Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Aren't you arguing something you disagreed with in an earlier post?
Amazon being as cheap as possible on animation to the point where it is criminal makes no sense. They are paying A-level voice actors for the show to be main characters. They spend as much as possible on the actors. Hiring award winners and movie stars. Then they spend so little on the animation that they have to break U.S. economic sanctions to do it.

They clearly could spend the money high quality animations but they don't. It's got nothing to do with money either. They spent a fortune on their awful Rings of Power. They just want the cheapest looking corporate art style. And apparently North Korea excels at it.
apparently they tried outsourcing to china, who then outsourced to north korea. in that case, it is lazy, but only on the part of the chinese
This is a legal loophole. They use a third party Chinese company to do business in North Korea. If they get caught the Chinese company simply folds and they pretend like they had no idea. You use an independent contractor or broker to make an illegal deal like this. So that if it gets discovered you can walk away cleanly.
 
Amazon being as cheap as possible on animation to the point where it is criminal makes no sense. They are paying A-level voice actors for the show to be main characters. They spend as much as possible on the actors. Hiring award winners and movie stars. Then they spend so little on the animation that they have to break U.S. economic sanctions to do it.

They clearly could spend the money high quality animations but they don't. It's got nothing to do with money either.
Its got everything to do with money. The showrunners are just retards who spent all their budget on the movie stars and voice actors primarily so they can have an excuse to "hangout" with them. The animation is not just secondary to them, but utterly pointless.

So might as well just hire North Koreans for dirt cheap to do, what they view, as the least important aspect of the show. Spend the rest on socializing and partying.
 
One thing they did right in this season is **SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE COMIC** not kill off Eve from the alternate universe, but they paralyzed her instead, so that when her true powers will kick in after Conquest punches a hole through her chest, following the Invincibles War, it'll be a pretty good reveal.

And sure in her Atom Eve special they already showed that trauma unlocks her true powers, but her being able to regenerate from massive damage and, by the end of the comic, preventing her from dying of old age is so cool and will definitely work as a nice surprise.

Same as, hopefully by the first episode of Season 3 it'll be said, how the Viltrum Empire is basically reduced down to 50 people, give or take.
I legit have to ask as by your way of writing you at least have some enjoyment out of the source, but what is the actual appeal of the story?

I tried to pick it up and eventually got to the fight versus conquest and my god, it was such a fucking disgraceful shitshow that just illustrated the complete lack of weight the story had - why should I give a shit about the plot itself if I know the main character can never die or lose in a meaningful way?

And that he has "somehow" more power than the rest of the others because muh writers decision?


It fells like such a weightless pile of nothing that it immediately made me give up on the series itself.
 
why should I give a shit about the plot itself if I know the main character can never die or lose in a meaningful way?
The comics and show heavily lean into the plot armor trope. It's basically the most common story device in the series. If you hate a series where the characters never die or always come back to life then you will loathe Invincible. They had everyone fake die in the second season just to drive the point home. Even starting the storyline of Donald dying over and over again and being brought back as a robotic clone. "No one's ever really gone".

By the end of the story every single character will have had several moments of being near death but being saved at the last possible second. This even includes villain and antagonists. Also lots of villains will also get redemption arcs or rarely do anything truly villainous either. It's all very milquetoast and lame for a comic supposedly aimed at adults.

Invincible is just like Game of Thrones or The Boys. Kill off a few big characters early to hook the audience. Then activate the plot armor on the remaining main characters and just stall every plotline until the final season or final issues. Game of Thrones became so predictable with its plot armor that people were rolling their eyes and were bored when Jon Snow was stabbed to 'death'. They also share the tropes of using lots of curse words and heavy amounts of gore or violence to appear more 'mature' when in reality everything is juvenile.
 
Even starting the storyline of Donald dying over and over again and being brought back as a robotic clone.
Cecil has the resources to reconstruct Donald after he gets disintegrated point blank by a mininuke, but he couldn't figure out how to superglue Immortal's head back on
 
Cecil has the resources to reconstruct Donald after he gets disintegrated point blank by a mininuke, but he couldn't figure out how to superglue Immortal's head back on
They somehow couldn’t bring back the guardians either despite wasting that technology on some fat faggot with bitch tits. You’d think whoever did the previous cyborg stuff would be better than the guy who lobotomized the homo.

Donald was shown to be dead for days in some cases. Just seems like resource mismanagement.
 
The comics and show heavily lean into the plot armor trope. It's basically the most common story device in the series. If you hate a series where the characters never die or always come back to life then you will loathe Invincible. They had everyone fake die in the second season just to drive the point home. Even starting the storyline of Donald dying over and over again and being brought back as a robotic clone. "No one's ever really gone".
This Ulitmatlety plays into one of the biggest problems with a like this, where they actively kill everyone but then will constantly revive them in a mere week.
There are no long-lasting consequences.
People who have died will quickly be revived in cybernetic bodies, be brought back from an alternative universe, or turn out to never be dead in the first place.

Heck, when Mr. Cyborg Donald was crying about "I should have died a long time ago," I felt more annoyed than sad for him.

It doesn't matter how people brutally kill people the show kills.
The audience will quickly become desensitized to it when you treat death like it's just a daily event.

Why feel sad about anybody dying when they can be so quickly revived?

They somehow couldn’t bring back the guardians either despite wasting that technology on some fat faggot with bitch tits. You’d think whoever did the previous cyborg stuff would be better than the guy who lobotomized the homo.

Donald was shown to be dead for days in some cases. Just seems like resource mismanagement.
This actually plays into another problem.
This show has many methods to revive so many characters, not just by turning them into cyborgs, but they can also clone them.

Does anybody remember the Mauler twins?
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These two alone could revive the guardians with ease.
They're so good at it that they even figure out how to make sure the clone doesn't have an essential crisis, and it's not like Cecil would be bothered hiring two criminals to get the job done.
He isn't exactly someone who's concerned with what's morals as long it keeps planet Earth safe.
 
@Jormungand

There’s an issue I have where people complain about Dragonball and Dragonball Z with the whole revival thing. Dragonball actually did include rules for everything and despite Toriyama’s bad memory he remembered them enough to play with the rules.

The Buu arc includes how Granpa Gohan came back and basically parodies the revival. Vegeta endangers himself and the world for a midlife crisis and it ends with a loop hole with the Dragon Balls to revive the cast.

It also never forgets what it is. It’s an Action Comedy series or Comedy Martial arts series. It shifting to more action isn’t bad because it knows how to handle itself. Every fucking encounter in Invincible is Mark going “Woah?! This is crazy? So weird!” Older writers designated that to comic relief for a fucking reason. Jimmy Olsen would be wide-eyed or J. Jonah Jamison angry at how retarded shit was and the protagonist would comment. It helped create tension and gravity.

Invincible is just a parody that wants you to take it seriously. It’s like DBZ abridged. An inferior parasite that thinks it’s better than what inspired it.
 
I legit have to ask as by your way of writing you at least have some enjoyment out of the source, but what is the actual appeal of the story?

I tried to pick it up and eventually got to the fight versus conquest and my god, it was such a fucking disgraceful shitshow that just illustrated the complete lack of weight the story had - why should I give a shit about the plot itself if I know the main character can never die or lose in a meaningful way?

And that he has "somehow" more power than the rest of the others because muh writers decision?


It fells like such a weightless pile of nothing that it immediately made me give up on the series itself.
I had a nice time reading Invincible when the focus of the story shifted on the side characters, like Robot, Monster Girl and the others. Brit is easily my favourite side character of the bunch, and his spin-off series is a pretty fun read.

Like, how can you not love a character that is loosely based off Captain America, his only power is complete invulnerability to any form of damage, and he wins his fights by just tiring out his opponents?
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Kind of a shame that apparently we won't be getting him nor Tech Jacket or Wolfman in the show. Apparently something that has to do with the rights, despite Kirkman being behind both projects but whatever. If they really introduce Brit in the show, it better be voiced by Henry Rollins.

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Like, how can you not love a character that is loosely based off Captain America, his only power is complete invulnerability to any form of damage, and he wins his fights by just tiring out his opponents?
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That does sound like a very fun character to follow and see what he can manage to do, his adventures, but again, I pick up the story, get to this part, and all the will to try and care about the story just vanishes from my soul.
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That does sound like a very fun character to follow and see what he can manage to do, his adventures, but again, I pick up the story, get to this part, and all the will to try and care about the story just vanishes from my soul.
That scene will be featured in... season 5? Season 6? I'd say around 8 years from now, and I'm being extremely optimistic.
 
That does sound like a very fun character to follow and see what he can manage to do, his adventures, but again, I pick up the story, get to this part, and all the will to try and care about the story just vanishes from my soul.
How closely do you follow cape comics?
 
How closely do you follow cape comics?
I've read 2 comics in my entire existance, the punisher, and eventually got bored after like issue 20 because it was just the same premise over-and-over at that point - and this because I got curious over the show, that I haven't finished.

Is everything just the same "low-quality story in favor of just isekai tier over-powered main caracthers"?
 
I've read 2 comics in my entire existance, the punisher, and eventually got bored after like issue 20 because it was just the same premise over-and-over at that point - and this because I got curious over the show, that I haven't finished.

Is everything just the same "low-quality story in favor of just isekai tier over-powered main caracthers"?
Aight chief, I got some reads for you. Since you mentioned The Punisher, I recommend Garth Ennis run on the Punisher, and on the same wavelength, but this is DC Comics and not Marvel, Hitman, still by Garth Ennis.
 
I'm surprised Quartering hasn't bitched about every female character getting a breast reduction yet.

Lotta shit takes in this thread in 2021, and ironically, the people whining got exactly what they wanted.

Shit, even the speech about conquering humanity for their own good happened this season.

Earth is so hilariously fucked, and the only thing anyone from space cares about is Mark.

Mark just wants to go to college, and instead he has to go to PTSD-U.

Even the people bitching about Amber got what they wanted.

Amber is stereotype first college girlfriend.

I do find it funny they accidentally outsourced animation tasks to best Korea.

I wish Lord Impacted would shut the fuck up.
You read ahead of the class, Good Job you fucking nerd.

As to the comicon joke, they actually printed that on the goodie bag at comicon that year, and the narutards were out in force, just like the episode.

I knew what the 501st and whatever the stupid starfleet nerd group is called, but the forehead mirrors confused the shit out of me. Plus it was about 90 in the shade so those ningen suffered. There were even poor bastards in full keaton batsuits.

The advertising on buildings that year was so impressive they banned it. They still do it, but have to pay fines.

Every year the line around the convention center grows more retarded. I think the last time I went was 2010. I won't enter a lottery to get tickets to a fucking convention center.
 
An inferior parasite that thinks it’s better than what inspired it.
Does it? I don't know anything about Kirkman beyond reading his comics, but his gimmick is taking some stock setup and slathering it in soap opera shit. The mashups work while seeming unapologetically kitsch rather than fart-huffing and the melodrama is a required ingredient rather than a symptom.

But I'd agree the cartoon comes across a bit more self-serious to its detriment. I'm not sure what you'd do about that though since the acting can't really wink at the dumbass dialogue without undermining the whole thing.
 
Aight chief, I got some reads for you. Since you mentioned The Punisher, I recommend Garth Ennis run on the Punisher, and on the same wavelength, but this is DC Comics and not Marvel, Hitman, still by Garth Ennis.
Thanks for the recommendation, it sounds like a good read, will def. check it out, also funnily enough searching it up reveals the wiki followed by some guy on Reddit getting ratioed on his opinion of that rendition of the character:
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Thanks for the recommendation, it sounds like a good read, will def. check it out, also funnily enough searching it up reveals the wiki followed by some guy on Reddit getting ratioed on his opinion of that rendition of the character:
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He’s not entirely wrong, but it’s Reddit, so of course they’ll love the dumb shit he added.

I like Garth Ennis, a lot, but he got pretty retarded on that run. and it gives the people who already hate Punisher a boner to run with. That being said, I still recommend you read it, and it’s not all terrible.

My Punisher recommendations would be Punisher Year One, and The Punisher/Captain America team up “Blood and Glory”.
 
They somehow couldn’t bring back the guardians either despite wasting that technology on some fat faggot with bitch tits. You’d think whoever did the previous cyborg stuff would be better than the guy who lobotomized the homo.

Donald was shown to be dead for days in some cases. Just seems like resource mismanagement.
These two alone could revive the guardians with ease.
They're so good at it that they even figure out how to make sure the clone doesn't have an essential crisis, and it's not like Cecil would be bothered hiring two criminals to get the job done.
He isn't exactly someone who's concerned with what's morals as long it keeps planet Earth safe.
Not bringing back the Guardians isn't much of a plot hole. So far as we know, Black Batman, Aquafish, Martian Man, and Green Ghost* are all normal members of their species with no unique intrinsic powers. The Maulers can't retrieve their memories/personalities out of dead bodies (especially if their brains are splattered) and e.g. cloning Immortal's body and copying a volunteer's mind into it might make them flip out.

* (The comics show that Green Ghost's powers come from a magic stone or something. Ignoring that, the cartoon's flashbacks at least show that it's a legacy position and she's not the first GG, and you can infer that she's kind of a Green Lantern analog. The real mystery is why we never see a new GG.)

ofc one might wonder why Cecil doesn't have a whole army of mind-controlled Flash clones before the show even starts, but eh, I'm gonna let it go. Why doesn't Lex Luthor do that? It's a pretty standard handwave to say that cloning superpowered people is hard or doesn't work right so I'll just go with that. I mean, Cecil has a teleporter, why can't he just teleport Omniman's brain right out of his skull? Because it's a tv program, that's why. You can pick apart any superhero setting like that if you want to.

I'm only sperging about Donald because it feels really absurd even for capeshit logic and undermines a bunch of stuff that's already happened. I guess he's the world's most accident-prone government agent (on par with Kenny McCormick) and has been having blackouts on a regular basis for years without noticing.

That does sound like a very fun character to follow and see what he can manage to do, his adventures, but again, I pick up the story, get to this part, and all the will to try and care about the story just vanishes from my soul.
Eh imo nothing tops that deus ex machina that got him out of being stranded in the alternate desert dimension, can't believe they adapted that 1:1 into the cartoon, they should've been able to come up with something less lazy in 5 seconds
 
I had a nice time reading Invincible when the focus of the story shifted on the side characters, like Robot, Monster Girl and the others. Brit is easily my favourite side character of the bunch, and his spin-off series is a pretty fun read.

Like, how can you not love a character that is loosely based off Captain America, his only power is complete invulnerability to any form of damage, and he wins his fights by just tiring out his opponents?
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Kind of a shame that apparently we won't be getting him nor Tech Jacket or Wolfman in the show. Apparently something that has to do with the rights, despite Kirkman being behind both projects but whatever. If they really introduce Brit in the show, it better be voiced by Henry Rollins.

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The Tick did it better
 
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