Anti-Vax Movement

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Oh, man, this drives me crazy. I'm pretty right-wing, and my first inclination is usually to tell the government to back the fuck out of my business, but if it's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater then should be extra-special-double-with-a-cherry-on-top illegal to deny your kids something that could save their lives.

Mostly, though, it baffles me that there's even much of a debate. What's wrong with using our technology to improve peoples' lives? The polio v.accine came into use when my dad was about ten; for some of his friends, it was just a year too late to prevent a lifetime of pain. And fucking hell, the first smallpox v.accine was just carrying a walnut shell full of germs to your house and sticking it in a convenient vein. I like the modern way better, thanks.

ETA: My sister lives in Seattle, and she says the elementary schools there are seeing outbreaks of Little House on the Prairie shit. Whooping cough, scarlet fever ... Christ.
 
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wheat pasta said:
Sorry if the images are a bit small, as it turns out they're all we have since he gave the card back to the person it was originally intended for.
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In Japan they put glycerin in enemas.

Also, eggs aren't toxins.
 
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I have a few questions for the anti-vaxors
What is the point of giving people vaxes that are going to cause mental disorders? What is the end-game of this?

In most hospitals they require all staff members to get vaxinated, which includes the doctors themselves. The people working in a hospital ARE educated about biology, chemistry, and pharmaceuticals: Given that why aren't more of them coming out to blow the whistle on this stuff? Even if they don't care about the patients, wouldn't they be concerned about giving themselves a drug that would fuck them up? What do they have to gain through poisoning themselves?

I trust my doctor more then some internet nobody.
 
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Penn & Teller covered this like 5 years ago. People still believe this shit?

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Vaccines aren't 100% effective but the deaths and health complications are much more rare than not being vaccinated. It's like seatbelts. For every one time where being thrown out of your car for not wearing one might save you, there are thousands of times where flying out of the car will be the part that kills you.
 
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In the middle of the measles outbreak, a widely distributed paper ran a story with the headline "Valley doctor: Don't vaxinate your kids" (beware of the autoplay video). The doctor in question is a cardiologist who treats cardiovascular disease holistically.
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Our ancestors from 50,000 years ago had the same genes but did not have the diseases of today. Poor nutrition, chemicals, and stress are the root of all health issues and my focus is centered around addressing and correcting these factors. Genetics can predispose someone to disease, but poor nutrition and chemicals activate your genes, a concept called Epigenetics.
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There is so much bullshit on his website, apparently all to get him business and to sell expensive supplements. People actually study ancient infectious diseases, and obviously, our ancestors still died from these diseases even though they exclusively ate the magical paleo-diet that Dr. Wolfson goes on about.

How do these people delude themselves into thinking this when there is literally nothing to support them?
 
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God these people are stupid. I have immune system problems and can't get certain vaccines so while growing up, my mother was smart and made arrangements so I wouldn't get other kids sick. Yeah, it sucked but it was much safer.
My local newspaper is sending out copies of th letter roald dahl wrote after his daughter died of measles. This is because some kid in my county now has the disease.
 
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As somebody who caught pertussis (whooping cough) at 12 because I had a high temperature after my first shot as a baby and the doctor thought it was best not to risk a second, so i wasn't ever fully vaccinated for it. I can say that even having had one of the 'less bad' old diseases, it was horrible and i wouldn't want to go through it again.
you start coughing, then you start suffocating and then you vomit
anti-vaxers are spastics.
 
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My grandmother had two brothers who died when they were children: one died when he was three of whooping cough, the other when he was seven after he caught tetanus from stepping on a rusty nail. I'm sure my great-grandmother would've given anything for a vaccine to have been available back then. My dad's had shingles TWICE in the last five years.

These idiots are so afraid of autism they don't realize that some of these diseases can cause mental retardation in severe cases, if I'm not mistaken. It CAN happen if a woman is pregnant and catches one of them. Look at actress Gene Tierney. She caught rubella from a fan who had snuck out of quarantine to meet her, and her daughter was born severely mentally retarded, as well as deaf and partially blind. (Said fan later ran into her AGAIN and told her the story of how she skipped quarantine. Tierney was horrified). Laura Ingles Wilder's older sister, Mary, was blind as a result of the measles. I went to college with a guy from Rwanda who had polio as a child and his leg was all twisted up. He had to use a walking stick.

Jesus, if these people had been around fifty years ago, we'd still be dealing with small pox. I'd say they're beyond lolcows. They're down right fucking evil.
 
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Words cannot express my hate for these scum. People who don't get their kids vaccinated should be charged with child abuse, child neglect, and if at all possible attempted murder, and never allowed any contact with their kids again. And if the child does die? They should be forced to remember that they killed their child every moment of the rest of their lives (though I doubt they'd even care).
 
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If someone were to ask me what I consider to be humanity's greatest achievement, I'd have to say it was the eradication of smallpox. 300-500 million deaths in the 20th century...zero in the 21st. As a science nerd, I find the anti-vaccination crowd to be immensely disrespectful to the countless brilliant scientists who have saved more lives with vaccination than perhaps any other technology.

(One day I want to get a tattoo of Edward Jenner and Norman Borlaug arm-wrestling for the position of humanity's greatest champion)
 
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Unfortunately, we'll probably have to have a world-wide pandemic with hundreds of millions of deaths and billions of long-term casualties before society finally decides that stupidity on this level should be criminal. I think anything less and society will just shrug it off as "their choice" or "kids are property, they can do what they like" or some other anti-vax apologists slogan.
 
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