Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Apparently the "mid-season" break was something fucking Kirkman insisted on for "narrative purposes".

…this is something that we’ve done with every season of The Walking Dead, and I think narratively, it’s kind of cool to have that pause to digest what you’ve just experienced. And when you see Episode 4 of Season 2, you may need a break. It’s a big episode. It’s definitely a mid-season finale kind of episode. And with everything going on in that time of year with Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s, and a lot of family time, I think a lot of shows get lost in the shuffle there, and so I think it’s good to take a pause. And narratively, it’s gonna make things hit a little bit harder. And people will know what I’m talking about when the season launches.
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Doctor of Autism said:
Apparently the "mid-season" break was something fucking Kirkman insisted on for "narrative purposes".
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I think that a lot of these authors have seen what GRRM and HBO did with Game of Thrones. Where if you just delay everything forever you can create endless spinoffs and video games and anthologies and never really have to finish the main story. Or like Disney with Star Wars where the stories barely connect with each other anymore and content is just churned out because the fanbase hasn't turned against the brand yet.

Yeah Game of Thrones had the worst ending in narrative history. But the books can still fix things. In the meantime enjoy a dozen different HBO spinoffs and ten video games and six gorillion Funkopops. Because that book ending is going to be amazing. And now Amazon has the same thing with The Boys and Invincible. Just delay the ending of the main stories as long as possible until you have exhausted all possible side content to sell.
 
TheHarbinger said:
I think that a lot of these authors have seen what GRRM and HBO did with Game of Thrones. Where if you just delay everything forever you can create endless spinoffs and video games and anthologies and never really have to finish the main story. Or like Disney with Star Wars where the stories barely connect with each other anymore and content is just churned out because the fanbase hasn't turned against the brand yet.

Yeah Game of Thrones had the worst ending in narrative history. But the books can still fix things. In the meantime enjoy a dozen different HBO spinoffs and ten video games and six gorillion Funkopops. Because that book ending is going to be amazing. And now Amazon has the same thing with The Boys and Invincible. Just delay the ending of the main stories as long as possible until you have exhausted all possible side content to sell.
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The issue is with both The Boys and Invincible, their source material has already finished. The Boys though is making its one path very different from the comics, while Invincible is trying to be faithful.

Kirkman is just a dumbass since he pulled this shit regularly with the Walking Dead and thinks it's cool for people to wait months, when a weekly release schedule already creates anticipation.
 
Doctor of Autism said:
The issue is with both The Boys and Invincible, their source material has already finished. The Boys though is making its one path very different from the comics, while Invincible is trying to be faithful.

Kirkman is just a dumbass since he pulled this shit regularly with the Walking Dead and thinks it's cool for people to wait months, when a weekly release schedule already creates anticipation.
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The problem is, Kirkman's obviously going to have to deviate from the source material, and how far he deviates is still unknown. He's already deviated on a few points, he might change a few things to make it more palatable for modern audiences.

It's not like the Boys where it's obvious the show is a different beast from the book, Invincible seems to be threading the line between faithful adaptation and modern update.

There's also the problem that if they wait too long, something else would show up and take people's attention away. I mean, it would've been far better if they just went straight and released all eight episodes now, but leaving people hanging like that will obviously cause them to search for greener pastures. And they'd better hope that the people are still hyped for episode 5 when it drops.
 
After spending 75% of the run time of these 4 episodes on tedious B-plots, something finally happens and now it's already gone again? Can't wait for episode 5 to just be more of the mom, Eve, and Donald doing whatever the fuck and then episode 8 might have 10 minutes of plot progression.
 
Right To Bear Blarms said:
After spending 75% of the run time of these 4 episodes on tedious B-plots, something finally happens and now it's already gone again? Can't wait for episode 5 to just be more of the mom, Eve, and Donald doing whatever the fuck and then episode 8 might have 10 minutes of plot progression.
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This is the problem with evil superman stories. Omni Man or Homelander can wipe out the world by themselves. So in order to prevent that from happening you need to keep stringing them along with various reasons as to why they are not actually using their power properly. These range from plot twists out of nowhere, tedious and monotonous time wasting subplots, side arcs of unrelated characters that can be called "world building", and finally desperate moments of outright character assassination.

Even worse is that in Invincible they don't even bother to explain why Noland is a failure. You just get from Angstrom Levy "In every wold but this one....Invincible sides with Omni Man". So we get the world of the subplots and dumb behavior because it stretches out the story for 200 chapters. The season three ending of The Boys did this as well. With all of the character behaving the exact opposite way that they just were so that Homelander, Butcher, and Soldier Boy can return for another two or three seasons. Instead of using their powers to kill each other which makes the most sense.
 
Right To Bear Blarms said:
After spending 75% of the run time of these 4 episodes on tedious B-plots, something finally happens and now it's already gone again? Can't wait for episode 5 to just be more of the mom, Eve, and Donald doing whatever the fuck and then episode 8 might have 10 minutes of plot progression.
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This was made by the same guy who wrote the Walking Dead. So it only makes sense that Invincible gets the same treatment The walking dead's show got.
 
Season 2 has been such a disapointment so far. Too many plotlines, too much filler, not enough fleshed out story. Like WTF was the 40 min Alan the Alien shit? It had cool things, but added nothing to the story thusfar
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
Season 2 has been such a disapointment so far. Too many plotlines, too much filler, not enough fleshed out story. Like WTF was the 40 min Alan the Alien shit? It had cool things, but added nothing to the story thusfar
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Haven't watched S2 yet but in the comics you're waiting a long time and it takes a lot of what many might consider filler until the Viltrumite and Nolan finally plot continues.
Basically you get hooked in by the evil Superman stuff and then you get to read the stuff Kirkman was actually planning to write.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
Season 2 has been such a disapointment so far. Too many plotlines, too much filler, not enough fleshed out story. Like WTF was the 40 min Alan the Alien shit? It had cool things, but added nothing to the story thusfar
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That part is adapted from the source material itself to be fair.

Allen gets beaten up and becomes stronger due to it and will be more able to take on the Viltrumites in the future. The stuff with Mark's Mom, Eve and Donald is somewhat extra though.
 
My issue with the series has always been power scaling. Like the Saiyan Zenkai boost the not-Kryptonians get is really bs in how it defines how strong they are. At some point it’s just people being turned into a smear on the wall, but the plot demands they survive. Like fucking every fight is just people being donut’d as the highlight.

At some point I was expecting some nigga to weaponize the teleporter by either doing a atom-by-atom teleporting someone into mince meat or just straight up teleporting their heart outside their body, but it never happens.

Also, Mark is the worst character in the show. He’s incredibly passive and a faggot who gets cucked.
 
I shamefully binged the entire comic series before season 2, so that I could never be spoiled, and found it to be very retarded indeed, not only in the "future" not-yet-adapted plot developments, but amazingly, even in the way that the most interesting parts of the cartoon were handled. They lay down one shocking world-shattering event after another, yet with no setup and no consequences. Even the famous first-episode-twist is utterly boring in the source, and nobody seems to care much about it afterwards. The only people we see holding a grudge about it are either crazy or retarded or both, and their scenes are played as jokes. I suspect it wasn't planned from the beginning, either. Nearly all of the memorable dialog in the show is original to the show.

No character in the comics has an actual personality. Mark wavers from do-gooder to "doing what's necessary, ends justify the means" every other issue (a Kirkman trademark?). Debbie is nothing, she has no traits of any kind, she might as well be a literal pet. Comics Amber is also nothing, she was only better than Show Amber because the latter was written as a psychopath in season 1, although they've fixed that now. One thing that got me is that Immortal is constantly called difficult, standoffish etc by other characters, but you never actually see him act that way. You get a better sense of what he's supposed to be like from any one of his scenes in the cartoon than the entire run of the comics.

So half the fun of the cartoon going forward is seeing how or if they can take Kirkman's haphazard stream-of-consciousness scribbling and spin it into something that's actually interesting, with characters that have personalities. I was dreading the cliched multiverse stuff, but even the couple of brief scenes of Evil Mark have already been more interesting than anything the comics ever did with it.

My only real complaints are that the fight scenes are somehow getting worse (compare the S2E4 fight to the Atom Eve special, what the hell happened), and they are like 0-60 on soundtrack choices. It's unbelievable how they unfailing pick ONLY songs that I hate, I've never witnessed the likes of it. This show has the absolute worst soundtrack of any piece of media ever produced.

topsykrets said:
Does atom eve actually use her powers for real this season or is she still shooting those fucking gay ass lasers?
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Gay lasers. She's at that Dr. Manhattan level of being so powerful it doesn't even make sense for her to be a superhero. The single thing she CAN'T do is physically attack somebody, so it's the worst possible hobby for her. tbh I think the Atom Eve special is overall the weakest thing that's come out of the show so far. "No daughter of MINE will be an omnipotent god!" Sure, makes sense. Her dad is written to be this completely unlikable small-minded dickhead, but is also the most incorruptible and principled person on earth and isn't even slightly tempted by the promise of limitless wealth and power. Basically her origin story is that she became a superhero for no reason because she felt like it, although she actually doesn't feel like it.
 
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