AI Art Seething General

[Whatevermancer]

Undertale and OMORI would like to have a word with you

I don't know if you've heard, but they also appealed to normies. Especially Undertale.

Anyway, think we should get back to the point of the thread.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm all in favour of making AI art illegal under the caveat that video game developers will no longer be able to use game engines that does the job programmers used to do.

Let's just make art itself illegal. Kill all artists. Chokeslam an artist into the ground. Curbstomp artists. Douse artists in gasoline and set them on fire, then hit them with hammers while they're writhing in agony and burning to death. Shoot artists. Punch artists. Give artists icepick lobotomies. Poke artists' eyes out with a fork. Grab an artist's tongue and chop it off with an axe. Dump artists into septic ponds then pour in more shit and piss. Spray artists with sarin gas. Infect artists with AIDS (lmao too late they all already have it). Throw artists into meat grinders and wood chippers. Jihad on artists. Strap artists to rape racks and have giant mutant demons fuck them to death. Get rid of artists in every imaginable way. And for the very worst scumbag artists, force them to get an actual job.

 

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

Found this thing on Xitter. idk if the story's true but i don't think that's not how being hired to do ai image making works.

Spoiler: They have real low standards these days.

 

[Bloudwulf]

Don't modern blacksmiths now utilize various modern tools and machines to make their things and are "horse carriage operator" more of a tourism thing instead of something like a taxi for the olden times? But i'm not gonna lie, getting onto a ride in one of those horse carriages to get some authentic longsword forged by some blacksmith in his cool forge inside some european castle feels really awesome.

This is exactly why blacksmiths and horse drives are paid better now than in the past. Their items are no longer everyday necessities but novelties. Which is why they can charge more for them. Now this may cause their products to be more expensive than in the past, but on the other hand, they have to be worth it. If they drive out customers with high prices, nobody is obviously going to buy for them. But the customers won't go to a nearby cheaper competitor because there likely won't be any due to the products no longer being everyday necessities.

 

[Mega Black]

I like the idea that you can't use it even in private life like DnD home games. Artists showing their true authoritarian beliefs. You vill not use ze AI art for ze lizard ladies, you vill not use ze AI art for ze elves, you vill be shot for doing zo!

 

[Justwandering02]

I know this picture is somewhat old. But i found very ironic that artist are against AI art which is basically that

 

[Dynamite Bean]

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I know this picture is somewhat old. But i found very ironic that artist are against AI art which is basically that

That's what gets me the most, artists regularly bitch and moan about how annoying drawing is, how annoying dealing with clients is, how annoying fixing one mistake, ect is, but when something that could potentially make the process faster and less painful comes in, they suddenly hate it

 

[Justwandering02]

That's what gets me the most, artists regularly bitch and moan about how annoying drawing is, how annoying dealing with clients is, how annoying fixing one mistake, ect is, but when something that could potentially make the process faster and less painful comes in, they suddenly hate it

they hate it mainly because EVERYONE can use it

 

[TATE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!!]

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I know this picture is somewhat old. But i found very ironic that artist are against AI art which is basically that

That's what gets me the most, artists regularly bitch and moan about how annoying drawing is, how annoying dealing with clients is, how annoying fixing one mistake, ect is, but when something that could potentially make the process faster and less painful comes in, they suddenly hate it

These posts are on the mark so fucking hard.

I really hate most other artists. I really do.

I've cut off contact with a lot of other artist, even those I've known for over a decade, because I'm so tired of them bitching about AI art. They are the laziest, most entitled pieces of shit to ever grace my life yet this what they've been crying and moaning for all the time since I've known them.

You know what I have less respect for than someone using AI tools? The self-proclaimed professional artist who can't even fucking draw a straight line without their precious tablet and art program so they can repeatedly hit control-z everytime they make a mistake. I have an honest to god hate boner for a majority of digital arts and artists.

 

[Mega Black]

they suddenly hate it

They're worried about losing what little value they have. The mid-tier Twitter artist who subsists off of patreon donos for drawing dog cocks and dropping their blistering far left political takes has realized that if they don't have a stranglehold on artistic expression.

1. No more money for them for drawing porn
2. Evil rightoids will make art without being gatekept. Destroying their political sway

So they have to ree as hard as possible to try and get it illegalized before normies catch on too fast.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

That's what gets me the most, artists regularly bitch and moan about how annoying drawing is, how annoying dealing with clients is, how annoying fixing one mistake, ect is, but when something that could potentially make the process faster and less painful comes in, they suddenly hate it

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I know this picture is somewhat old. But i found very ironic that artist are against AI art which is basically that

I say that is because AI is trained off stolen data. That is the main argument I see.

 

[Girahira]

That's what gets me the most, artists regularly bitch and moan about how annoying drawing is, how annoying dealing with clients is, how annoying fixing one mistake, ect is

And then they wonder why their clients would prefer AI over them.

Any hobby comes with hardships to overcome in learning, that’s what achievement’s all about. I still wouldn’t use AI instead of drawing myself just because it doesn’t give me the same sense of pride, accomplishment and the ‘Hell yes, I’ve done all that myself’. That’s why all forms of art won’t ever be competing with AI. Just like it never competed with digital tools. The people that want to draw, will draw and the people that don’t will use AI. Twitterfaggots forget not everyone must enjoy their basement hobbies to want the finished product.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I say that is because AI is trained off stolen data. That is the main argument I see.

I'd be more convinced of their stolen data argument if it was more consistent, like another poster said here before, user data is regularly stolen and now it's suddenly an issue to them when it's something they like? (even more since most of these types are the ones to say who cares as long as you have nothing to hide anyway in regards to data)
Artists themselves steal too, none of these people own any of the copyrighted characters they make money off of, most art styles come from something that already exist and is just slightly modified and transformed, same with most character designs, the list goes on

 

[linchan]

You know you see those slogans "create, not scrape"?

I'm gonna be real with you guys, I think our right to scrape data is just as important than our right to create.

Scraping is necessary in preserving media digitally, it is an asset in independent researching, it is critical in uncovering misinformation, and it is foundationally why the Internet is so revolutionary.

The ability to replicate any asset for your own copy is something that is powerful, especially since it is in the hands of the individual. So much of our ecosystem benefits directly from getting data from different sources, even limited to public info. Yes there are seedier instances such as websites selling info from its users, but for a large part you shouldn't impede the right to collect publicly available info from the individual through law.

I don't like this direction that they are trying to demonize scraping of data.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

These posts are on the mark so fucking hard.

I really hate most other artists. I really do.

I've cut off contact with a lot of other artist, even those I've known for over a decade, because I'm so tired of them bitching about AI art. They are the laziest, most entitled pieces of shit to ever grace my life yet this what they've been crying and moaning for all the time since I've known them.

You know what I have less respect for than someone using AI tools? The self-proclaimed professional artist who can't even fucking draw a straight line without their precious tablet and art program so they can repeatedly hit control-z everytime they make a mistake. I have an honest to god hate boner for a majority of digital arts and artists.

I have to agree with the digital art. Like ok, digital art can look amazing. It can be cool. But it's a fact it's just easier to produce very generic slop on a digital medium. Somewhat soulless. There is a much stronger reaction to art physically created by hand with real mixing of colors, use of mediums, textures ect.

I frequently reminisce to a time I wasn't even alive for in magic the gathering art in the early 90s where it was all traditional and local artists. Some of the art sucks, yeah. But some of it is so good and so unique and it's something we will never have again. Giant incredible oil paintings of angels/dragons to finely detailed watercolors of fairies and wizards. Nowadays mtg art is mostly soulless digital productions (very talented ones for the most part) but they are based all over the world and are given specific scripts to follow on what to design. Now there's a scandal of a straight up copy-paster artist getting caught for stealing other mtg art and doing a lazy editing job. It's not charming anymore.

 

[AmpleApricots]

The data isn't really stolen as these models do *not* contain their artwork in any shape. This is simply not an argument to make as it is not what the reality is. When this eventually will end in some landmark court decisions in different countries this will be an important argument I feel the anti AI crowd will trip over. It is also important to stress that every seething artist's influence on these models is just a comparatively tiny drop. They are trained on a ton of data that includes a very wide gamut of things, not nearly all of which is art, and believe it or not, all of it has an influence in the final model's performance. Technically, while you still could argue that the pictures get "encoded" with an algorithm, you still could not compare this to a lossy compression algorithm or even encryption algorithm, as the process is not reversible and there are several layers of abstraction from the original data, which in it's original, recognizeable form is not part of the model. Or simpler, you cannot get the pictures from the training data back out, not even in a somewhat degraded state, as they are simply not in there. How can they even make the claim that their art got "stolen" if they cannot reproduce their art from those files? How do you outlaw specific ways of processing data that is freely available and directly accessible to everyone? That would open a huge can of worms.

For once I am glad that the other side is fuck you tech corp money because I would not want to deal with the lineage of fuckery such laws would cause. The current copyright laws would be quaint in comparsion.

Re: The art argument - if you spend time with AI art there are workflows to it and you can certainly invest time to get specific results, just as you can just lazily type random prompts. That's the difference between investing many hours into a pencil drawing vs. doodling a poorly drawn stickman onto a notebook. You can do it with the same tools also, but that doesn't diminish the tools. If you can make art by throwing paint at a wall, you can certainly make art with this. In my opinion it's just yet another way to do art. At this point in time, the result (and with that, the meaning and the question if it is art or not) lies with the human using it, not with the model weights. I am incredibly convinced there is a ton of art out there AI was employed in people do not even recognize as such and enjoy. Isn't that good enough? Making the process how it came to be alone decide if something is art or not is the most dishonest, gatekeeping BS I've seen artists do. (and they sure love their BS gatekeeping and little in-crowds)

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Technically, while you still could argue that the pictures get "encoded" with an algorithm, you still could not compare this to a lossy compression algorithm or even encryption algorithm, as the process is not reversible and there are several layers of abstraction from the original data, which in it's original, recognizeable form is not part of the model. Or simpler, you cannot get the pictures from the training data back out, not even in a somewhat degraded state, as they are simply not in there.

Wait; what? Th is a Wham Line to me.
That shows just how little I know about how this type of AI works.

By the by, what would be the consequences of that anti-AI lineage of laws you mentioned?

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

I was catching up on Asmongold videos and came across this video. The video is okay and Asmon does give some real truth to the situation. I'm just shocked that their chat doesn't understand that Prompt Engineers are an actual "valued" position. If there is one place I expect AI Art generation to flourish it will be in the commercial. I can totally see a great Prompt Engineering demanded a 200K a year position considering a good prompt engineer can take the place of entire art departments condensed to one person.

 

[inception_state]

I can totally see a great Prompt Engineering demanded a 200K a year position considering a good prompt engineer can take the place of entire art departments condensed to one person.

AI tools are already being integrated into industry standard tools like Photoshop, and with each new text to image model it becomes easier to generate what you want just by describing it in plain English. The problem with "prompt engineering" is that you are learning how to use a complicated interface that other engineers are in the middle of replacing with a more user-friendly one. Eventually they will make it easy enough that any graphic designer can do a couple weeks of training on how to integrate new AI tools into their existing workflow, and then the "prompt engineers' will be obsolete.

 

[Girahira]

Eventually they will make it easy enough that any graphic designer can do a couple weeks of training on how to integrate new AI tools into their existing workflow

They get sieved out by the hurdle of their own planet-sized egos.