Anti-Vax Movement

[Pine Tar]

That's the external interface of the movement, where information enters the loop. I would expect something to be flawed at this boundary, but the inner processing of the flawed data to follow somewhat logical paths, nevertheless leading to an incorrect outcome/conclusions.

Because they're "True Believers". It doesn't matter how much data you present to them, it doesn't fucking matter.

They think they're visionaries. And I think Carl Sagan said it best:

"But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."

 

[Vitriol]

I would have expected them to have a consistent internal logic to their ideas, at least. But if they openly admit that not getting vaxxed could be dangerous, it directly contradicts the premise of the movement, which is that getting vaxxed is more dangerous than not. Maybe their stance is that it's worth a few kids getting infected if thousands avoid autism or something, that kinda makes sense if you accept that only a few will suffer from a lack of vaccinations (and that they cause autism)

it doesn't make sense because vaccines do not cause autism. this is medical fact.

whats going on here is they are defending vaccinations as a choice but then saying they don't care that some people who want vaccinations cant get them and so get the protection from the herd. they acknowledge that their actions damage theoretical herd immunity, this doesn't bother them as a) they are horribly selfish people and b) they don't think vaccines work anyway so they don't believe they are doing any harm.

Anyone who seriously believes that vaccinations played no part in the eradication of disease in the past centuary and believes they cause autism is too stupid/deluded to be able to maintain any logical thinking anyway. If they were capable of coherent critical thinking they wouldn't hold these beliefs.

 

[Vitriol]

With regards the autism, how much worse do you think death is than autism? We hold death in a kind of superlative state, where it's worse than anything ever, but our actions contradict this. We drive cars, knowing it will kill several people each day, because we value the collective value of driving more than we see ourselves as disadvantaged by the collective deaths arising from it.

are you being fucking serious?

 

[Pine Tar]

With regards the autism, how much worse do you think death is than autism? We hold death in a kind of superlative state, where it's worse than anything ever, but our actions contradict this. We drive cars, knowing it will kill several people each day, because we value the collective value of driving more than we see ourselves as disadvantaged by the collective deaths arising from it.

I'd rather have a child have a shot at a healthy life instead of having it potentially snuffed out due to their parents' stupidity. Also, hi jcrowley.

 

[Saney]

I'd rather have a child have a shot at a healthy life instead of having it potentially snuffed out due to their parents' stupidity. Also, hi jcrowley.

Actually, he's Fonduman, he's a Loveshy.

 

[Pine Tar]

Actually, he's Fonduman, he's a Loveshy.

Heh, I knew that. They're never just one brand of crazy are they?

 

[Saney]

Heh, I knew that. They're never just one brand of crazy are they?

I think he's trying to rile people up on purpose.

 

[Vitriol]

I think he's trying to rile people up on purpose.

that or cripplingly poor social skills. With the loveshys it can be hard to tell.

 

[Randall Fragg]

Don't know if anyone's linked this yet, but:
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vaccine-hysteria-could-spark-totalitarian-nightmare/
"First we're vaccinating people, and then NAZIS!"

 

[Pine Tar]

Don't know if anyone's linked this yet, but:
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vaccine-hysteria-could-spark-totalitarian-nightmare/
"First we're vaccinating people, and then NAZIS!"

There's a reason it's called WorldNutDaily

 

[mooooo]

I'd rather have a child have a shot at a healthy life instead of having it potentially snuffed out due to their parents' stupidity. Also, hi jcrowley.

That doesn't answer the question.
Say, if you had to choose between 10,000 children developing autism, and one dying, which would you prefer?

 

[Cuck Norris]

That doesn't answer the question.
Say, if you had to choose between 10,000 children developing autism, and one dying, which would you prefer?

10000 autistics. Easy answer.

Not that it matters because science has proven repeatedly there is NO link between vaccines and autism.

 

[Vitriol]

That doesn't answer the question.
Say, if you had to choose between 10,000 children developing autism, and one dying, which would you prefer?

but we don't have to choose.

there is a 'deep thoughts' section for philosophy btw

 

[EI 903]

He's threadbanned, so don't bother replying to him.

 

[AnOminous]

Now, I'm solidly pro-vax, but let's look at the "my rights" angle for a minute. If we make v.accines mandatory, then we're saying the government has the right to forcibly insert something in your body. At least in concept, that has to be unnerving, especially to people who insist that a person has a full right to control over their own body. We should have a conversation, society-wide, if we can force people to take v.accines, and what the consequences will be if we do or don't.

We should. But we aren't going to. The short answer is yes, the government does have the right to do that. It even has the right to draft you into service and force you to go kill people drafted into service by other governments and to give you vaccinations while doing that. Or at least it has the power to do that, which is all that actually matters.

(Also can we do away with this retarded wordfilter? Please?)

Here's food for thought, though: where do you guys stand on vaccines for diseases that can't be transmitted from person to person, like tetanus? If an adult lets that vaccine lapse, they're doing harm to no one but themselves.

(Note: not trolling, not trying to start a fight. Just curious.)

This is actually where the ethical question gets interesting. My personal opinion is no, the government should have no power to force you to do anything where your failure to act directly impacts nobody but yourself.

However, think about this in terms of things like health insurance. Your rates depend on the behavior of the population that nerds who devise actuarial tables think up. You're paying extra for idiots like this, unless you can exclude them from your plan and somehow force them to pay for their stupidity.

its almost like these people are lolcows or something.

These are horrorcows, ragecows, I can't even laugh at them. They're evil.

 

[AnOminous]

That's the. . .

. . .point in this sentence where you should have shut the fuck up.

Why the fuck are you still here anyway? Didn't you claim you were just here as an "experiment" anyway?

Go away.

Seriously.

Fuck off.

Nobody here likes you.

 

[Ahffline]

The anti-vax hysteria is another symptom of the Cult of Celebrity and the "Science is EVIL/Agenda 21/Depopulation" conspiracy that's been floating around for a while. To these folks logic doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. What does matter is protecting yourself from evil scientists and the dangerous progress of modern life.

To be fair, I understand the desire to protect your kids from harm. What I can't understand is knowingly deciding to leave your child exposed to possible infection from something as dangerous as measles can be. I never thought I'd live in a time where there were outbreaks of whooping cough, mumps, and measles in North America. I hope this anti-vax foolishness ends before we end up with resurgences of diseases like smallpox and polio.

 

[EI 903]

. . .point in this sentence where you should have shut the fuck up.

Why the fuck are you still here anyway? Didn't you claim you were just here as an "experiment" anyway?

Go away.

Seriously.

Fuck off.

Nobody here likes you.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/anti-vax-movement.7620/page-9#post-536989

 

[CatParty]

That doesn't answer the question.
Say, if you had to choose between 10,000 children developing autism, and one dying, which would you prefer?

i would prefer all autistics to be dead

 

[c-no]

In my country there is a Christian community that does not vaccinate their children "because God will cure the children if and when He sees fit". Because of this, many of their children have received complications from relatively benign childhood diseases, some even dying of it. In our Bible Belt, about five to ten children die every year because they weren't vaccinated.

Some people may say vaccines make kids retarded, but if you ask me the people who refuse to vaccinate their children are a lot more retarded. You cannot sacrifice your children's health because of your religious beliefs, that shit infuriates me as a parent and should be outlawed.

One would wonder if these people were literally prosecuted for such things. The fact that five to ten die because they weren't vaccinated simply because the parents thinks "God will handle it" just endangers the child's life. Whether its for religious belief or thinking autism will be hell thanks to vaccinations, the fact these people refuse them (as said, either religious belief or autism) may as well have this question asked: Do they really care about their children?