Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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I remember reading the comic and the walking dead back in like 2014. I remember reading the conclusion out of boredom during Covid.

My conclusion is that Kirkman, like all modern comic writers, cannot tell an original story to save his life. Invincible is basically just ripping off other teenage hero stories while being self-referential to how stupid it is. Then it rips of DBZ with the Virtumites being Saiyans. Both the Walking Dead and Invincible were melodramatic when not stealing story beats word for word at times.
 
I remember reading the comic and the walking dead back in like 2014. I remember reading the conclusion out of boredom during Covid.

My conclusion is that Kirkman, like all modern comic writers, cannot tell an original story to save his life. Invincible is basically just ripping off other teenage hero stories while being self-referential to how stupid it is. Then it rips of DBZ with the Virtumites being Saiyans. Both the Walking Dead and Invincible were melodramatic when not stealing story beats word for word at times.
That's the fundamental problem with a lot of modern stories.
They're constantly referencing what came before and continuously making fun of older media's tropes.
They do so many times that they never develop an identity of their own stories.

Sure, even the older stories were inspired by older stories, such as Dragon Ball, which was inspired by Journey To The West and martial arts movies. Still, the difference is that Toriyama could take his stories and evolve them beyond what he inspired.

That's why we were able to get a story like Dragon Ball Z.

But the problem with Kirkman and other writers like him is that he's so busy mocking what came before, all the while expecting to take it seriously when they kill everyone for shock and aww, it ends up feeling shallow and worse, it exposes how insecure the creators about their work.

You have a bunch of writers with the mindset of "edgy" teenagers who are so desperate to be taken seriously yet insincere to tell a story that isn't embarrassed by its genre and tropes.
 
The show is suddenly being way too faithful to the source material's pace. I expect the show to be cancelled before they reach the fireworks factory.
As of the midseason break I was still thinking it was the best capeshit going. Now I'm not so sure. Show's either jumped the shark or at least hit one hell of a speedbump. I really thought they were building up to something there in 2B, but it managed to slow down even more and become repetitive. The few things that did seem to happen were immediately reset. In the first season, the A-plot and all of the subplots had some kind of closure. Season 2 didn't even have an A-plot, and all the B-plots are either "setting things up" or terminated with no consequence. Compare the season 1 finale, which was a genuine climax, to that gag montage of alternate universes. It's so underwhelming.

Kirkman's own hype for the next season isn't encouraging. The comics became completely ungrounded after a point and never made it back. Every character lives in outer space, every week a city blows up and a gorillion people die or a new saiyan shows up (with an even HIGHER power level), meanwhile the actual story inches forward at a snail's pace while becoming ever more contrived. Looks like they won't be deviating from the comic's plot as much as I hoped.

That running gag where the mummy shows up for 30 seconds at a time and nothing happens doesn't work when every plot on the show is like that.

But the problem with Kirkman and other writers like him is that he's so busy mocking what came before, all the while expecting to take it seriously when they kill everyone for shock and aww, it ends up feeling shallow and worse, it exposes how insecure the creators about their work.
tbh I don't find Kirkman to be much of a subverter of tropes. He's an unironic fanboy and he plagiarizes out of love of the source material, for whatever that's worth. He's edgy as all hell, but that's a different thing.

The first season fake killed its villains from what I remember. The robot villain with the microchip or the doc seismic character had faked deaths. Also if Levy comes back again that will be another fake death. "No one's ever really gone".
I thought Levy was 100% supposed to be dead in the comics and his return was a bullshit retcon when Kirkman changed his mind and wanted to use the character more. It's really odd if they adapt that straight, with the benefit of hindsight.

tbh, I suspect Donald was genuinely intended to be dead in season 1 of the show, and they talked themselves into bringing him back with muh comix accuracy as precedent. It's not foreshadowed and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 
That feel when I'd pay money to watch a faithful animated adaption of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by Alan Moore, but that's just me who wants to see things like:
  • Mr. Hyde face off against Tripods in the middle of London
  • Captain Nemo and its Nautilus evolution
  • Harry Potter the magic school shooter that is also the Antichrist
  • Mary Poppins being God
I guess the audience isn't ready yet, hopefully the following seasons of Invincible will make people hunger for more adaptations.
 
Apparently this show isn't just outsourcing to Koreans, they're outsourcing to North Koreans:
https://www.38north.org/2024/04/wha...et-server-how-well-do-you-know-your-partners/
This, sadly, is no surprise.
The animation industry has used outsourcing for years just to complete its animation, so much so that it has openly bragged about it and often joked about it, even in its own shows.

While I understand, animation is hard work and requires a lot of people to complete it.
The fact that they have become so comfortable doing this, to the point they may now get into legal problems, kind of proves that overly relying on other countries to get your own work done kind of proves how lazy you are.
 
While I understand, animation is hard work and requires a lot of people to complete it.
The fact that they have become so comfortable doing this, to the point they may now get into legal problems, kind of proves that overly relying on other countries to get your own work done kind of proves how lazy you are.
it has nothing to do with laziness. it has to do with cheapness. you make it in america, it's gonna be more expensive, but if you do overseas then it's basically peanuts
 
The shot where you see Levy's body broken but his head is obscured is apparently the same in the comic, so I'm not sure if Kirkman retconned his death or it actually was a legit fakeout.
Levy lives and comes back. He's new plan is gather all the evil Marks and kill everyone. Its a big fight with crossovers like Spawn, Green Dragon and Witchblade. Eventually he has a change of heart of heart but one of Evil Marks says fuck that grabs him and they leave to anther dimension. Then Mark and Robot follow them and Robot kills Evil Mark and Levy and now Robot is the big bad. In the final issue you see the son of Levy with the same powers vowing revenge.
 
Levy lives and comes back. He's new plan is gather all the evil Marks and kill everyone. Its a big fight with crossovers like Spawn, Green Dragon and Witchblade. Eventually he has a change of heart of heart but one of Evil Marks says fuck that grabs him and they leave to anther dimension. Then Mark and Robot follow them and Robot kills Evil Mark and Levy and now Robot is the big bad. In the final issue you see the son of Levy with the same powers vowing revenge.
One thing they did right in this season is **SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE COMIC** not kill off Eve from the alternate universe, but they paralyzed her instead, so that when her true powers will kick in after Conquest punches a hole through her chest, following the Invincibles War, it'll be a pretty good reveal.

And sure in her Atom Eve special they already showed that trauma unlocks her true powers, but her being able to regenerate from massive damage and, by the end of the comic, preventing her from dying of old age is so cool and will definitely work as a nice surprise.

Same as, hopefully by the first episode of Season 3 it'll be said, how the Viltrum Empire is basically reduced down to 50 people, give or take.
 
it has nothing to do with laziness. it has to do with cheapness. you make it in america, it's gonna be more expensive, but if you do overseas then it's basically peanuts
They could make the same lazy and dogshit quality animation in America for the same price. What people want is high quality animation like 80s animated films or older Disney films. Invincible is animated at South Park levels practically. The fighting in the South Park anime episode was basically as detailed as anything in Invincible and it was a parody. Amazon is the largest company in the world. They can afford to make things not look so cheap.

Also Invincible has a massive voice acting cast of prominent actors and actresses. None of them are being hired for pennies. They just are being lazy. It's not a budget issue. It's an issue of soulless corporate garbage from Amazon being churned out. The art style is deliberately terrible. Reddit's favorite art style.
 
Not to mention that anime takes a lot of shortcuts to look as good as it does. When most of your boards are characters standing still and flapping their lips, it's easy to make things more detailed and have amazing looking action scenes. The culture is just completely different to how Western animation is produced.
 
Oh my god, I cannot wait for people to see that stuff," Kirkman said.
I too cannot wait; it's been what, 4 years now?
They could make the same lazy and dogshit quality animation in America for the same price.
In America you have these pesky legal rights workers have which drive up labour costs and you're paying them in dollars, not whatever dogshit currency Best Korea uses that exchanges favourably for you.
 
In America you have these pesky legal rights workers have which drive up labour costs and you're paying them in dollars, not whatever dogshit currency Best Korea uses that exchanges favourably for you.
It's being alleged today that Amazon and HBO used North Koreans to make their animated shows in violations of U.S. sanctions. Nothing will happen to either companies of course. But it's hilarious that liberal fags will consume anything made by slave labor or child slave labor. How much money does Amazon really need to save on Invincible's animation exactly?

https://www.wired.com/story/north-k...ETTER_0_DAILY_ZZ&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_042224

Based on the documents and drawings, the researchers were able to identify some of the shows and projects the North Koreans were working on. Some of the projects included work from season 3 of the Amazon show Invincible, which is produced by California-based Skybound Entertainment. There were also documents linked to Max and Cartoon Network show Iyanu: Child of Wonder, produced by YouNeek Studios, as well as files from a Japanese anime series and an animation studio in Japan.
 
It's being alleged today that Amazon and HBO used North Koreans to make their animated shows in violations of U.S. sanctions. Nothing will happen to either companies of course. But it's hilarious that liberal fags will consume anything made by slave labor or child slave labor. How much money does Amazon really need to save on Invincible's animation exactly?

https://www.wired.com/story/north-k...ETTER_0_DAILY_ZZ&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_042224

Based on the documents and drawings, the researchers were able to identify some of the shows and projects the North Koreans were working on. Some of the projects included work from season 3 of the Amazon show Invincible, which is produced by California-based Skybound Entertainment. There were also documents linked to Max and Cartoon Network show Iyanu: Child of Wonder, produced by YouNeek Studios, as well as files from a Japanese anime series and an animation studio in Japan.
apparently they tried outsourcing to china, who then outsourced to north korea. in that case, it is lazy, but only on the part of the chinese
 
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