AI Art Seething General

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

I love how people are shitting on a fucking PAINTING channel for damaging the integrity of painters. The guy's probably done more good for painting as a hobby than everyone in the comments combined. Pretty wack for people to say that AI has no use to artists in response to an artist talking about how he uses it, even if he doesn't really explain that too well. That sort of cognitive dissonance is the first rung on the lolcow ladder.

My theory is that AI gets a lot of backlash because it forces improvement. A hell of a lot of artists fall into the gap between being better than the average person, but also not very good. So they produce stuff that's kinda crap but still better than what most non-artists can do. AI absolutely destroys those people.

Many artists don't want to improve actively, they want to just draw what they always draw and hope to "naturally improve".

I'm a developer and AI for us is probably further along to infringing on our jobs compared to AI art. But the response in my circle is totally different. CoPilot has been adopted by many and the general approach we have is "we'll just have to be better than the AI".

 

[CrazyUrbanist]

My theory is that AI gets a lot of backlash because it forces improvement. A hell of a lot of artists fall into the gap between being better than the average person, but also not very good. So they produce stuff that's kinda crap but still better than what most non-artists can do. AI absolutely destroys those people.

Many artists don't want to improve actively, they want to just draw what they always draw and hope to "naturally improve".

I have a similar half-baked theory, that a lot of the whining is amateurs complaining that they can no longer sell mediocre furry art for $X a pop- emphasis more on mediocre than any particular price point. Anyone can make something pretty decent for free now, or even something really good if you spend some time learning how to use the AI tools effectively. (Some basic digital art skills will get you a lot farther again, but that's another matter.)

There's one artist in particular I first took note of about ten years ago, and who has been actively posting ever since. His work isn't awful, but it's frankly not very good either, and most damning is that it hasn't really changed or improved the whole time. A decade of meaningful practice can take an artist a long way, but he hasn't gone anywhere.

Anyway, I checked, and you will not be surprised to learn he doesn't like AI very much. He's ironically probably "safe" for the moment because he often draws weird compositions that I think today's AI tools would have a hard time with, but the gap is closing. You could probably beat him on overall quality with some decent sketches and PonyXL.

 

[AnimeSucksCopeAndSneed]

Crossposting over from the Community Watch thread:

My fellow kiwis seething over the photoshop clone tool.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

My theory is that AI gets a lot of backlash because it forces improvement.

Honestly considering most of the anti AI sentiment comes from Twitter and Reddit I think you're just giving them too much credit, I don't think their brain goes that far. I think that certainly some people are shit scared that they might have to do something productive in society instead of drawing dogs fucking for 200usd per jpeg. I just think that most people who are against it are just victims of this social autism shit. They just hear that AI is bad because it hurts artists because one person said that like they saw some other person saying it was doing this one thing that is kinda like it's hurting some artist because like AI is bad or some shit. Then they just don't have the mental capacity to question that and end up just parroting it. If you actually ask them why AI is bad they will say the same few points but are always unable to actually interact with their beliefs any further than that. They'll tell you AI is bad but that's it. Most people especially online believe something and don't interact with that belief any further than that, look at the american election, half the people won't vote for trump because they heard someone say that he said something sexist or something one time, then the other half will vote for him because maga good it'll fix the country, and most people simply don't go further than that.

I do think there's some fear that AI is forcing improvement. I think that's why people love pointing out any slight mistake in AI shit, yet would never do that for other fanart. It's always been crazy to me that people always point out AI hand issues when yaoi hands have been a thing for literal decades now, even then hands are one of the hardest things to draw anyway. If you point out the mistakes AI makes that you totally wouldn't ever do then it makes you feel better, even if the rest of the image is much better than what you could ever do. It also reminds me of the whole unquestioning righteousness, they are correct and on the correct side of history so whatever they say is excusable because they're correct. It's just like tranny culture, they believe they're on the right side of history because a child rapist said they were, so that means that peddling drugs to groomed children is actually the correct thing to do. They're correct so why would they question anything they do? I'm using a shitty free website because my gpu is fucked and even then some of the stuff I've made I could stick up online and pretend I drew it and no one would think twice about it, let alone if you were using some local model that's much better. Most of the time I see people shitting on AI stuff it's either because it's kinda rough because you're using a shitty free website, or more often that it's simply because the person has AI in their bio. People want AI to be marked (specifically for fanart) so they can shit on it and be certain, they just want these people to make themselves easy targets when in reality most people don't care about if something was or wasn't made with AI anyway.

 

[Pippa is a spic whore]

This is a guy that teaches traditional oil painting, so I was surprised to see an actual tutorial like this pop up on his channel.

Spoiler: The usual gnashing of teeth in the comments

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He also made an earlier video on AI back in May, and it's a brief, fairly measured take (he only speaks until 6:45 after which he plays some music he generated) which boils down to a clear stance on AI as a tool for artists to enrich their work, as well as the generator pilot's taste being a predictor of good outputs, subjective as that is - which I take to mean that most people's tastes are shit if the vast majority of generations are any indication.

Love to see it.
Traditional artists like this man should not be batting for people who a mere half of a decade ago were more than happy to put him on the streets because they were computer literate and could undo their mistakes by simply pressing ctrl+z or could change the backgrounds of their work without needing to paint over the whole piece.

At the end of the day any tears I could possibly have shed for the digitalfags were long spent on people like him who were displaced by the modern "art" gallery shit and stabilizer using traced photoshop shit.

 

[AnOminous]

At the end of the day any tears I could possibly have shed for the digitalfags were long spent on people like him who were displaced by the modern "art" gallery shit and stabilizer using traced photoshop shit.

This is yet another confirmation that real artists who haven't been brainwashed by hysteria-mongering are not afraid of AI. It's mainly these cookie cutter losers who won't be able to make thousands selling bestiality porn any more who have an issue.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Local famous coward (who apologises for saying a naughty word when quoting someone because fucking one white bitch said it was racist despite being that race himself, as well as apologising for the grand sin of having a starbucks coffee cup in frame) Danny Gonzalez comes in (at 9-15mins) to give the most cookie cutter take on AI again. It's just one of those things that when you notice it really sticks out when certain people are doing certain manipulative tactics, it's just incredibly noticeable in this one video. There's just something incredibly obvious about the cherrypicking with AI stuff specifically, though certain heavy anti woke or anti rightoid chud stuff comes close. But he essentially reacts to some grifter talking about how she uses chatgpt to make a baby song idea and then suno to create the song itself. And he is shitting on it (rightfully so, it sounds like shit) but pretending that it is representative of the best of suno. I mean just open suno and look at the recommended songs, they all sound decent and some of them are genuinely better than actual songs in their same genre. Idk if it's just because I don't give a shit about most other internet drama or if it's just because these people are exceptionally bad in regards to AI but the cherrypicking is incredibly obvious. It's not 'oh this song sounds like shit', it's 'all AI music sounds like shit, just like this one'. He wants to push the idea that AI is "not quite there yet", once again the frontpage of suno is high quality, so are image generators. I mean basically the last post I did here is of an AI generated Miku that basically needs you to check the guy's bio to tell it's AI because it's that high quality.

He also spews the same 'oh it's soulless' tier arguments, basically r/all fodder. But it just sticks out really hard for me. There's certain other niche topics that I know a lot about and hearing people talk about it with certainty yet still being just flat out wrong just leaves such a negative vibe you know? There was one guy who I think made like exotic pet videos and was talking about welding (my job) and was so obnoxiously wrong about basically everything and I just lost almost a lot of respect for him. I probably wouldn't give a shit if the rest of his content isn't actually decent, for a popular youtuber at least. I probably wouldn't even bother writing this if he didn't have 7m subs.

 

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

I mean basically the last post I did here is of an AI generated Miku that basically needs you to check the guy's bio to tell it's AI because it's that high quality.

Iirc doesnt vocaloid count as ai now? They've started to incorporate generative ai on their speech synthesis tech. Just look at SynthV (the one with Teto(yes, that one from utau)) and its derivatives.

Extremely funny to see antis using miku as the anti-ai champion. It's like they're doing a whole category traitor business withilout even knowing it. Even in art form where no voice is needed, they still deface her.

Also this post from some literally who

 

[The Grimace]

Iirc doesnt vocaloid count as ai now? They've started to incorporate generative ai on their speech synthesis tech. Just look at SynthV (the one with Teto(yes, that one from utau)) and its derivatives.

Extremely funny to see antis using miku as the anti-ai champion. It's like they're doing a whole category traitor business withilout even knowing it. Even in art form where no voice is needed, they still deface her.

Also this post from some literally who
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One of my friends is a music sperg and he once told me while he personally doesn't care for Vocaloid, he knows lots of enthusiasts really detest it because it's artificial and "not real music" or something along those lines.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

One of my friends is a music sperg and he once told me while he personally doesn't care for Vocaloid, he knows lots of enthusiasts really detest it because it's artificial and "not real music" or something along those lines.

And yet Miku has had an insane cultural impact probably more than the vast majority of other musicians

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

I love how people are shitting on a fucking PAINTING channel for damaging the integrity of painters. The guy's probably done more good for painting as a hobby than everyone in the comments combined. Pretty wack for people to say that AI has no use to artists in response to an artist talking about how he uses it, even if he doesn't really explain that too well. That sort of cognitive dissonance is the first rung on the lolcow ladder.

It just shows there willful ignorance and these people are nothing more than NPCs. GTA NPCs where if you bump them, that's grounds to pull out a gun and start firing. They don't know how to form their own thoughts and opinions nor do they have an identity crafted by themselves. They rely on others to tell them what their identity is and they cling to it like a leach clings to my legs.

 

[Girahira]

What most Twitter artists are too lazy to understand or empathize with is that, when you don’t have the skill/funds for visuals, you‘re shit out of luck with advertising any other creative skill you may have.
Visuals are the quickest way to grab people’s attention; to make them read what you wrote, listen to what you made or play what you created. Those consume time people just won’t sacrifice if they cant even get a first impression of the product. It’s infinitely harder to get people to read a novel than play a visual novel.
Sure, there’s plenty of media with no visuals that only rely on content and the consumers having a non-zoomer attention span- but those, at most, spread among niche audiences (aka your friends that already like what you do).

Visuals tend to be the most expensive asset of any game project. Sure, we’d all love for our project to be uniquely stylish, but most just can’t afford it. If anything, AI can be appreciated for providing the chance to make more creativity seen.

 

[Jeb Bush]

Some bonus brainrot, for this thread:

 

[AnOminous]

Some bonus brainrot, for this thread:

About the sort of boring ass milquetoast take I'd expect from this retard.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Some bonus brainrot, for this thread:

Some AI artists can be delusional but at the same time all of the people that like charlie are. The average tts voice is more pleasing to listen to than he is and I'm sure c.ai has some reddit fart fetishist bots that could write a pretty similar script too

 

[The Grimace]

About the sort of boring ass milquetoast take I'd expect from this retard.

 

[Jeb Bush]

Elon actually did the thing and now nobody can opt-out of everything on their Xitter, being used to train AI.

Musk Sneaks in X AI Training Clause…and No, You Can’t Opt Out

The official Xitter blog

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Elon actually did the thing and now nobody can opt-out of everything on their Xitter, being used to train AI.

Yea my entire feed is people shitting themselves over it (and that the block button is slightly changed in a way that has no impact unless you're retarded enough to not know what an alt account is). Every other post is someone talking about it or posting links to a bluesky account.

I've read through a fair amount of what people and twitter have said but it doesn't actually say what the AI is, to me it kinda sounds like it's just a text AI anyway. It kinda seems that for the nth time twitter users are shitting themselves over something they don't even know about.

 

[AnOminous]

I've read through a fair amount of what people and twitter have said but it doesn't actually say what the AI is, to me it kinda sounds like it's just a text AI anyway. It kinda seems that for the nth time twitter users are shitting themselves over something they don't even know about.

Are they worried they'll lose their job as NEET twitter mongoloids because AI will be able to write retarded shitty takes as well as they do?

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Are they worried they'll lose their job as NEET twitter mongoloids because AI will be able to write retarded shitty takes as well as they do?

No you don't understand they own their own thoughts and posts it's their copyright........ that they lifted thought for thought from the trending groupthink that day. Do you have any idea how many minutes they spent on r/all forming all those opinions? And you want to just steal them?