Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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God of Nothing said:
oh look, look!
walter white is replacing mike and chastising jessie, lolololol

At this point, the show is more of a mess than the comics.
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At least with the comics theres time to flesh out the characters and do meandering stories like the Spiderman crossover. In the show everything is essentially just remixed and condensed, and theres no rhyme or reason to how any of the source material is prioritized. It really is on the same level, if not worse.
 
So having wasted a whole episode on filler and r/atheism nonsense last week, we finally get back to the plot.

It was much more believable in regards to Debbie’s reaction to Nolan’s poor attempt at apologizing here. She’s not gonna forgive him or accept him like in the comic, especially now that she has Paul, and the fact that he show made Nolan’s fight on Earth more brutal.

The one scene everyone is raving over is the fight between Mark and Conquest here, if only because of how brutal it was. Seeing the latter disembowel the former was extremely uncomfortable, especially with how long the scene went on for. I’m guessing that is why people are praising the episode.

Any thoughts on the changes the show made in regards to the scene with Debbie and Nolan, and did the fight between Mark and Conquest live up to the hype and praise in your eyes?
 
LightDragonman1 said:
So having wasted a whole episode on filler and r/atheism nonsense last week, we finally get back to the plot.

It was much more believable in regards to Debbie’s reaction to Nolan’s poor attempt at apologizing here. She’s not gonna forgive him or accept him like in the comic, especially now that she has Paul, and the fact that he show made Nolan’s fight on Earth more brutal.

The one scene everyone is raving over is the fight between Mark and Conquest here, if only because of how brutal it was. Seeing the latter disembowel the former was extremely uncomfortable, especially with how long the scene went on for. I’m guessing that is why people are praising the episode.

Any thoughts on the changes the show made in regards to the scene with Debbie and Nolan, and did the fight between Mark and Conquest live up to the hype and praise in your eyes?
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That was one of the few scenes in the show that felt relatable for me and my wife. This guy fucked a bug woman and tried starting a whole new family after murdering thousands of people, its not forgivable by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
I hate the spaced-out release shit for streaming shows, it just reminds me of cable and half the time it's not even necessary because the episodes are already finished beforehand. I always wait until a season ends first before I sit down and watch it.
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bro got so used to binge watching tv shows that going back to the way things were kills it for him now
 
soulgains said:
At least with the comics theres time to flesh out the characters and do meandering stories like the Spiderman crossover. In the show everything is essentially just remixed and condensed, and theres no rhyme or reason to how any of the source material is prioritized. It really is on the same level, if not worse.
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The comic is the same. Viltrumites are introduced way too early. Mark is incredibly powerful almost instantly. And so the rest of the series is just stalling the eventual major galactic war against the remaining Viltrumites. New villains are introduced every couple of weeks or episodes that distract from the main premise of the series. This is how most comic and fantasy stories go. Keep making new minor villains and threats to pad out the story with filler. Then when you run out of filler content finally bring in the main villain or threat for one last abrupt battle.

Game of Thrones introduces us to the Others in episode one. It takes seven seasons for anything of substance to finally happen. In those seven seasons we get new villains from the Iron Islands, Dorne, Highgarden, and so on. Then finally one episode to just immediately close the existential threat storyline with a girl trampoline leaping from the shadows. So that we can get back to politics and open forum debates about who should be the next king.

The Boys shows is the same way. First episode has Homelander assassinate a politician. The stakes are high. Homelander could potentially wipe out the entire government and take over the entire world. Next seven seasons (with spinoffs) you have glacial plot movement. You have entire episodes about social media and dating game reality shows. And in the final season Homelander will once again do almost nothing because according to the leaks Amazon refused the budget for a giant Homelander "wipes out America" scorched earth sequence.

I read the Irredeemable comic and it ended rather quickly. But looking back it's probably the best example of 'Evil Superman' in terms of not bogging down the entire plot with filler. Though most of the plot is poorly written and the ending is laughably bad. The pace is at least consistent. Their version of Superman goes evil. The entire world stops everything it is doing to fight against him.
 
LightDragonman1 said:
So having wasted a whole episode on filler and r/atheism nonsense last week, we finally get back to the plot.

It was much more believable in regards to Debbie’s reaction to Nolan’s poor attempt at apologizing here. She’s not gonna forgive him or accept him like in the comic, especially now that she has Paul, and the fact that he show made Nolan’s fight on Earth more brutal.

The one scene everyone is raving over is the fight between Mark and Conquest here, if only because of how brutal it was. Seeing the latter disembowel the former was extremely uncomfortable, especially with how long the scene went on for. I’m guessing that is why people are praising the episode.

Any thoughts on the changes the show made in regards to the scene with Debbie and Nolan, and did the fight between Mark and Conquest live up to the hype and praise in your eyes?
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Both scenes were well done. I'm gonna miss that crazy bald bastard.
 
Did I ever mention how I really love when a writer goes out of their way to asspull a villain surviving something that should've 100% killed them and had the main character confirm that only to do nothing with them and kill them off like 5 episodes later anyway?
Super clean writing, that.

The only thing we learned from all this is that Mark appears to have too many internal organs.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
Eve literally has the power to warp the fundumental building blocks of reality itself on a whim and her combat style involves throwing pink orbs 90% of the time.
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A decade ago, I watched an anime about superheroes and it had a similar character who could create anything caveat, she had to know how things are constructed to make them so she can't pop out tanks out of her cleavage forever and her character arc revolves around how despite her intelligence and amazing ability, she can't utilize it for jack shit. I don't remember if that ever got resolved. If I had a nickel for every time this happened, I'd have two nickels, but it's weird that it happened twice
 
As it turns out, the invincible animation team in 2023 was actually doing work for seasons 2, 3, 4, and FUCKING 5 At one point. Kirkman literally stated that they've been doing work on the animation for season 5 since 2023 and that wording alone tells me that it wasn't just storyboards. Letting some retarded shit like this happen so that you can pull off releasing seasons yearly is pants on head fucking retarded. Why the hell would you do any work for season 5 in 2023 beyond bare bones storyboards? They didn't even have the voiceactors doing shit for season 5 until 2024 :story:
This production style is only good when you have a large animation team (family guy does a similar thing). A quick glance at invincibles budget would tell you that this isn't the case and explains why the animation fucking blows for the most part.
 
Exegesis said:
As it turns out, the invincible animation team in 2023 was actually doing work for seasons 2, 3, 4, and FUCKING 5 At one point.
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That's an obvious lie. They were caught outsourcing the work to North Korea. Anything they say is just their PR team inventing a story.
 
TheHarbinger said:
That's an obvious lie. They were caught outsourcing the work to North Korea. Anything they say is just their PR team inventing a story.
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Outsourcing has nothing to do with this, this is a matter of their inability to have a good production process. With or without outsourcing this is clearly a problem and we already knew that the team was working on seasons 2, 3, and 4 at one point in 2023 anyways due to released storyboards and sketches by animators which still had the dates on them. We only know that work was being done for season 5 in 2023 due to Kirkmans claim. It is possible that they completed work for season 2 and then started up real work for season 5 right after.
 
Sasmate said:
why is tech jacket say woman? It’s one think for a minor character like shrinking Rae, but tech has his own series and is his own thing
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Because they thought that they couldn't make him look different from Mark. That's literally the entire reason.
The people working on the show are so unimaginative that they didn't think to change some facial features or the hair color. Not only that, people who worked on the tech jacket comic went to twitter saying that he was basically just a younger Mark which is making me wonder if the people who worked on the comics for both have just developed early-life dementia because they're completely different.
 
IMO, this episode was ... pretty good! Once more, focusing in on the main storyline breeds results! Who would've guessed! Some thoughts:

HIGHLIGHTS -
- Sandra Oh's and Simmon's performance. The contrast between Debbie's speech and Nolan's apology, the expressions and movement of the characters, and the way it ended (contrasting the comic's near immediate forgiveness of Omniman's crimes) was great. So far, she, he, and Yeun remain the only celeb VAs I think should stay on the team. Very emotional, but controlled scene. Their seperate arcs remain my favorite character storylines.
- Starting to like Allen and his relationship with General Girlfriend, Talia. She was absolutely insufferable in the comics, so this is one of those changes to the characters that I appreciate. She's actually likeable while providing a good driving force (literally, in the case of the ship)
- The end "fight" with Conquest was the best part. The progression as he slowly died was good, the movement was more fluid than the show usually permits, and it was nice seeing weight (the crushing of rocks and sand flying about, the sound design adding to the feeling of suffocation, and the gore at the end was only a little excessive)

COMPLAINTS -
- Tech jacket being some teenage girl is wholly unnecessary. It doesn't add to the plot or takeaway (since this isn't a story around the original character), so why change him to her? If it's so she and Oliver can bond, that's low-key pointless too because he could do that as a guy. A part of me wonders if they'll go the Rex & Rae route and make her Oliver's love interest or something. That would be awkward considering how fast he ages and all the side relationship shit but Kirkman loves his weird romance dynamics.
- That comment about Eve carrying the Conquest fight is abysmal. She only helped by literally dying and then Lazarusing herself with super mega Lazer blast powers to last minute scorch Conquest while he was distracted. Mark did most of the damage, but even then it was barely anything. Realistically, they should've either been killed off OR Mark should have had a Gohan v Cell type of battle. This is more a general writing complaint because the powerscaling is awful in both show and comic. They should've had some fully training based episodes instead of all the filler shit wasted on nothing side characters
- The Viltrumites jumping them was kinda lame. Not enough violence, ironically. Punches felt like nothing, they revamped the scene with Omniman crushing knock-off's Flash's head for Oliver to less effect. Then they did that cringe still with Conquest about to attack Oliver (it looked straight out of Youtube animation). TJ's lazers were useless and she threw zero punches and was constantly getting shit broken. She's near Eve levels of useless but the Viltrumites are written to be idiots who wouldn't think to search their own ship for the magically disappearing Coalition members that are likely onboard.
- Major plot points remain ridiculous: if Viltrumites can go weeks in space without air, have incredible durability that only gets better as they age, and their regeneration powers are so good that Mark will survive getting literally gutted (he's got like six intestines, apparently), how tf does Conquest die from strangulation? He survived getting his head caved in, why does this do him in?

What do you guys think?
 
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Exegesis said:
You could argue that it was just Conquests way of taunting Mark.
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Double-posting: Character-wise, I believe it. However, this show has shown time & time again that they'll have characters say things that the writers believe true. Season I Amber & Mark, for example. Acting as if she was justified in her actions at the end & Mark was in the wrong, relationship-wise. Having other characters (like William) chastising Mark for not revealing his deepest secret to some girl he's known for less than a year. I think the comment afterwards about "tasting her blood, again" fit that more. I just don't trust them (Kirkman & co.) not to be genuine in that stance.
 
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