Andrew Torba / Gab (Gab.com / Gab.ai) / Dissenter (dissenter.com) - An incompetent captain sinking millions of other people's dollars.

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As if free expression is not of equal importance.
Never said that, ya fuckin tard. My argument is that words and concepts are distinct and have a purpose. If you conflate free speech and free expression as the exact same thing you're fucking autistic. They serve the same purpose, yes, but they are not the exact same thing.
 
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Sargon had elevated Gab to the rank of martyr like Alex Jones and now we got another Streisand effect.

This is like how academics denied the Khmer rouge to defend their pet cause of communism.

Defending batshit insane people while somehow ignoring evidence as it piles up.

Never said that, ya fuckin tard. My argument is that words and concepts are distinct and have a purpose. If you conflate free speech and free expression as the exact same thing you're fucking autistic.

Nothing is lost by doing so.

Legally, there is literally no reason to distinguish between the two.
 
This is like how academics denied the Khmer rouge to defend their pet cause of communism.

Defending batshit insane people while somehow ignoring evidence as it piles up.



Nothing is lost by doing so.

Legally, there is literally no reason to distinguish between the two.
For purposes of legal protection, no. For purposes of accuracy, yes. For instance, if I decided to wipe my ass with a copy of the constitution that would not entail speaking whatsoever. If I decided to say "fuck the constitution" it would be both speech and expression. Speech is a form of expression, but not all forms of expression are speech.
If the first amendment only protected "Freedom of Speech" specifically you'd quickly find the government exploiting the letter of the law and capable of banning forms of expression which aren't speech.
 
There’s a reason why Paypal and Square have been the only major new players in the industry in decades - it’s an absurdly complex industry with a deep moat to keep out new upstarts.

It's not even just this; money transfers are exceptionally opaque because if you knew how they worked you could reverse engineer some way to steal shitloads of money, it has to be opaque and niche and exceptionally secure because it's the biggest and most obvious target for cybercrimes. This means the moment he's in the industry he's a target as what is likely the weakest transfer service and would probably get gangraped by every serious hacker.

Even if he somehow found a way to make the transfer service it would be completely subpar and either no one would use it because it has no definite advantage over existing services or it would be used by Al Qeada and similar to move money around since it'll be a "free speech" transfer service and then Torba gets swatted by the CIA, then probably strung up by Trump himself.

The best chance would probably be to have the thing mine bitcoin in your browser or just invasive ads for porn since everyone using the site is a 30 year old loser anyways.
 
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There's a lot of problems with Gab, but what damns it, specifically, is a couple of core tenets that make its goal, for all intents and purposes, a failure before execution. Some of these aren't Gab's fault, but many are, so let's go over both briefly and discuss it in detail:

First, since it's a way shorter list and is an example of some shit they really can't do anything about, let's start with the issues Gab has that aren't its fault:

1. Agitators for Deplatforming:
Let's be fair here, and not use hyperbole - we know for a fact that there are dozens of organizations and individuals out there that quite literally do nothing but aggressively try to get any viewpoint they don't like permanently shut down. The most aggressive and egregious of these, naturally, are far-left, as indicated by the fact that one such group ran a fucking campaign of terror against Gab targeting Stripe for months, but this is not a requirement, and there's a few especially notable individuals who are willing to wage a one-man war against a website to shut it down need be. These groups and individuals have no concept of restraint and are completely amoral, and will not rest until whatever it is that they have a bug up their ass about is shut the fuck down, or becomes somehow immune to standard interdiction tactics. And since they have no responsibilities and no jobs or life off Social Media, they have plenty of time to do it in. Bear in mind as well that some of these zero-life fucktards also happen to work at some of the platformholders' companies, and you have a situation where anything that can be tamped down on will.

2. Open Monopolization of Platforms:
Twitter hasn't made money in almost a decade. Facebook is mediocre. Youtube gets worse all the time. All three platforms seem to be on a years-long crusade to fail as much as humanly possible, and that's a situation that's begging to be exploited by those who know what they're doing. Yet despite the fact that all three of these platforms fucking suck, no alternative platform ever manages to last for too long against them, even when the alternative is infinitely better. While there's many other factors into this happening (such as the new platform being run by idiots, which Torba nicely proved, and I will be covering below), a massive problem they face is that these companies can and will throttle any competitor. How they do so varies, from subtle (altering search results) to blatant (openly breaking the law and/or financing category 1 above). Don't pretend this isn't happening when Google just paid out 2.7 Billion in an antitrust suit just last year over this shit. Fuck, we saw during recent documents from Google and shit during the Damore case that they were actively trying to strangle out alternatives. The big three have de facto control over Social Media, and, surely by coincidence, they're all headquartered in the same area, staffed by the same psychotic bumblefucks, push the same agenda, pay for the same ideologues, and have the same vested interest in seeing any competitor crash and burn. Only legislation or a newcomer platform getting so big they can't interdict it (ideally during a particularly hard fail cycle from the big three) is gonna help here, I'm afraid. Worse, the latter is completely unlikely to happen so long as payment processors are getting pressured.


Now let's talk about the ones Gab did have the ability to do something about:

1. Being Run By A Blithering Idiot
Andrew "Everything I don't Like Is Libel" Torba is, if not an out-and-out Lolcow, certainly a Lolcalf. Between constantly engaging in Twitter and Facebook slap-fights, showing Bob's Game levels of Autism in regards to sparring with Apple and other sites that removed Gab from their stores, and basically acting like a dick and completely disregarding common sense, the dude practically was begging for a thread. This is, ironically, not a rare trend. Many otherwise-solid platforms get undermined or fucked over solely because someone bug-fuck insane was at the helm. Many times these insane idiots at the helm also help make the platform easier to attack, and that also happened in the case of Gab.
How this Could Have Been Mitigated: Hiring people who knew what the fuck they were doing and allow them to do their fucking jobs, for one. Learning to take criticism and staying the fuck off Social Media was another. Firing Torba would have also helped.

2. Failing to Heed Proper Warnings
Null warned Torba about some of the shit he could have expected when Gab was operating, and if anyone has a fucking right to give advice about the sort of assholes who might try to interdict a website, it's fucking Null after the whole shit with Vordy and friends. However, Null wasn't the only one giving warnings, nor was the deplatforming brigade the only thing to give warnings about; fucking countless people warned Torba of hundreds of different issues Gab was facing, and Torba took took steps to correct approximately none of them. While I'm sure that this plays into Torba being a fucking massive egoboo, the dude was infamously bad with security problems Gab had. Between shit like having multiple glaring site vulnerabilities (which Torba denied, banned anyone who brought them up, then attempted to patch them out, badly, before rinsing and repeating), giving Gab access to your Twitter application if you ran it via mobile (smooth), and giving any moron with a basic knowledge of scripting being able to farm the personal information of its userbase, Torba repeatedly failed to heed any warning given and deny that anything was wrong allthewhile. Yes, even when Gab had the payment info of countless users stolen. Don't worry, it gets funnier; Gab's security was so fucking incompetent that it culminated with the entire verified donor list being leaked on Pastebin.
How this Could Have Been Mitigated: As covered above, Torba's massive ego and complete incapacity to deal with issues helped wreck Gab's reputation long before the deplatforming brigade shut their ass down. A common joke among people who experimentally used Gab was "try to find the logout button," and that persisted for over a fucking year. Hiring additional staff, listening to user complaints, working backup systems into the mix, and focusing on improving the platform as a whole would have helped, as would have firing Torba.

3. Correct and Incorrect Marketing
Torba marketed Gab as "Twitter, but for free speech." This was a fucking terrible idea. The second you announced that, the deplatforming brigade knows that they can frame you as a Nazi, and considering that said individuals think Jack Dorsey is a fucking Nazi, Gab wasn't wriggling out of this one. As a consequence, Gab wound up mostly absorbing the castoffs from Twitter that nobody wanted in the fucking first place. Every /pol/tard too Autistic for 4chan, every Homer who's been banned dozens of times for skirmishing with Twitter Feminists, and every asshat who thinks they're the next big name in SJW opposition flocked there, overwhelming most of the platform with horse-shit that then proceeded to echo-chamber until it dominated the fucking platform. By the time Gab ran aground, it was 70% /pol/ hugbox and 20% Twitter Expats who'd been banned. Even under the best circumstances, "Gab is for Nazis" had struck, and with Torba doing basically nothing to instill confidence, shit snowballed.
How this Could Have Been Mitigated: Messaging was critical here, and the second Gab had "Twitter, but free speech" as its tagline, it was going to be billed as a hate-site. Constant policy changes that only eroded its claim to be pro free-speech didn't help. Again, this is an area Torba fucked up. Billing the site as "Twitter, but with an actually accountable staff and better features" would have been nice, but again, Torba fucked that up too by making Gab a downgrade. Ultimately firing Torba would have helped a lot.
 
Agreed on everything but the "free speech" thing. You can't just abandon that entirely because some bunch of shrieking dipshits claim free speech is Nazism, even when it does mean you'll be overrun by /pol/ to some extent. That might even go on for years. The problem is that's always going to be a niche market.

It doesn't mean the platform otherwise has to be complete shit, just that it has to be secure and bulletproof to weather the inevitable.
 
Agreed on everything but the "free speech" thing. You can't just abandon that entirely because some bunch of shrieking dipshits claim free speech is Nazism, even when it does mean you'll be overrun by /pol/ to some extent. That might even go on for years. The problem is that's always going to be a niche market.

It doesn't mean the platform otherwise has to be complete shit, just that it has to be secure and bulletproof to weather the inevitable.

The point isn't that it isn't important. It's that he could have marketed it as "Twitter but not shit" and it probably would have done better.
 
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The point isn't that it isn't important. It's that he could have marketed it as "Twitter but not shit" and it probably would have done better.
I think marketing it as a free speech is really what killed it. It gave the site a specific point that people flock to use. It'd be like the chans saying we're anonymous, but then banned everyone that didn't tripfag. Twitter but better does leave it open, and doesn't turn away people who aren't Nazis or lolis.

Same reason why things like Candid flopped. They said its this cool place where you can say what you want. Then they took that away from people. (Also the whole 'we're going to use our data to aggregate harmful responses and create a robot to rule over the internet' thing didn't help) Even if that didn't happen the site would have lost pretty much everyone they advertised to in less than a year.
 
I think marketing it as a free speech is really what killed it. It gave the site a specific point that people flock to use. It'd be like the chans saying we're anonymous, but then banned everyone that didn't tripfag. Twitter but better does leave it open, and doesn't turn away people who aren't Nazis or lolis.

Same reason why things like Candid flopped. They said its this cool place where you can say what you want. Then they took that away from people. (Also the whole 'we're going to use our data to aggregate harmful responses and create a robot to rule over the internet' thing didn't help) Even if that didn't happen the site would have lost pretty much everyone they advertised to in less than a year.

Gab is actually terrifyingly similar to an Anontalk situation, where some dude claims he's going to make an even better version of an existing site, only it will have hookers and blackjack, specifically because of a policy change its insane head disagreed with (in this Anontalk's case, a ban on loli content). They have the same origin in someone else's work (Gab off github; Anontalk was an unauthorized clone of Tinychan), and both billed themselves the same way - as the free-est of the free speech zones, when in actuality both sites were beholden to the whims of a complete idiot who barely knew how to keep a site functional. Both collected fucktons of userdata and had the security of wet newspaper slicked with vaseline. Both similarly became hotbeds for a part of the internet nobody fucking wanted, as well (Pedophiles for AnonTalk, Nazis for Gab).
 
Gab is actually terrifyingly similar to an Anontalk situation, where some dude claims he's going to make an even better version of an existing site, only it will have hookers and blackjack, specifically because of a policy change its insane head disagreed with (in this Anontalk's case, a ban on loli content). They have the same origin in someone else's work (Gab off github; Anontalk was an unauthorized clone of Tinychan), and both billed themselves the same way - as the free-est of the free speech zones, when in actuality both sites were beholden to the whims of a complete idiot who barely knew how to keep a site functional. Both collected fucktons of userdata and had the security of wet newspaper slicked with vaseline. Both similarly became hotbeds for a part of the internet nobody fucking wanted, as well (Pedophiles for AnonTalk, Nazis for Gab).
Did IronMarch go down or something? Why are Nazis looking to find a new site when there are entire forums full of people dedicated to the topic? Why not stay in their circles and let average normies lie?
 
Social media as a concept is a cancer on our society imo. But regardless of what biases they have towards certain ideologies, they still have to enforce some standards of behavior on their platforms in order to maintain a user base. People get banned from Twitter and Facebook for reasons that are often arbitrary and stupid, but often not.

What Torba has done is essentially invited people who were obvious pariahs on the internet(and likely irl) onto Gab, while creating an environment that not only re-enforced their delusions, but gave them added encouragement by making people feel as though they were patriotic Americans fighting against tyranny.

In addition to that, Andrew is a sperg of the highest caliber, which is why he failed to establish a career in Silicon Valley in the first place. He has no earthly clue as to how to build or run a website, secure it, and handle the responsibility of it. He can play the victim all he wants, but at the end of the day this is a situation of his own making.
 
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Mostly because there's almost no other way to express such views in the current information infrastructure but to rely on certain large corporations.
Give me a break. I have more freedom of expression than anyone at any time in history. I have spent the last fifteen years online as an anonymous cunt, saying whatever the fuck I want and knowing that I can summon a sock account anywhere I get banned and sitting behind various IPs, now provided by VPNs, or, if I choose, I can go and use TOR hidden services safe in my layers of cryptography.

Try doing any of this in your local pub.

What people are whining about are false entitlements to the signal boost of inscrutable algorithms on social networking sites and the network effects that enable certain folk to go viral for retardation. Sometimes, those folk get kicked off platforms, but who the fuck cares? They weren't there by merit in the first place. Sargon of Akkad, for example, is an uneducated dipshit. If he gets kicked off of all platforms, I'm not shedding a tear. He didn't deserve to be on them in the first place, any more than any other uneducated dipshit I meet in the street.

No-one is forced to pay attention to these pricks, and places like kiwifarms gives me an opportunity to laugh at them. That's why the internet is still (for now) awesome.
 
Honestly, if he has trouble finding a host why doesn't he start up his own with GabCoin?
 
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