Andrew Torba / Gab (Gab.com / Gab.ai) / Dissenter (dissenter.com) - An incompetent captain sinking millions of other people's dollars.

[Übertroon]

Honestly, if he has trouble finding a host why doesn't he start up his own with GabCoin?

Speaking of which. This has been going on for some time where people aren't allowed to use something as ubiquitous as VISA, and the argument being "create your own payment platform." In a just world people espousing this argument would instantly have their VISA cards blocked and be told when trying to use it to start their own payment platform

Facebook doesn't use fucking azure or joyent for their hosting.

I never mentioned azure or joyent.

 

[JustStopDude]

In a just world people espousing this argument would instantly have their VISA cards blocked and be told when trying to use it to start their own payment platform

Go to Europe with a Visa card...you get the same experience. My work card is visa and I fucking hate trying to use it in EU. It is as useful as fucking rupees in many locations.

This whole de-platform thing to me comes to money in my opinon. Gab wishes to use services, they must pay enough where PR nightmare is worth it for providers. Problem is, Gab can't afford this. You want controversy...you must pay.

So next idea is to mandate government get involved to force companies to provide services to Gab. I personally think this is very slippery slope. I think US used to have something like "friendly doctrine" or something where if any political material was shown on TV or radio, opposing view must get equal time.

How would this work for payment processors and web hosting? Would then everyone must get hosting and access no matter what? Would it be up to a government agency to decide if one is allow access to services? I am not smart enough to understand legal basis for this. And could you image shit storm if under president Obama, this idea was suggested? Let's say the GOP passes legislation to support Gab. What is to prevent the Dems in power to use same legislation to abuse power?

I think easiest thing is for Gab to make enough money where they can afford services or they figure something else out. Demanding protection from the government seems dead on arrival.

Edit: I am idiot. I look it up. It is "Fairness Doctrine". This used to be requirement in US.

 

[Richard Stabone]

Speaking of which. This has been going on for some time where people aren't allowed to use something as ubiquitous as VISA, and the argument being "create your own payment platform." In a just world people espousing this argument would instantly have their VISA cards blocked and be told when trying to use it to start their own payment platform

What service was he using that's as ubiquitous as VISA? There are hundreds, maybe thousands of payment processors out there. There are thousands upon thousands of web hosts.

Regardless, what is it you think should be done? Decide that having a Paypal merchant account is a constitutional right?

 

[TaInTeDtAcO]

The Gab developer page is still up. Brilliant.

 

[Slap47]

Give me a break. I have more freedom of expression than anyone at any time in history. I have spent the last fifteen years online as an anonymous cunt, saying whatever the fuck I want and knowing that I can summon a sock account anywhere I get banned and sitting behind various IPs, now provided by VPNs, or, if I choose, I can go and use TOR hidden services safe in my layers of cryptography.

Try doing any of this in your local pub.

What people are whining about are false entitlements to the signal boost of inscrutable algorithms on social networking sites and the network effects that enable certain folk to go viral for exceptionalism. Sometimes, those folk get kicked off platforms, but who the fuck cares? They weren't there by merit in the first place. Sargon of Akkad, for example, is an uneducated dipshit. If he gets kicked off of all platforms, I'm not shedding a tear. He didn't deserve to be on them in the first place, any more than any other uneducated dipshit I meet in the street.

No-one is forced to pay attention to these pricks, and places like kiwifarms gives me an opportunity to laugh at them. That's why the internet is still (for now) awesome.

Can't say I'm a fan of tards and "skeptics" putting themselves infront of free speech causes and making the idea look retarded but I'd rather there be some public place in the world where people can say whatever they want. The USA and the digital sphere is the only place where this happens and what these places have is worth defending.

Being a sperg on the internet should be every-bodies right, not just the privilege of a few skilled techs.

 

[Spellskite]

It’s hilarious how he genuinely thinks El Donaldo gives a single shit about him and his website.

I'm reminded of all those jokes about black people thinking Obama would come in to solve their every problem.

 

[misterduckford]

I'm reminded of all those jokes about black people thinking Obama would come in to solve their every problem.

The biggest one being, arguably, he only made them worse.

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

I'm reminded of all those jokes about black people thinking Obama would come in to solve their every problem.

I've always kind of considered Trump to be the more retarded fringes of the right's Obama.

Really fucking dumb black people thought Obama was just gonna give them free money somehow.
Really fucking dumb white people thought Trump was going to bring an end to SJWism/kill all the Jews/insert fringe right wing view point here.

 

[Mrs Paul]

It might be only the tip of the iceberg. Now Ann Coulter put her pinch of salt about Gab and the NY Times.
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1056700110661271552

Is she even relevant anymore? I don't think I've heard much from Coulter in a while.

 

[The Reaper]

Can't say I'm a fan of tards and "skeptics" putting themselves infront of free speech causes and making the idea look exceptional but I'd rather there be some public place in the world where people can say whatever they want. The USA and the digital sphere is the only place where this happens and what these places have is worth defending.

Being a sperg on the internet should be every-bodies right, not just the privilege of a few skilled techs.

We used to have these in real-life. They were called the smoking section of restaurants. Then they outlawed the smoking section.

 

[14⚡⚡ weev ⚡⚡88]

Did IronMarch go down or something? Why are Nazis looking to find a new site when there are entire forums full of people dedicated to the topic? Why not stay in their circles and let average normies lie?

Yes, the FSB beat up Slavros and disallowed him from using the internet for the foreseeable future, Ironmarch is dead

 

[Jaimas]

Give me a break. I have more freedom of expression than anyone at any time in history. I have spent the last fifteen years online as an anonymous cunt, saying whatever the fuck I want and knowing that I can summon a sock account anywhere I get banned and sitting behind various IPs, now provided by VPNs, or, if I choose, I can go and use TOR hidden services safe in my layers of cryptography.

Try doing any of this in your local pub.

What people are whining about are false entitlements to the signal boost of inscrutable algorithms on social networking sites and the network effects that enable certain folk to go viral for exceptionalism. Sometimes, those folk get kicked off platforms, but who the fuck cares? They weren't there by merit in the first place. Sargon of Akkad, for example, is an uneducated dipshit. If he gets kicked off of all platforms, I'm not shedding a tear. He didn't deserve to be on them in the first place, any more than any other uneducated dipshit I meet in the street.

No-one is forced to pay attention to these pricks, and places like kiwifarms gives me an opportunity to laugh at them. That's why the internet is still (for now) awesome.

Two important points:

1. You're on the Farms. While we're not a social media platform, we have seen systemic efforts to shut this site down for years. Whether it's Liz-Fong Jones arguing Google should delist us (as a Google employee), Greta and company trying to complain to Cloudflare about us (and subsequently Cloudflare changing their fucking policies to defend them), or Vordrak pulling a supreme act of dickery, almost every tactic used to strategically deplatform voices that certain groups don't like either has, currently is, or is going to be used against us. The payment processor attacks? Yeah, we saw that a few years back. Complete blacklisting by crowdfunding sites? Ditto. Threats to our hosts? Saw that too. Basically, anything that they do to shut down some random sperg is something they're going to try to do to other people down the line. No one in this thread honestly cares about Gab, but they sure as shit care about the fact that there were teams of shitheads provably agitating for it to be shut down for over a year.

2. Egoboos like Sargon being able to sperg out to their heart's content is good for us, as well. That shit just gives us stuff to cover, our teams stuff to mock, and crap like Jim's skirmishing with the guy to laugh at. That's fresh lolmilk, right from the cow. There's also the knock-on effect: I know I've said this in the past over Lolcows like Jeremy Hambly and DarkSydePhil, but the TL;DR is that all of the above Youtube cows reliably produce, impossibly, even bigger Lolcows, either by trying to oppose them or trying to exploit them. That's some of the best content for us, and couldn't exist without these guys being the gigantic Autists that they are in full view of the public.

 

[The Reaper]

Yes, the FSB beat up Slavros and disallowed him from using the internet for the foreseeable future, Ironmarch is dead

And nothing has moved in to replace it yet? That's pretty crazy actually. Where did the diaspora that caused end up? Did they go back to image boards or was Gab the replacement?

 

[techno-confederate]

Save me god emperor Trump, they are trying to shut me down because I allow mentally ill terrorists to plan violence on my platform and intentionally don't enforce the TOS to keep the userbase large

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

Yes, the FSB beat up Slavros and disallowed him from using the internet for the foreseeable future, Ironmarch is dead

You've said that the problem is that you don't have enough people who know how to do this at scale. Why don't you train a bunch of people so they can launch a hosting service and do consulting?
You could have servers somewhere that they don't care and just hop around us hosting companies for CDN edge, and load balancers. You could charge a lot but your clients could host the rest of their resources anywhere. Nobody will get kicked off aws for running a database.

 

[Pozzingmyfilthyneghole]

And nothing has moved in to replace it yet? That's pretty crazy actually. Where did the diaspora that caused end up? Did they go back to image boards or was Gab the replacement?

I bet those idiots are on Discord.

 

[Slimy Time]

I bet those idiots are on Discord.

>GOVERNMENT PLEASE HELP!
>ACADEMICS PLEASE RESPOND!

 

[Destro1986]

I'd just like to point out to anyone saying like "Oh FB and Twitter and Youtube get away with it"

Despite what some media might suggest, the Adpocolypse was caused not by Felix, but because ISIS beheading videos were being shown with Clorox ads (which is good work by the algorithm by the way)

I don't think Youtube's ever released the numbers, but I can only imagine the amount of money they lost because of that.

Facebook has taken all sorts of big financial hits from all sorts of things.

Twitter just doesn't even make any money (which is why being "alternative Twitter" is almost certainly going to fail; it took Twitter like a decade and a billion users to finally turn a profit)

The issue Gab has is that all of these were all big, ubiquitous, and from the regular user's experience mostly pleasant places. Obviously FB has gotten worse, but not that long ago millions of old people were happily playing Farmville on Facebook.

These other companies take the same kinds of hits, but they mitigate it by having policies against speech seen as inciting violence, and at least a modicum of moderation so they can say they made a good faith effort (and they still get called to Congress to testify)

There's a reason that only the biggest companies in the world make any money doing this, and it's because you've gotta have a pile of money and momentum to take those viral body blows.

If Gab had 5 billion in revenue every year they'd be fine.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Did IronMarch go down or something? Why are Nazis looking to find a new site when there are entire forums full of people dedicated to the topic? Why not stay in their circles and let average normies lie?

A lot of alternative sites have popped up as of late because mainsteam sites started either turning to shit or banning people like crazy, with a lot of this starting up arguably around the time websites were trying to collude to shut down #GamerGate talk.

While it worked better for Voat and 8chan, that's because the sites they were trying to clone can easily work out if someone tries to clone them. Reddit and 4chan are closer to forums than "traditional" social networks when it comes to the core setup of the site meaning a small site someone makes with the same exact software or clones of the software those sites use can easily work if it's focused around topics people want to talk about. Twitter (and FB) are less discussion boards and more "general" social media sites, meaning that it's a lot harder to clone them (and make it work) and as Gab (and before them, Veoh or even social media titan YouTube) learned, trying to run a big social media site can come with a lot of liabilities.

And that's on top of the fact that with the current internet climate, if you piss off somebody they can and will try to shut you down via any avenue possible.

The issue Gab has is that all of these were all big, ubiquitous, and from the regular user's experience mostly pleasant places. Obviously FB has gotten worse, but not that long ago millions of old people were happily playing Farmville on Facebook.

These other companies take the same kinds of hits, but they mitigate it by having policies against speech seen as inciting violence, and at least a modicum of moderation so they can say they made a good faith effort (and they still get called to Congress to testify)

There's a reason that only the biggest companies in the world make any money doing this, and it's because you've gotta have a pile of money and momentum to take those viral body blows.

If Gab had 5 billion in revenue every year they'd be fin

I'd emphasize too that those big social media titans also have near limitless money and power. They can run their own infrastructure instead of relying on paid hosts that will break their own ToS to kick you off specifically, they can pay lawyers to handle bad situations and clean up messes, and they're backed by huge companies that are arguably "too big to fall".

 

[Destro1986]

I'd emphasize too that those big social media titans also have near limitless money and power. They can run their own infrastructure instead of relying on paid hosts that will break their own ToS to kick you off specifically, they can pay lawyers to handle bad situations and clean up messes, and they're backed by huge companies that are arguably "too big to fall".

What I find interesting is that, on paper, both Youtube and Twitter are basically financial failures; particularly Youtube, who costs just an astronomical amount to run and didn't turn a profit for what? 12 years? And even then it was pretty small. Same with Twitter, though I THINK Twitter's costs should be lower (because can you imagine the bandwidth and storage Youtube requires?)

basically Youtube and Twitter have been treated like utilities by the tech investors; what's interesting is that it worked.

I would argue that Youtube and Twitter benefit less from "too big to fail" masters and more from their acceptance as basically the only mainstream outlet for hundreds of millions to billions of users that's protected them. Cause remember, companies GET "too big to fail" by not spending a hundred billion dollars hosting videos to make ten million dollars in profit. Any site or service without the size and market dominance of Twitter and Youtube would be cut by their corporate owners/board, no matter how big their corporate hosts are.

Facebook is kind of a rogue thing in this convo and has always had a pretty solid monetization scheme (that they basically stole from Google and made less secure and more scummy) but I assume alot of its protection comes from the fact that it's the only social media platform that the geriatrics who run the government and lots of old guard companies can understand.