Manosphere Amud - The Balloon Loon, Loveshy Extraordinaire

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Would you mind elaborating on how eradicating diseases and improving the quality of life for billions of people is 'more harm than good'? I'm not exactly sure where you're coming from here.

There shouldn't be billions of people, and we shouldn't be using artificial chemicals, radiation, and so on. Primitive hunter-gatherers are much happier, since they gain transcendence through their basic living experience. Everything they do is truly worthwhile.

Number three. That last bit.

Care to explain what that means in layman's terms?

As I've already established, the fossil record does not indicate that there was ever a replacement of Neanderthals with a new population (so-called humans). Instead, there was a gradual transition from robust, large-brained, harmonious-skulled Neanderthals to weak, small-brained, craggy-skulled, retruded-faced "modern" humans. The factors at play were:

1. new technology like farming, villages, and medicine allowed inferior people to survive and reproduce
2. this technology also led to facial adenization
3. there was likely some gene flow of other, less-advanced hominids from other parts of the world which further lowered the quality of the Neanderthal gene pool

The end result was us. Sure is a lot to be proud of, huh?

"I do accept that barter is a foolish, impractical system for anything bigger than a hippy dippy kiwi farm."
"I think living in a very primitive society that has no need for money is superior to using some kind of modern economics system. It is by far the lesser of two evils."


Sorry buddy, but you contradicted yourself in these statements. I hoped you would quickly correct yourself but you for some reason didn't. You can't say you think barter is a foolish impractical system when applied to larger more complex economic systems and then claim that living in a very primitive society is superior to using a more modern economic system.

"It inevitably leads to big economies and big governments which have corruption, stealing, bank leaching, and so on."


Why is it inevitable? Why does it lead to big governments and economies? It is certainly possible but speaking in absolutes does not help you. I will not deny the issues big governments and economies can cause but you are dismissing them out of hand without considering the drawbacks of bartering as well as considering the current status-quo of the 21st century.

The reason that countries need these more complex economic systems is because of economic globalization, that is the inevitable increasing economic integration and interdependence of national, regional and local economies across the world through an intensification of cross-border movement of goods, services, technologies and capital.

This is an over-simplification, but when some countries desire resources from others that are crucial to keep their economies running, a flow of trade between countries is often required to keep their current resources as well as innovation and technology from becoming stagnant and/or dwindling. More efficient economic systems are able to facilitate creation of new technologies because of faster, greater amount of resources that are able to travel farther.

Okay, but I don't think we should have any of that stuff. I'd rather not have globalization or more technology.

Okay, rotated makes me sense to me than twisted. So your maxilla and zygomatic bones are rotated in two different directions?
Okay, so I'm just going to play along for a moment. You have your maxilla and zygomatic bones rotated in two different directions. Inflating finger cots up your nose is the clear solution. So here are some questions:
1. How do you know how much pressure you need to realign these bones?
2. How do you figure out where to apply this pressure so the bones actually align properly?
3. How do you work out how many inflated finger cots this will take in order to have a successful realignment?

1. I feel a sensation of movement and expansion inside my skull
2. I just do it in all 6 turbinates
3. I have no idea. It will probably never re-align all the way, only by a tiny amount.

Anything that could reasonably be described as "de-evolution" is, really, just evolution, which refers to changes in the frequency of certain types of genes in populations over time. When a population of cave fish loses its eyes, that's evolution, not "de-evolution." When sea-dwelling whales evolved from a population of land-dwelling mammals which had, itself, evolved from sea-dwelling animals, that's still just evolution.

Fair enough. Evolution is not always a good thing, though.

Thank you for those answers, Amud.

I think @GeorgeDaMoose has asked some good follow-up questions that are consistent with my line of inquiry

The only question I would like to add to his is:
4. What is your specific indicator of success for this procedure?

I don't know.

This seems to contradict itself quite seriously.

If you acknowledge that barter is a foolish, impractical system for anything larger than a small commune, how is living in a "very primitive" society superior to modern economics?

As I said in my original post, modern economics has allowed our species to travel to other worlds. You can't build a space shuttle with barter.

How would your alternative system handle something as expensive and complicated as a space program, which requires huge resources and many very individuals with highly specialised skills?

How would your alternative system allow individuals to specialise, as money does? What I mean by this is; in my original example, I could focus entirely on kiwi farming because the medium of exchange I used was essentially sorted. In your system, how would computer programmers, bioengineers, chemists, etc earn a living?

If your system would rather we not have those, there are very prominent "return to agriculture" social systems that have sprung up in recent memory, such as the Khmer Rouge. In many ways, your philosophy is eerily similar. The Khmer Rouge despised education and had educated people executed. They also held in high esteem the various primitive mountain tribes (as you seem to hold primitive societies in high esteem). The Khmer Rouge's social policy focused on working towards a purely agrarian society.

Would you say that this is an accurate representation of the government system you want to create?

I would absolutely not kill educated people.

@Amud - what evidence do you have to show you have a "superior immune system"? Why do you believe this?

I don't really get illnesses or infections at all. Most people get a cold every few weeks or so and get the flu every year despite getting flu shots.

According to this post, he's claiming himself to be at least 50% chinless weakling, 25% big-nosed caveman, and 25% bloated-cranium elf. Seems like probably a combination that women wouldn't find attractive.

You forgot my twisted maxilla.
 
There shouldn't be billions of people, and we shouldn't be using artificial chemicals, radiation, and so on. Primitive hunter-gatherers are much happier, since they gain transcendence through their basic living experience. Everything they do is truly worthwhile.

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As I've already established, the fossil record does not indicate that there was ever a replacement of Neanderthals with a new population (so-called humans). Instead, there was a gradual transition from robust, large-brained, harmonious-skulled Neanderthals to weak, small-brained, craggy-skulled, retruded-faced "modern" humans. The factors at play were:

1. new technology like farming, villages, and medicine allowed inferior people to survive and reproduce
2. this technology also led to facial adenization
3. there was likely some gene flow of other, less-advanced hominids from other parts of the world which further lowered the quality of the Neanderthal gene pool

The end result was us. Sure is a lot to be proud of, huh?

Do you have sources that might support this hypothesis?

Also, if Africans have no Neanderthal DNA, and Europeans and Asians have a small amount, with your proclamations of Neanderthal supremacy, does this mean Africans are inferior to Europeans and Asians?
 
Do you have sources that might support this hypothesis?


Also, if Africans have no Neanderthal DNA, and Europeans and Asians have a small amount, with your proclamations of Neanderthal supremacy, does this mean Africans are inferior to Europeans and Asians?

Not really, it's just obvious from looking at the fossil record. It's a well-known fact that people physically deteriorated during the Neolithic.

As for Africans, I'd rather not make blanket statements about any race. You can find Africans who are far superior to the typical European or Asian.

@Amud - Do you consider Oscar Wilde to be more than 50% Adenid?

Yes, he looks predominantly Adenid. However, we must remember than Adenid morphology is mostly caused by the environment, not genetics, so having a strong Adenid component doesn't necessarily make a person inferior.

Have you considered seeing an orthodontist, by the way, instead of sticking balloons up your nose?

I have not. Orthodontists are mostly quacks. For example, they give people braces, extractions, and headgear, which are known to cause Adenification, but they do not care and pretend it doesn't happen.



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@Amud are you aware that a lot of people find people who go through plastic surgery or other procedures to look unnatural? Have you considered that, even if you had access to the best plastic surgery money can buy, you still wouldn't look the way you want? We've all seen people who've had too much work done. It doesn't look natural or sexy, they look like plastic freak people.
 
Have you considered seeing an orthodontist, by the way, instead of sticking balloons up your nose?

If there was anything wrong with his maxillary structure, the person to fix it would be a surgical otorhinolaryngologist. Orthodontists don't usually work above the palate.

But "neurocranial restructuring" and homeopathy isn't?

This is the weirdest thing to me about this kind of crazy; people who have spent 12 or more years (college, med school, residency, fellowship) training to perform highly specialized medical procedures are "quacks", but some dude with a website encouraging you to huff fingercots is a genius.
 
Not really, it's just obvious from looking at the fossil record. It's a well-known fact that people physically deteriorated during the Neolithic.

As for Africans, I'd rather not make blanket statements about any race. You can find Africans who are far superior to the typical European or Asian.

How is it obvious? I'm no archaeologist, it's not really obvious to me. Again, would you care to explain without resorting to circular reasoning?
 
Yes, he looks predominantly Adenid. However, we must remember than Adenid morphology is mostly caused by the environment, not genetics, so having a strong Adenid component doesn't necessarily make a person inferior.
How did you determine that adenidism is "mostly caused by environment, not genetics"?

Why can't environment make someone inferior?
 
1. I feel a sensation of movement and expansion inside my skull
2. I just do it in all 6 turbinates
3. I have no idea. It will probably never re-align all the way, only by a tiny amount.

Okay so sensation and expansion is a sign of progress, you inflate them in your turbinates, and you don't know how many cots you actually need to successfully carry out this procedure. So here's my main issue with this.
1. Sensation of movement isn't definite proof of movement. Any sort of sensation is also not proof of you applying correct pressure inside your nose.
2. From what I've read, pressure should be applied past the tubinates for a successful neurocranial reconstruction. This information just comes from a few minutes of studying about it on the internet so I'm no expert on the procedure. But neither are you so I'd be very careful.
3. You have no idea what the end result of this procedure should be as indicated by your answer to Kablamo's question. In the event that inflating finger cots up your nose actually does something, you could actually just be fucking up the position of your maxilla (and other bones) instead of fixing it.
So here's my suggestion: Consult an actual NCR doctor about this instead of taking this into your own hands. They should be able to check the position of your bones and properly reposition them. In the event that you cannot see a doctor for this, just stop trying to take matters into your own hands. You could end up hurting yourself.

I also have two more questions based on your reply to another forum member.
I would absolutely not kill educated people.
In a few previous posts you mentioned a disdain you held towards the education system and the process of peer review. However, even though you don't approve of the system, you still attend community college.
1. Why do you still attend school if you don't believe in the benefits of it?
2. Would there be education at all in your ideal society and if so how would it be handled?
 
What environmental factors are responsible for "twisting" people's maxillary structures? What environmental factor(s) do you think were responsible in your case?

"Neurocranial Restructuring" is a chiropractic* technique, btw. Otorhinolaryngologists only deal with the stuff that goes wrong afterwards.

*Naturopaths also do it, apparently; it was invented by a naturopath.These people are not actual qualified doctors! This stuff can fuck you up!

I mean, Amud isn't going to listen, but anybody here who might think this is an actual medical thing because these chiropractors and naturopaths call themselves "doctor", be wary.
 
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However, we must remember than Adenid morphology is mostly caused by the environment, not genetics, so having a strong Adenid component doesn't necessarily make a person inferior.

You initially claimed that this chart was your attempt at a racial classification. Saying that a racial classification is mostly the result of environment on an individual seems to me about the same as suggesting that a black man who moves to Canada will magically become white. How exactly do you justify that inconsistency?

Are you just going easy on the chinless-wonder race because you're a self-professed member of that category?

Most people get a cold every few weeks or so and get the flu every year despite getting flu shots.

What kind of unhealthy people have you been hanging around who get a cold that frequently?

I've gotten the flu twice in my life and haven't gotten a cold for the past few years. Am I a superior neanderthal now too?
 
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