent programmers and billion-dollar tech companies are very reliant on these tools. The idea is that people produce proprietary tools using these open-source tools so it's a system still based on profit and not on altruism. Meanwhile, IP's and certification of authenticity are highly valued, and no entertainment giant will willingly make their properties in the public domain if it's massive. It's very rare for any known IP made within the last century to enter the public domain, the most well-known public domain property I can think of is Winnie the Pooh which was first publicized in 1924. It's easy to see how the market goes why making IP's public domain isn't something artists or writers are pushing for.

That being said, I don't think art or media thrives only because of IP laws. SCP is under the Creative Common's license, meaning anyone can make a profit from any ideas made with the content inside the website, including video games or short films. As much as people lament the quality of the content of the website recently, I think a lot of amazing creative projects spawned because of its type of licensing. Really I think creativity actually thrives in an environment in which creators do not care, or do not need to worry about licensing issues.

Culturally though, I think the population of writers and artists are not the type of people who see a benefit in AI. Seems like the community of people here are not the kind of people who generally think they can lead their own company, if not demonize the prospect of profit-based incentives. At least a lot of Anti-AI artists come off like that because they seem adamant that the only form of employment that they can have is working under a major company, and relying on unions to negotiate their salary. Nothing wrong with that, but compare this to people in the tech field, where there is a sizable portion of people who constantly change jobs to keep a stable income, not much solidarity with fellow workers. Now that being said, there are plenty of artists who do job hopping regularly and doing well, but I always get the impression there are many artists who do not have the confidence to market themselves and pursue business leadership roles. I see a lot of people wanting to be lead character designers, directors, head writers, etc, for major projects but I rarely see people who dream about wanting to make their own firm. They view forming their own independent studio as something, understandably, way beyond them. Meanwhile techbro startups are a dime a dozen.
 
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Lol "women aggrevated less easily", the guy has never dated a woman in his life. Also he immediately has the right reason only to choose to disregard it because it goes against his world view, and instead choose to go with emotional appeal to prove a tangential point which itself is an emotional appeal. You might as well argue tracing a real life image is wrong because some artists use it for cub porn.
 
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I only just realised that the people who develop the software (in general) are people who want their creation (their code) to be in as many things as possible and to contribute to a forward progression of computing, totally undisturbed by the idea that they may be credited simply as one of tens of thousands of names on a supply chain list of open source software that go into making a modern program.

And artists (in general) do not feel that way.
This is always something that annoys the fuck out of me.

If an artist wants to make a shitty video game, they are totally allowed to just go download some sort of premade engine like RenPy, throw together a dogshit visual novel or something, and they get praised for it because "well the art style is good". Zero code of their own, copy/pasting code from tutorials is completely acceptable, using ChatGPT to write code, etc. They're still a "game dev".

But when a programmer wants to make a video game and they do anything but hire an artist for all their assets, they are creative Hitler. Absolutely cannot use anything you didn't make/pay for, AI is strictly forbidden because it is "stealing", and god fucking forbid you ask for volunteers to work with you on your game because it is unacceptable to ask artists to work "for free" or "for exposure", even if it is only a fan game with no profits or something.

Even Steam will allow the former, and not the latter. They don't give a shit where your code comes from, but if there's a single even thought that you used AI art, your game is banned.

It's such a massive double standard. Programming/coding is expected to be free and open, but art is strictly locked down and only allowed if you are an "artist" yourself. "Just pick up the pen and learn lol", sure, as soon as you go pick up a Python tutorial.
 
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