Alcoholism Support Thread - Down the hatch

I stuck my pistol im my mouth yesterday morning I dont fucking care about my health or future I'm barely clinging to life as it is
Been there. Even though I'd rather kill myself than drink again, people in my life don't feel the same way, so I can't fault what you're doing. Still,

Jesus, man. Have you tried going to meetings? Having guys to lean on and talk to really helps.
+1. Speaking both as a substance abuser and someone with PTSD, until you've experienced it, you have no idea how relieving it is just to be in the company of people who get it.

Obligatory shill that I prefer SMART Recovery over AA because it's evidence based and doesn't demand that you relinquish your sense of agency over yourself and your life, but any port in a storm.

 
+1. Speaking both as a substance abuser and someone with PTSD, until you've experienced it, you have no idea how relieving it is just to be in the company of people who get it.

Obligatory shill that I prefer SMART Recovery over AA because it's evidence based and doesn't demand that you relinquish your sense of agency over yourself and your life, but any port in a storm.
Whatever works, man. Even just being at meetings always makes me feel better and it's even better when they're guys you've known for years.

AA is more common and easier to access for most people, but I'm glad you posted SMART because it does help a shitload of people and it's free.
 
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Been there. Even though I'd rather kill myself than drink again, people in my life don't feel the same way, so I can't fault what you're doing. Still,


+1. Speaking both as a substance abuser and someone with PTSD, until you've experienced it, you have no idea how relieving it is just to be in the company of people who get it.

Obligatory shill that I prefer SMART Recovery over AA because it's evidence based and doesn't demand that you relinquish your sense of agency over yourself and your life, but any port in a storm.

Yea h my last alcohol counselor pointed me to SMART but I guess I never really ready beyond the lanfin page
When they first shipped me to detonx I found ia book very helpful that was basically how to address and cope t=with cravings but the person I was living with kept shoving alcohol i =n my face telling me one drink woujldnt hurt and that one turned into ten per nigth turned into more and there goes aby progress or sobriety for the next 6 fucking years thatn,s
SO now I;ms back where I started fucking nowhere and I get sick if I stop drinking and I drink and drive becauase an hour without booze is too much to even dealwiht
In other words I am a worthless fucking failure and literally everything I do to myself is entirely due to my poor impulse control and weak fucking mental control over my own behavor
 
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Yea h my last alcohol counselor pointed me to SMART but I guess I never really ready beyond the lanfin page
When they first shipped me to detonx I found ia book very helpful that was basically how to address and cope t=with cravings but the person I was living with kept shoving alcohol i =n my face telling me one drink woujldnt hurt and that one turned into ten per nigth turned into more and there goes aby progress or sobriety for the next 6 fucking years thatn,s
SO now I;ms back where I started fucking nowhere and I get sick if I stop drinking and I drink and drive becauase an hour without booze is too much to even dealwiht
In other words I am a worthless fucking failure and literally everything I do to myself is entirely due to my poor impulse control and weak fucking mental control over my own behavor
I'm not really qualified to tell anybody what to do but attributing your failings to your own poor impulse control and low inhibitions when you're chronically consuming a substance that lowers your impulse control and inhibitions is kind of silly. Anyway if you're at the point where you're putting a gun in your mouth then there's really no reason not to try literally anything else; anything you stand to lose from going to detox is something you'd be throwing away if you shot yourself. And going to a meeting is less of a commitment than either of those things, anyway.

A lot of the difficulty of recovery is that you're fighting a battle that other people don't recognize or value, so finding people who DO understand and value the work you're doing makes it easier, less hopeless, less meaningless.

Also you're probably aware since you're in the medical field but a lot of the negative emotions you're feeling are a direct biochemical result of the substance abuse and not really a rational valuation of your circumstances, you'll feel better if you kick the habit.

It's a cliche but it does get easier if you work at it.
 
I've neverf been to AA
The only thing I did in addiciton counseling was harm reduction trying to lower th number of drinks per week with a calendar
I'm not really good at socializing to begin with
I mean its' better when I get drunk but if I'm not then I just don't talk to anyone at all ever and I cut off every single relationship I ever have had with anyonbe because I hate to be reminded I exist and that people think of me
I'm just fucked up and unfixable fucking trash and the only way forward is down
Get out of IFT. Stop drinking. Exercise. Look into getting your medic.
 
kept shoving alcohol i =n my face telling me one drink woujldnt hurt and that one turned into ten per nigth turned into more
There's a common saying among alcoholics that "one drink is too many, and a thousand is never enough".
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I've been there man. So many times I've deluded myself into thinking I can take that one little drink. And then that 1 drink turns into 2. Turns into 3. Turns into 4. And before I know it I've been on a week long bender.
 
Drank again after a few weeks. Worst part is honestly the several post-drinking days of not really being hungover but clearly your body being against whatever you just consumed. Also the whole "Not getting up at 6:30AM on a day off" I usually do. Again, do not want to be sober, but goh dam is drinking just fucking boring. And I don't even drink enough that it's physically an issue, but mentally any amount of alcohol you don't want to ingest is a problem if done regardless.

I feel gross being out shopping and seeing ads for wine, despite wine being the most non-binge drinking variant of alcohol. It's shit you use to prepare meat or have at a date. Actual degenerate consumption is hard liquor, spirits and what have you. Not fucking wine (unless you're an alcoholic suburban mom but that's a genre of its own cause they never consider it an issue to address).
Been there. Even though I'd rather kill myself than drink again, people in my life don't feel the same way, so I can't fault what you're doing. Still,
Suicide is selfish. Your life isn't yours to end, it's damaging the people around you. Even if just in terms of tax dollar investments and the way society needs you to slave away to stimulate GDP (oy vey).
 
There's a common saying among alcoholics that "one drink is too many, and a thousand is never enough".
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I've been there man. So many times I've deluded myself into thinking I can take that one little drink. And then that 1 drink turns into 2. Turns into 3. Turns into 4. And before I know it I've been on a week long bender.
Yeah that's why initially I was completely sober, for me it's either drinking nothing or aiming to empty the liquor cabinet in one sitting
So it was extremely fucking sabotaging to get out of detox and straight to living with someone literally pouring me cups of booze every night and sticking them in front of me and saying "well it's here if you want it, it's really really good, you should have some with us, there's no problem if you just have a couple right? There's some more in the fridge, help yourself, don't be like that, you're hurting my feelings if you don't have some....."
No matter how many fucking times I said I AM ALCOHOLIC I JUST GOT OUT OF TREATMENT I CAN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT STOP DOING THIS TO ME
No shit I caved
 
Yeah that's why initially I was completely sober, for me it's either drinking nothing or aiming to empty the liquor cabinet in one sitting
So it was extremely fucking sabotaging to get out of detox and straight to living with someone literally pouring me cups of booze every night and sticking them in front of me and saying "well it's here if you want it, it's really really good, you should have some with us, there's no problem if you just have a couple right? There's some more in the fridge, help yourself, don't be like that, you're hurting my feelings if you don't have some....."
No matter how many fucking times I said I AM ALCOHOLIC I JUST GOT OUT OF TREATMENT I CAN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT STOP DOING THIS TO ME
No shit I caved
Get the fuck out of that place.

Edit: I'm not going to diminish how shitty that is, but I'm getting a vibe here and I'm gonna call it out: There will always be an excuse to drink. You need to find a way to say no short of people literally holding you down and pouring it down your throat. It is still your fault, and until you accept that you will continue to drink.

I'm not saying this from an "I'm better than you" place. I fall off the wagon often. The only person to blame is me.
 
Get the fuck out of that place.

Edit: I'm not going to diminish how shitty that is, but I'm getting a vibe here and I'm gonna call it out: There will always be an excuse to drink. You need to find a way to say no short of people literally holding you down and pouring it down your throat. It is still your fault, and until you accept that you will continue to drink.

I'm not saying this from an "I'm better than you" place. I fall off the wagon often. The only person to blame is me.
Oh yeah I totally agree with that. I find excuses for all of the retarded shit I get up to, doesn't mean it's not my decision at the end of the day. I just think it's a bit fucked up to pretend like you're out to help someone in a rough spot while you stick your leg out in front of them over and over to watch them trip. I don't understand the reasoning behind it.
But yeah I can rile myself up into a little pity fest quite easily and it is not helpful at all when it comes to assessing and changing my behavior. I don't live there anymore and the people around me now nag me on the daily to put down the fucking bottle.
Actually I love looking for excuses to just give up and fuck myself up, it is so much less stress to just go "welp everything is fubar there's nothing I can do besides crash and burn and fuck my brain into oblivion RIP my hopes and dreams" because yknow if I actually had to make an effort towards something productive I might have to feel scawy anxiety and do something I am not accustomed to...
A nurse at my dr's office was talking with me and turns out she was a retired flight medic, we were talking shop and she was basically verbally slapping me in the face going "get a hold of yourself, wtf are you doing, if you want it, just go get it already, do it now, today not tomorrow"
I want to go flight medic but honestly I am just so scared of fucking up and failing due to my inherent incompetence or stupidity
I've just been blowing any money I might put towards school while everyone around me goes on with their life and improves themselves and I... don't
Everyone else is moving upward and instead I choose to stay where I am most comfortable, doing the same thing every day over and over and complaining about it like I didn't want that outcome.
 
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despite wine being the most non-binge drinking variant of alcohol
My drink of choice is usually 101 proof Wild Turkey. I can gargle Everclear like it's water. That being said I never understood why wine is considered, as you call it, "the most non-binge drinking variant of alcohol".

People act like wine is some pussy drink for bored suburban house moms while beer is the cool macho drink for dads while they watch high T stuff like American football. That makes no sense to me because wine has a higher alcohol content than beer. If anything beer is "the most non-binge drinking variant of alcohol". I can't even get drunk off beer because by the time I have enough for it to affect me my stomach will feel all bloated and gross from the sheer amount I'd need to drink.
 
My drink of choice is usually 101 proof Wild Turkey. I can gargle Everclear like it's water. That being said I never understood why wine is considered, as you call it, "the most non-binge drinking variant of alcohol".

People act like wine is some pussy drink for bored suburban house moms while beer is the cool macho drink for dads while they watch high T stuff like American football. That makes no sense to me because wine has a higher alcohol content than beer. If anything beer is "the most non-binge drinking variant of alcohol". I can't even get drunk off beer because by the time I have enough for it to affect me my stomach will feel all bloated and gross from the sheer amount I'd need to drink.
I agree, beer is harder to chug, whenever I was a couple bucks short of a 2l smirnoff I would just grab a box of franzia and pound it
Wine binges are pretty nasty though, the acidity usually makes me puke a bunch the next morning
 
Hello, I've been sober 1 year, 1 month.

I'll spare the story and I'll just say that after 20 years of drinking "on again, off again" from teenage years into my 30s, it got progressively worse each time I was "on" again. I was never a daily drinker, just drank in binges. Was never in a recovery program, institutionalized, arrested, etc. I was lucky to avoid all of that. There were just very few fun drinking stories and many more "I woke up to a horrible scene, did something truly embarrassing, ruined a relationship or nearly had the balls to kill myself" stories as time went on.
I tried AA after a low-point where I didn't really have any in-person connections or people that trusted me. I had the fears of "it's a cult" going in, but also didn't really have anything to lose. It's not a cult. Nobody forced me to do anything. Nobody forced their specific church down my throat, though I am a believer and started taking faith more seriously. Everything I did and do is the result of my own action, and I'm free to stop showing up or making/taking phone calls at any time I desire.
Some rooms are great, some suck. If you tried it once and didn't like it, try a different meeting. Some meetings are like a knitting club for old people, some have a younger crowd, some follow the Big Book exclusively, some ignore it or large parts of it entirely. It's all run by volunteers who craft a tailored experience that is whatever the group wants out of it, so don't be put off if the first one seems off. There's a not insignificant chance that it is a warped vision of AA.

The main thing is that it helps to talk to other self-identified alcoholics who have a desire to stop drinking (and all other drugs). It helps me, and it helps them, whether they have more time or less being sober than myself.

The sticking points:
  • Anonymity and respecting anonymity is easy for me as a long-term denizen of the internet, but part of dealing with character defects is living a congruent, honest life. And that means being accountable for every action, even those made in the security of "privacy". Being able to be entirely open and honest about every part of my life with other people was difficult for a long time because I just spent long stretches of being a degenerate scrolling the internet. And I would lie about how I spent my time or what I was doing most days. But I've since (step 4) given an account of my worst to more than a few people, including priests. It's relieving to drop all the "I'm taking this to the grave" parts of my life.
  • As said, some meetings really suck. The worst are ones where old people show up to bitch and complain every single week, and they offer no hope or personal accounts of what they've changed for the better in their life (other than another day spent sober). "Dry drunks" do not help newly sober people. In order to be a benefit to yourself and others, you have to change what drove you to being a miserable drunk, or you will be a miserable sober person. Be willing to travel an hour or two out of your way to find good meetings where people are talking about improvements in life.
  • The God problem is easy for me, but I see so many people get scared off or pick and choose what steps they'll follow. They're much smarter than all of the God-dummies, you see, and they have to let everyone know. The important thing is just dropping the mentality that you are the center of the universe, and that you are a small thing. There is a larger presence that you can and should choose to participate in for the benefit of yourself and others.
  • It's never cured, the alcohol problem. The things that made me drink just slowly come back when I start getting lazy and falling into old patterns and behaviors. I have to wake up and plan my day in an ordered way, and go to sleep reflecting on what I could have done better that day.
I don't know the point of this post, I've just been lurking and figured I'd share after reading some of the same reservations about AA that I myself had in the past.
 
I was a hard partier/heavy drinker when I met my wife. I shut that shit down, we got married, and now have 2 children in college. We now take care of my mom(which is a challenge all it's own), and I've started drinking again, in the last couple of years. I'm not near as bad as I used to be(24-36 beers a day at the ranch, or fishing), but now find myself drinking a 12 pack at least twice a week. I know better, and my wife has pretty much had it, but I still do it. Got into working out for a while, but have stenosis of the L4&L5 lumbar, pain is pretty much constant. I know better, but cannot help it. Find myself shit posting on this site, when I do it.
 
Been there. Even though I'd rather kill myself than drink again, people in my life don't feel the same way, so I can't fault what you're doing. Still,


+1. Speaking both as a substance abuser and someone with PTSD, until you've experienced it, you have no idea how relieving it is just to be in the company of people who get it.

Obligatory shill that I prefer SMART Recovery over AA because it's evidence based and doesn't demand that you relinquish your sense of agency over yourself and your life, but any port in a storm.

SMART Recovery works for me as well.
 
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