You can tell from the episode ratings people only really care about the Viltrum plotline and fights with Viltrumites, and I can't blame them. Sitting there, slogging through who knows how many C plots just so you can get to the good stuff. The only remotely interesting sideplots is everyone dunking on Nolan when he came back and apologized and Amber's pregnancy, and that subplot turned out to be an entire waste of time because she decided to abort the little guy.
Just remove the pointless C plots and sidemen. Stick with the meat. There's so much fucking bloat, holy shit.
I think the reason why people complain about the sideplots so much is that they are so detached from the main storyline with the Viltrumites. Thinking about it, it could have been somewhat avoided by just making some of the evil randos that our heroes fight be associated with the Viltrumites, which wouldn't even be that much of a stretch since Viltrum uses other races to take over planets. Now that they are less than fifty it would make sense if they would send a few other alien goobers to earth from time to time that our heroes have to fight before finally sending Conquest when they fail.
I think the reason why people complain about the sideplots so much is that they are so detached from the main storyline with the Viltrumites. Thinking about it, it could have been somewhat avoided by just making some of the evil randos that our heroes fight be associated with the Viltrumites, which wouldn't even be that much of a stretch since Viltrum uses other races to take over planets. Now that they are less than fifty it would make sense if they would send a few other alien goobers to earth from time to time that our heroes have to fight before finally sending Conquest when they fail. View attachment 8962221
Or linking the random side enemies with the viltrumite conflict. Like have some of them invade or come to earth to escape the Viltrumites or some Viltrumites show up not to attack earth but to fight some especially dangerous hostile alien lifeform that came to earth to hide, forcing a temporary truce or something like that.
You know make the galaxy and Viltrumite conflict a bit more three dimensional rather than just "Viltrumite bad".
I think the reason why people complain about the sideplots so much is that they are so detached from the main storyline with the Viltrumites. Thinking about it, it could have been somewhat avoided by just making some of the evil randos that our heroes fight be associated with the Viltrumites, which wouldn't even be that much of a stretch since Viltrum uses other races to take over planets. Now that they are less than fifty it would make sense if they would send a few other alien goobers to earth from time to time that our heroes have to fight before finally sending Conquest when they fail. View attachment 8962221
Unironically, comic Nolan's fake history on Viltrumites combined with the gritty quick run of what comic Mark knows about Viltrum makes for a way better past for the viltrumites than what the show did. Here, it makes sense how they became galactic overlords (through showcasing of skill, intelligence, & negotiartion alongside strength). In the show, they're bums who got lucky that none of their conquered people's had any serious bioweapons, psychic powers, or general will to fight back.
All those under show Viltrum are slaves, which showcases Kirkman's lack of understanding of the system he's criticizing. No one anywhere wants a world where everybody is a slave, so everyone is with the rebels. But if some people (of the native population) get higher ranks, priveledge, and the "overall" society benefits, slavery can be excused. Seeing other aliens fight for & wholeheartedly believe Viltrum's rule would hammer down three points:
1) Viltrum is an evil empire
2) People benefit from empires which is how they rise & stay functional
3) These benefits lead to propoganda promoters & jingoistic supporters from foreign planets
It would make viltrumites so much more intimidating, with episodes of "the big bad of the week" being aliens from societies of said places. Puppet rulers put in charge by viltrumites, keeping people happy with bread & circuses. Radical movements overthrowing corrupt governments w/Viltrum's help to only become worse. Societies joining because they have the same creed of strength as god! It would answer the question of why imperialism is considered bad, rather than just "it's bad because people are killing eachother! Or because white men are in charge! Or slavery bad!"
What if there were no slaves & everyone who signed up to join Viltrum did so willingly & excitedly? In their culture, war is life & to rise the ranks or die is an honorable tradition. What if the aliens who rule over their people benefitting from Viltrum were all female? Would a matriarchal society really be better if they promoted such beliefs, as well? What if these slaves were the original slavers of the current species? And this is the first generation to have the roles reversed, then what? You can't really "kumbaya" away generational trauma on that degree, Mark. What about those who joined Viltrum because they were scorned by Thaeddus & friends? Etc etc!
It would have been so much more impactful! So much more creative! It actually would have expanded of the comic with something actually new, to build up to the hype of the war! To explain what Omniman meant by "making Earth a better place" under Viltrumite rule.
But no. Instead, we get nothing. Just generic villains written by a hack who thinks we're too stupid to notice. Kirkman wants us to think that his story is much deeper & more meaningful than it actually is because actually making it so would require thinking & planning & effort. He is a modern comic, not an actually good writer. He wants his celeb VAs, gore porn, & "muh diversity" points. Ugh.
They didn't even include the single best moment Oliver had in the whole war!
I will never forgive No-lawhn. All my homies hate No-lawhn. Rest in piss, whorebastard of Argall!
It's because leftists are so indoctrinated that they can't even steelman or Devil's Advocate ideas they hate. They're incapable of understanding their ideological opponents, and they refuse to try.
Video is a bit old in internet years but accurate https://youtube.com/watch?v=f_kRTw8V1RoAll the show's changes really took away quality and added more problems than there originally were in the comics.
so much fucking more
This video actually reminded me, yeah why the FUCK did Cecil just casually take at face value (what he thinks is) some random, total enigma of a completely sapient robot that can construct pilot multiple models of itself along with several other gadgets, with seemingly no connections to anyone who could build him, then later on turned out to be some guy in a jar who (to them) showed up as a younger replica of another team member through unknown means to them? (I still don't understand how this wasn't an absolutely humongous deal) Did he just assume he was some escaped lab subject and just not care? What if he was secretly some sorta Viltrumite robot spy? Why was he not absolutely tripping over himself to offer rudy (fuck you I'm never calling this guy Rex) resources and a job making equipment for the GDA considering the weird level of trust he just kinda gives the guy? Imagine him controlling suits that have reanimen in them and shit.
This video actually reminded me, yeah why the FUCK did Cecil just casually take at face value (what he thinks is) some random, total enigma of a completely sapient robot that can construct pilot multiple models of itself along with several other gadgets, with seemingly no connections to anyone who could build him, then later on turned out to be some guy in a jar who (to them) showed up as a younger replica of another team member through unknown means to them? (I still don't understand how this wasn't an absolutely humongous deal) Did he just assume he was some escaped lab subject and just not care? What if he was secretly some sorta Viltrumite robot spy? Why was he not absolutely tripping over himself to offer rudy (fuck you I'm never calling this guy Rex) resources and a job making equipment for the GDA considering the weird level of trust he just kinda gives the guy? Imagine him controlling suits that have reanimen in them and shit.
The show tries to act like Cecil is competent, but the comic's lighter tone really gets across what an idiot he actually is. In his backstory of both, he knows from the start Nolan is lying but lets it go because they can use him to keep earth safe. And look how that turned out.
Someone in the /co/ storytime brought up the fact Mark only thinks about working with Dinosaurus exactly because Cecil's own logic he keeps presenting as indisputably right. When you think about it, Nolan spazzing out was his fault because he let the matter slide for so long. And then there's blindly believing Robot and Monster Girl were only gone for a decade at best, trusting the former with the highest position any hero can have relative to him: the guy who broke the Mauler's out of GDA custody for a new body and was lying to everyone from the start.
The show tries to act like Cecil is competent, but the comic's lighter tone really gets across what an idiot he actually is. In his backstory of both, he knows from the start Nolan is lying but lets it go because they can use him to keep earth safe. And look how that turned out.
Someone in the /co/ storytime brought up the fact Mark only thinks about working with Dinosaurus exactly because Cecil's own logic he keeps presenting as indisputably right. When you think about it, Nolan spazzing out was his fault because he let the matter slide for so long. And then there's blindly believing Robot and Monster Girl were only gone for a decade at best, trusting the former with the highest position any hero can have relative to him: the guy who broke the Mauler's out of GDA custody for a new body and was lying to everyone from the start.
Doubleposting:
Cecil is such a waste of a character. None of his decisions make any sense.
- How the fuck in the 20 yrs you have this untrustworthy alien on your planet "working for you" do you fail to create any contingency plans for when he inevitably goes rogue?
- Why do you actively antagonize and aggravate the half human-alien hybrid son of his by equating him to his father, going so far as to insert bioweapons into his brain, but fail to see how that would make him hate you?
- Where the fuck was Hail Mary (or any kaiju for that matter) during the Invincible War/Conquest battles?
- Why are his "elite" heroes so underprepaired? Rex was literally a trained assassin, Kate grew up under government captivity, and Robot is a supergenius! Why are they not locked in?! Same goes for Mark & Eve, how do you fail to properly prepare them for anything?
- Why are the Reanimen even a thing, why not just build fucking robots to do this shit than attach robot parts to bodies? That's a huge waste of time & resources.
- Why are you wasting trillions of dollars teleporting instead of using that money to actually construct defenses against the regular alien invasions you know happen at least once a year? Or fortifying your defense agency building?
- Why do you not simply hire the Maulers to work for you? You clearly have nothing against villains working for you, so why not the guys who can literally clone anyone?
All that + letting this bs with Rudy/Robot slide + keeping Conquest alive. Cecil's competence is proving a greater hindrance to Earth's safety than the actual intergalactic threats. And people actually side with him/consider him intelligent! Unironically, Brit (barring that one boomer moment) was a better leader than Cecil or Immortal ever were!
Ffs, the idea of how the government would actually handle superheroes was done better in the fucking Incredibles.
I wish Show Mark had enough backbone to bring this up when Cecil tried shitting on him for blowing up Viltrum. But I suppose even if Cecil tried and succeeded in finishing him off he'd still be retarded enough to try making a reaniman out of him.
The show tries to act like Cecil is competent, but the comic's lighter tone really gets across what an idiot he actually is. In his backstory of both, he knows from the start Nolan is lying but lets it go because they can use him to keep earth safe. And look how that turned out.
Someone in the /co/ storytime brought up the fact Mark only thinks about working with Dinosaurus exactly because Cecil's own logic he keeps presenting as indisputably right. When you think about it, Nolan spazzing out was his fault because he let the matter slide for so long. And then there's blindly believing Robot and Monster Girl were only gone for a decade at best, trusting the former with the highest position any hero can have relative to him: the guy who broke the Mauler's out of GDA custody for a new body and was lying to everyone from the start.
Following the storytime threads myself, I'm starthing to think the worst thing about the show's writing is it trying too hard to be more serious and deeper than the comics, but the comics were goofy and dumb, and nobody knows how to write anymore, so it's even stupider than the already stupid comics, and we just have to reconcile really stupid story beats and plotholes with all these i'm14andthisisdeep montages with shtity sad music playing over them.
Cecil being rewritten into this responsible tough guy who can take over a superpowered prison all with his wits with contrasts PRETTY hard with the shit his comic self does, and every time there'' a bleedthrough in the writing, it just makes it already existing plotholes even more blatant.
I wish Show Mark had enough backbone to bring this up when Cecil tried shitting on him for blowing up Viltrum. But I suppose even if Cecil tried and succeeded in finishing him off he'd still be retarded enough to try making a reaniman out of him.
Following the storytime threads myself, I'm starthing to think the worst thing about the show's writing is it trying too hard to be more serious and deeper than the comics, but the comics were goofy and dumb, and nobody knows how to write anymore, so it's even stupider than the already stupid comics, and we just have to reconcile really stupid story beats and plotholes with all these i'm14andthisisdeep montages with shtity sad music playing over them.
Cecil being rewritten into this responsible tough guy who can take over a superpowered prison all with his wits with contrasts PRETTY hard with the shit his comic self does, and every time there'' a bleedthrough in the writing, it just makes it already existing plotholes even more blatant.
Wouldnt demons be effective fighters against Viltrumites since most of their weapons and powers would be magic/hell based and thus would easily by pass Viltrumite invulnerability? Not even mentioning most Viltrumites are no doubt dripping in sin so things like Hellfire should def. absolutely melt them like butter.
People keep acting like Superman cant be stopped without Kryptonite when magic and psychic powers have demonstrated to being able to affect him just like anyone else.
Incompetent, corrupt AND malicious as supers would no doubt he used as weapons or be so heavily regulated that they might as well be servants of the government,*
Best case scenario? This bitch is your boss
*A reminder that the Justice League is an entirely private enterprise funded by billionaires and whatever precious resource Aquaman (king of 2/3 of the planet), WonderWoman and Superman can share or create
I think the reason why people complain about the sideplots so much is that they are so detached from the main storyline with the Viltrumites. Thinking about it, it could have been somewhat avoided by just making some of the evil randos that our heroes fight be associated with the Viltrumites, which wouldn't even be that much of a stretch since Viltrum uses other races to take over planets. Now that they are less than fifty it would make sense if they would send a few other alien goobers to earth from time to time that our heroes have to fight before finally sending Conquest when they fail.
That would have been more interesting but that would imply that the Viltrum empire is an actual empire and not just a bunch of space barbarians just lounging around their graveyard of a planet while Conquest does most of the heavy lifting (then having the guts of acting like he is problematic)
Or linking the random side enemies with the viltrumite conflict. Like have some of them invade or come to earth to escape the Viltrumites or some Viltrumites show up not to attack earth but to fight some especially dangerous hostile alien lifeform that came to earth to hide, forcing a temporary truce or something like that.
You know make the galaxy and Viltrumite conflict a bit more three dimensional rather than just "Viltrumite bad".
Maybe have a villain with some ability effective against Viltrumites and thus they need to "recruit" them despite their villainy, leading either to a redemption arc or/and our heroes just having to grind their teeth and accept that its a lesser evil against a greater one, like a Hannibal Lecter type of situation.
This video actually reminded me, yeah why the FUCK did Cecil just casually take at face value (what he thinks is) some random, total enigma of a completely sapient robot that can construct pilot multiple models of itself along with several other gadgets, with seemingly no connections to anyone who could build him, then later on turned out to be some guy in a jar who (to them) showed up as a younger replica of another team member through unknown means to them? (I still don't understand how this wasn't an absolutely humongous deal) Did he just assume he was some escaped lab subject and just not care? What if he was secretly some sorta Viltrumite robot spy? Why was he not absolutely tripping over himself to offer rudy (fuck you I'm never calling this guy Rex) resources and a job making equipment for the GDA considering the weird level of trust he just kinda gives the guy? Imagine him controlling suits that have reanimen in them and shit.
Because Cecil tries to present himself as an Amanda Waller/Nick Fury/Lex Luthor esque figure but these characters are known to be extremely pragmatic, smart and almost never leave anything up to chance, constantly preparing for the worst and, depending on the character and plot, not even bothering hoping for the best.
Problem is that Cecil fails at that because he does rookie mistakes, with the Conquest fiasco being the biggest one, mistakes the characters I mentioned would never do. Now, the act of Conquest being alive and escaping isnt the issue here but its just how easily it happened, implying Cecil had barely any proper preparations when it came to containing one of the strongest beings in the galaxy. Its just inexcusable.
Hell, Lex would let Conquest escape only to reveal it was all part of the plan, either to test some new weapon or because he would want Conquest to bolt back to Viltrum as to learn more about the planet (then test the new weapon there as a "fuck you" to them).
Cecil doesnt lack resources and options soo...
DCAU Lex Luthor would pretty much explain what Cecil lacks
"Imagination"
"I spent $75 million on a fake presidential campaign all just to tick Superman off"
