Law American bully XL dogs to be banned by end of year - Sunak - Ban for dog breed after man killed in attack

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Summary​

  • PM Rishi Sunak says he will ban American XL bully dogs as they are a "danger to our communities"
  • He says they first need to be defined as a breed but will then be banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act by the end of the year
  • It comes after a man died after being mauled by two dogs in Staffordshire
  • The attack happened on Main Street, Stonnall, near Walsall, on Thursday afternoon
  • The breed of dogs involved has not yet been confirmed but Sunak said XL bullies were suspected
  • A man, 30, from Lichfield was arrested on suspicion of having dogs dangerously out of control
  • A recent dog attack on an 11-year-old girl in Birmingham has sparked a debate about banning certain dog breeds

How many people die because of dog bites?​

  • Hospital admissions for dog bites have gradually increased over the past 15 years
  • In 2022 there were 8,819 admissions to hospital in England with dog bites, compared with 4,699 in 2007
  • Ten people in England and Wales died because of dog bite injuries in 2022
  • Four dog breeds are banned in the UK: pit bull terriers, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros
  • Dogs that share physical characteristics to banned breeds – such as cross breeds – are also banned
  • Owning a banned dog can result in an unlimited fine and a prison sentence of up to six months
  • In 2022 there were 482 sentences given to owners of dangerously out of control dogs which resulted in an injury to a person in public
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These are all pitbulls... which one is the argentino?
You're missing the point. They are still separate breeds. Common ancestor or not. All dog breeds share common ancestors with one another. They don't lump other dogs with similar types of heritage together in the statistics. Why do it for pitbulls exclusively? I mean. I know the answer. It's to create a scary looking chart. Were the science actually good, nobody would be frightened by the chart. The whole shitbull thing is manufactured from trash data and it makes people who, one moment seem libertarian enough, cheer for the government to slaughter people's pets, and slaughter the owners if they resist it.
 
You're missing the point. They are still separate breeds. Common ancestor or not. All dog breeds share common ancestors with one another. They don't lump other dogs with similar types of heritage together in the statistics. Why do it for pitbulls exclusively? I mean. I know the answer. It's to create a scary looking chart. Were the science actually good, nobody would be frightened by the chart. The whole shitbull thing is manufactured from trash data and it makes people who, one moment seem libertarian enough, cheer for the government to slaughter people's pets, and slaughter the owners if they resist it.
No they aren't, they're mutts.

There's no such thing as a purebred Argentino because the genes are so muddled with other dogs that it is literally considered a mutt with predominantly molosser pittie genes.
In a DNA test, each argeninto would vary greatly in the percentages (unlike an actual established purebred) because it's a modgepodge of different dogs into a mutt. They're routinely mixed with other dogs that causes too great a fluctuation in DNA percentages for you to successfully collect enough DNA to define an 'argentino' in a DNA test. The microsatellite marker analysis tests are bullshit for a dog like this.

No, dogs don't all share common ancestors. Despite the myth, dogs did not descend from the gray wolf (canis lupus). They descended from two different wolf species have since gone extinct but are NOT gray wolf. Two different species has made different breeds. Not all from one common ancestor. It's why canis lupus familiaris has gone out of style in favor of canis familiaris—all because dogs didn't actually descend from canis lupus.

I will humor you, though. Here's the list of molosser dogs. I count 14 that descended from bullfighting dogs. Even if you divide 3397 attacks by 15, that's 226 attacks per sub-breed of pitbull. That's beaten by only one dog, the rottweiler

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I wager if they combined bite records of all types of dogs into their respective breed groups (eg. Chesapeake Bay Retriever, Curly-Coated Retriever, Flat-Coated Retriever, Golden Retriever, and Labrador Retriever all fitting into one Retriever group; German Shepherd, Caucasian Shepherd, etc into Shepherd group; APBD, XL bully, Argentino,etc. into Pitbull group), that the pitbull group would still be leagues higher.

The other dog attacks from other breeds can specifically be explained by poor training OR defending, as none of the other breeds on the list have been frequently documented to have hair-trigger out-of-nowhere attack behaviors like pitbulls do (even Argentinos have hair-trigger prey drive despite being such a mutt). Remember that people who are buying pitbulls generally don't know what type of pitbull it is. Just that it's a pitbull. And no matter what kind of pitbull, it never fails that THIS SHIT WILL HAPPEN OUT OF NOWHERE. Dog went straight for the face as pits are genetically predisposed to doing. Easily could have grabbed the arm but it went for the face. That's genetic. Find me 10 videos of one other non-pit breed doing this out of nowhere for no reason and I'll change my mind. Find me another video where a non-pitbull mindlessly goes after a boar even after it GUTS THE DOG. Find me a video where a nonpitbull attacks a fucking tiger (note how it went straight for the face like the grandma video). Show me a non-pitbull that doesn't stop trying to attack when shot multiple times in the head.

Come back once you've read the entirety of the Bull Pit Megathread.
 
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