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[Feathers]

The idea of a Super Saiyan is mentioned when Nappa and Vegeta are traveling to Earth and brought up constantly on Namek before it is shown.


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Yeah Super Saiyan was introduced earlier, but I think he means the bullshit power up stuff. I personally prefer it to the spirit bomb defeating Frieza.

 

[God of Nothing]

Yeah Super Saiyan was introduced earlier, but I think he means the bullshit power up stuff. I personally prefer it to the spirit bomb defeating Frieza.

man, remember how fucking useless thst supposed super move ended up being?
almost like it was to artificially raise tensions by forcing some side characters to get beaten up for a few chapters
and then nothing of course

 

[Professor Donger]

man, remember how fucking useless thst supposed super move ended up being?
almost like it was to artificially raise tensions by forcing some side characters to get beaten up for a few chapters
and then nothing of course

It kills Buu to be fair but Buu was a shitty antagonist.

If you count GT it also kills Omega Shenron

So technically if you don't count Super it has a 50 percent KD.

Though you could argue that the Spirit Bomb was part of what led to Vegeta losing.

 

[Chocolate Rain]

The idea of a Super Saiyan is mentioned when Nappa and Vegeta are traveling to Earth and brought up constantly on Namek before it is shown.


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It's first brought up in Chapter 204. It's then mentioned multiple times by Frieza thinking about how someone could become a Super Saiyan while Vegeta is fighting Zarbon, by Vegeta thinking Goku may be one when fighting Ginyu, and by Vegeta thinking he is one when fighting Frieza.

To be fair the "Super Saiyan" in this instance is different from the "Super Saiyan" around Namek wherein Vegeta actually has a more visceral reaction to the idea of it. Not saying that this panel wasn't foreshadowing but its obvious that the idea wasn't fully form until later on.

 

[God of Nothing]

Though you could argue that the Spirit Bomb was part of what led to Vegeta losing.

An incomprehensible amount of bullshit was behind Vegeta losing.
I'm not a Vegetafag-they deserve their mockery-but they are right in that in this particular instance Vegeta should've won.

Where the fuck did Yajirobe come from?

 

[Professor Donger]

To be fair the "Super Saiyan" in this instance is different from the "Super Saiyan" around Namek wherein Vegeta actually has a more visceral reaction to the idea of it. Not saying that this panel wasn't foreshadowing but its obvious that the idea wasn't fully form until later on.

Oh yeah I'm not saying that the Blond Haired SSJ we have now was what Toriyama had in mind at the time.

But I am glad he did, I like the Super Saiyan form it's fun.

Im not saying the writing in Dragon Ball is perfect though but again I've been revisiting it very recently with my girlfriend and it holds up a lot better than a lot of people think.

A lot of the writing problems people have tend to be heightened because of fanon.

Hell even Goku being an alien you could argue was foreshadowed by I believe Oolomg straight up asks if Goku was an alien in the earlier manga
but again that's a stretch especially since Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet.

 

[God of Nothing]

piccolo was cooler as a bizarre demon instead of some wackass alien slug

 

[Professor Donger]

An incomprehensible amount of bullshit was behind Vegeta losing.
I'm not a Vegetafag-they deserve their mockery-but they are right in that in this particular instance Vegeta should've won.

Where the fuck did Yajirobe come from?

He was in the area when the fight started

 

[Feathers]

piccolo was cooler as a bizarre demon instead of some wackass alien slug

Toriyama had some serious balls to turn his fantasy story into a scifi in like 2 chapters

 

[Professor Donger]

Toriyama had some serious balls to turn his fantasy story into a scifi in like 2 chapters

Dragon Ball always had scifi elements to it, especially with the Red Ribbon Army.

But I think Toriyama was just an autist who was like "Shit I want to write more cool stuff what do I do?"

"I KNOW!"

 

[God of Nothing]

He was in the area when the fight started

...but why though?

seriously, the amount of circumstance in this fight
vegeta knowing how to create an artificial moon, yajirobe being capable of cutting off his tail, gohan regrowing his tail just in time to see the artificial moon, the artificial moon itself lasting this long when goku didn't need to be perpetually staring at the real moon to transform

 

[Chocolate Rain]

Hell even Goku being an alien you could argue was foreshadowed by I believe Oolomg straight up asks if Goku was an alien in the earlier manga
but again that's a stretch especially since Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet.
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Problem with using early DB as an example is that Toriyama was very clearly not taking the compounds and function of the world that seriously and was just continuing on his "everything goes" mindset from Dr. Slump (Goku literally goes to the moon in back to leave Boss Rabbit in one chapter). Now could he always plan to be the case? Very much so but I dont blame people for thinking its a stretch.

 

[Lone Star]

piccolo was cooler as a bizarre demon instead of some wackass alien slug

Aren't the Namekians demons again now?

 

[God of Nothing]

Aren't the Namekians demons again now?

Aliens from the demon dimension apparently
which is... eh

 

[I Know 孤独のせい]

The worst thing that happened to Dragon Ball was bringing Goku back instead of letting Gohan become the main protagonist.

 

[Professor Donger]

...but why though?

seriously, the amount of circumstance in this fight
vegeta knowing how to create an artificial moon, yajirobe being capable of cutting off his tail, gohan regrowing his tail just in time to see the artificial moon, the artificial moon itself lasting this long when goku didn't need to be perpetually staring at the real moon to transform

They never say, if you take Yajirobe at his word it's because he was in the area and wanted to see the fight.

As for the energy ball lasting as long as it did, that's not surprising. It apparently lasts an hour and 30 minutes. The fight between Goku, Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta didn't last that long. Though I can't find a source for where the time is listed, I'm assuming it's from a guide not the manga

Gohan regrowing his tail back is an ass pull but only because it happens when it did. Toriyama should have just had it grow back during the earlier fight with Nappa

 

[Chocolate Rain]

The worst thing that happened to Dragon Ball was bringing Goku back instead of letting Gohan become the main protagonist.

Gohan fans are still seething to this day.

 

[Feathers]

I swear I'm one of the few who enjoyed the Buu saga. It was a lot of fun and played into Toriyama's comedic strengths. Buu was such a creative idea for a villain and I loved watching Fat Buu become good with a simple talking to with Mr.Satan

 

[God of Nothing]

Gohan fans are still seething to this day.

goku became an absolute whore
just a complete battle slut junkie

Toriyama didn't know how to write Gohan as the protag so maybe it was a good thing, however bad it became.

 

[I Know 孤独のせい]

Gohan fans are still seething to this day.

Justice for Saiyaman !

But in all seriousness, bringing Goku back again and again and again resulted in the entire series becoming less and less interesting and especially with Super turned into a bad parody of itself.

With Gohan the series certainly would have probably turned out less popular in the long run but might have resulted in at least something interesting.