Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Trollblade69 said:
What are you trying to do here? What do you even think a "serious" take on superheroes is?
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Something where the writers are working on the story without just winging it. Invincible has terrible power scaling and plot armor all over the place. Even some of the most casual fans of the show are complaining about how weak Mark is in fights and how easily the heroes get captured or defeated.....only to be saved at the last second. It's not a show aimed at people who watch stuff like The Sopranos or The Wire. It clearly has its target audience of comic fans and hipsters and people who just want a dumb story to casually watch like a popcorn flick. Its fandom are also hyper sensitive about any criticism and seem to take attacks on the show personally and get pathetically offended when people point out any flaws. You had people losing their minds when everyone complained that the animation was horrible, then the fans raving like idiots how everyone was wrong, then it getting revealed that the show is made by North Korean slave labor.

Also world building that follows logic and order and not just "stuff happens because the plot demands it". But this is a show and comic ultimately written for reddit nerds and Funkopop addicts and it placates those fans too often. Where there are jokes about the hero using time travel to swap his clothing. And characters are more concerned with college lives and romances than the impending worldwide Viltrumite enslaving of Earth. And characters spend most battles firing off quips and silly lines instead of actually fighting. And the writers are more concerned with getting the right racial or gender makeup of the cast rather than writing a good story.
Two Hands said:
Lack of plot armor. Villains must be executed immediately.
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It's not even villains. It's the heroes as well. Barely anyone dies. The first episode started off with a bang with the entire Guardians getting killed. From that point practically everyone is wearing plot armor. To the point where even people like Donald cannot die or the one fag's college crush comes back to life. "No one's ever really gone". "Somehow Palpatine returned".

And villains not being executed is a classic comic book trope. Where the heroes never kill anyone and just capture the villains. This makes them morally superior. And gives the writers more opportunity to recycle the same villains over and over. Like Doc Seismic or Machine Head. Or the opportunity to make the villains become heroic which is the obvious and predictable ending for Omni Man.
 
TheHarbinger said:
But this is a show and comic ultimately written for reddit nerds and Funkopop addicts and it placates those fans too often.
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I'd say the show is like that, the comic had much more nuance and wasn't afraid of poking fun at itself.
TheHarbinger said:
And characters are more concerned with college lives and romances than the impending worldwide Viltrumite enslaving of Earth.
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More realistic than you think. Whenether the king's Romulus or Odoaker, you still have to pay taxes no matter what.
TheHarbinger said:
And the writers are more concerned with getting the right racial or gender makeup of the cast rather than writing a good story.
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That's also the show's fault, and for some reason (my guess is Blackrock money) it changes many subplots to be 100% serious. There was no college gay romance in the comic, that guy was revealed to be gay way later as a gag. The Machinehead plot? Treated as no-nonsense by the show as Mark helping the poor ghetto minority, while in the comic Nolan tells Mark he's free to do whatever he wants but warns him he's probably a playa using him, which is exactly what happens. Donald being a cyborg is also a one-off gag of "wait, weren't you dead? ...yeah, I got better" while the show turns it into some X-Files plot that I found bizarre.

If Superman was realistic then he'd be either vivisected at Area 51 a long time ago, or treated as a pariah by society and a living weapon nuclear option by the government by the virtue of accidentally leaving hundreds of innocent corpses whenever he goes around "saving" Earth from problems humans can't deal with without his "help". Or something like Brightburn, it's a pretty good low-budget movie I recommend if you like the concept of grimdark, adolescent psycho Superman.
 
demicolon said:
If Superman was realistic then he'd be either vivisected at Area 51 a long time ago, or treated as a pariah by society and a living weapon nuclear option by the government by the virtue of accidentally leaving hundreds of innocent corpses whenever he goes around "saving" Earth from problems humans can't deal with without his "help". Or something like Brightburn, it's a pretty good low-budget movie I recommend if you like the concept of grimdark, adolescent psycho Superman.
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This is essentially the plots of Akira or Irredeemable. Where in Akira the powerful super beings, created by the military, are constantly tortured and drugged to contain their powers lest one of them go rogue or go insane and cause a doomsday event. And in Irredeemable, their version of Superman known as the Plutonian, snaps one day and begins murdering millions of people out of pure rage. And it takes the combined efforts of nearly all superheroes and villains to finally take him down.

The Boys had this storyline on the show with Soldier Boy. Where the Russians are trying to figure out ways to kill him. Then pass those abilities onto Vought and the U.S. government to take down Homelander. And the Boys spinoff about the university features a laboratory style prison where they are capturing super students and trying to create a bioweapon to wipe out anyone with Compound V in their system.

It's also part of the plot of the movie Jumper. Where some people are born with powers to teleport. And there are religious and government groups out to capture them and either kill them or experiment on them to unlock the secrets of their powers.

They flirted with this plot in the show Invincible. As one of the alternate dimensions of Angstrom Levy had Mark captured in some machine to study and simultaneously kill him.
 
Little faggotry, side stories for the first 20 issues or so when they were still one unprofitable issue from axing it and were still at the throwing shit at the wall phase.
 
TheHarbinger said:
Something where the writers are working on the story without just winging it.
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You're watching a serial adaptation of a serial (albeit finished) comic book, and complaining that it's being made on the fly.

I get it, I have painful hangups over a bunch of anime and cartoons collapsing into shit myself (Naruto, MHA, Star Vs), but the knowledge that anything you like/cling to in these stories may end up going nowhere and/or crumbling into shit is effectively the price of admission for the stuff we're watching.
TheHarbinger said:
Its fandom are also hyper sensitive about any criticism and seem to take attacks on the show personally and get pathetically offended when people point out any flaws.
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From what I've seen on 4chan, people are perfectly aware the show and the source material is mediocre to shit propped up by the gore, and are just watching it because it's there and it's popular and it lets them make rape jokes.
demicolon said:
If Superman was realistic then he'd be...treated as a pariah by society and a living weapon nuclear option by the government by the virtue of accidentally leaving hundreds of innocent corpses whenever he goes around "saving" Earth from problems humans can't deal with without his "help".
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Yes, Zack Snyder's Superman does suck.
 
Trollblade69 said:
You're watching a serial adaptation of a serial (albeit finished) comic book, and complaining that it's being made on the fly.
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The comic books were written on the fly. And are filled with leaps in logic, plot holes, filler, and retcons (to the point of absurdity in a few cases). This means that a straight adaptation of the comics books to an animated show will also reflect that the original story was written chapter to chapter without a lot of planning. They also don't know when Amazon will pull the plug on the show or if they will get the exact number of seasons that they want. Or if they will make more spinoff movies or side stories which changes how they write the main story.

So it's not like this show is a 1:1 recreation of its comic series and we can predict how everything will be written. You're acting like the show lines up with the comics but they've changed a lot (especially in the name of DEI faggotry). It's basically a cash grab with a condensed story and North Korean animation. It won't go down in the pantheon of greatest series of all time. And probably will be mostly forgotten like most other animated series. Sitting on the shelf like thousands of dollars on Funkopops and other toys.

They probably could have done the entire Viltrumite storyline in one season. Everything else feels like filler because the stakes are so low.
 
TheHarbinger said:
You're acting like the show lines up with the comics but they've changed a lot
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Season 1 shook some stuff up, but seasons 2 and 3 have been mostly 1-to-1 in terms of events and pacing of events, occasionally adding some superfluous stuff like Donald's cyborg angst and Eve messing up humanitarian efforts.

I honestly have no idea what stance you're supposed to be taking - saying the show is extremely cashgrab but then treating cosmetic raceswaps like a world-shaking difference. Are you even trying to disagree with me?
 
Trollblade69 said:
Season 1 shook some stuff up, but seasons 2 and 3 have been mostly 1-to-1 in terms of events and pacing of events, occasionally adding some superfluous stuff like Donald's cyborg angst and Eve messing up humanitarian efforts.

I honestly have no idea what stance you're supposed to be taking - saying the show is extremely cashgrab but then treating cosmetic raceswaps like a world-shaking difference. Are you even trying to disagree with me?
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Technically one can say that the return of Machine Head and him taking over The Order is a big difference since he was a one and done in the comics to my recollection, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter because Liu's still alive, can easily come back and reduce Machine Head to a thin paste, and go "yeah I'm back and in charge guys".
 
The Paleblood Vessel said:
Technically one can say that the return of Machine Head and him taking over The Order is a big difference since he was a one and done in the comics to my recollection, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter because Liu's still alive, can easily come back and reduce Machine Head to a thin paste, and go "yeah I'm back and in charge guys".
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Well Liu's not dead because nobody in this fucking show dies but also because he's a prison for that dragon so him dying would mean the dragon goes free and starts rampaging the city so yea...

Also a lot of these crime orgs don't make sense. A lot of D tier villians team up to rule the city... But a B tier or A tier could just curbstomp them into paste and take over.

Like yea, Titan is smart and all, but if any heroes from the league come over they can just fucking kick his teeth in... And his henchmen.
 
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