Anti-Vax Movement

[Bluce Wee]

I think that, and you think that. But as long as this gets filed under "personal choice" we need to tread very lightly.

The only issue I would take with that is that there are already PLENTY of instances where you can CHOOSE to do something to your child...and you're punished for it and it usually happens in the name of protecting the child's health and safety. Someone earlier in the thread said that it's a personal choice to self-mutilate, but you're not allowed to choose to mutilate your child. You can choose to keep your kid locked up in a closet for years and years, but when it's discovered the child is taken away and you're thrown in jail. Courts have held that, in life-or-death situations, a parent can't refuse a life-saving procedure for their children, even for religious reasons.

So I don't think that "personal choice" is a legitimate enough excuse to not punish parents who refuse to vaccinate their children. With vaccination it's especially important because it's not only the one child at risk, it puts at risk the community as a whole by endangering those for whom vaccines aren't an option (weakened immune systems, allergic reactions to vaccinations, newborn infants etc).

 

[CatParty]

http://aattp.org/glenn-beck-says-th...-government-hoax-to-protect-immigrants-video/

 

[Shokew]

http://aattp.org/glenn-beck-says-th...-government-hoax-to-protect-immigrants-video/

Eh, It's just Glenn Beck being an idiot and pandering to his insane base as usual - damn shame people will take this BS to heart...

 

[ChinIsDead]

I can't even laugh at these people. Yeah, they're at that intersection of stupid and belligerent that so often makes for great comedy, but when they're literally killing children by their ignorance, that's just saddening and infuriating.

 

[Shokew]

I can't even laugh at these people. Yeah, they're at that intersection of stupid and belligerent that so often makes for great comedy, but when they're literally killing children by their ignorance, that's just saddening and infuriating.

I thought I was the only one - I'm only this political about dealing with BS elsewhere. I'd rather that not happen here.

 

[Dalish]

I can't even laugh at these people. Yeah, they're at that intersection of stupid and belligerent that so often makes for great comedy, but when they're literally killing children by their ignorance, that's just saddening and infuriating.

We've already covered this in the thread before, but they aren't just killing their children. They're killing other children, the elderly and anyone who has a deficient immune system.

And it's beginning to infect academia.

 

[Ronald Gaygun]

So a local daycare centre in my city is providing a vaccine-free place for kids to hang out and play. Ottawa public health officials are none too happy about that.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...for-kids-public-health-is-not-happy-about-it/

 

[Bluce Wee]

So a local daycare centre in my city is providing a vaccine-free place for kids to hang out and play. Ottawa public health officials are none too happy about that.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...for-kids-public-health-is-not-happy-about-it/

>The Abekahs also say children who are vaccinated carry a virus for at least 30 days and thus, could pass it on to other children. But that’s not an issue at their home daycare, they say, because none of the children have been vaccinated.

"Hi, I'm espousing medical knowledge without understanding how vaccines work. What are attenuated- and inactivated-load vaccinations? It doesn't matter. I just want to watch your kids for you!"

 

[Pine Tar]

So a local daycare centre in my city is providing a vaccine-free place for kids to hang out and play. Ottawa public health officials are none too happy about that.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...for-kids-public-health-is-not-happy-about-it/

If there's something like another Black Death in this country, at least we'll know that we'll be rounding up and lynching the right people.

 

[Foxkittykin]

>The Abekahs also say children who are vaccinated carry a virus for at least 30 days and thus, could pass it on to other children. But that’s not an issue at their home daycare, they say, because none of the children have been vaccinated.

"Hi, I'm espousing medical knowledge without understanding how vaccines work. What are attenuated- and inactivated-load vaccinations? It doesn't matter. I just want to watch your kids for you!"

Well.. I don't see anything wrong with filling a niche in the marketplace, even if it is the stupidest ducking niche ever. Making money off stupid people is a long standing tradition of snake oil salesmen and entertainers.

But it isn't my cuppa.

 

[AnOminous]

Well.. I don't see anything wrong with filling a niche in the marketplace, even if it is the stupidest ducking niche ever. Making money off stupid people is a long standing tradition of snake oil salesmen and entertainers.

The Typhoid Mary niche is one that is best filled in prison, rather than infecting innocent passersby by establishing a reservoir of disease in the middle of a populated urban center.

 

[Dilligaff]

Welp, apparently it's all Obama's fault for allowing "filthy, diseased" immigrants into our country and spreading the measles. Otherwise we'd be fine. Just saw that gem in the comments on a Sci-Show bit about how measles made a comeback.

I have no political stance on immigration, I just think it's stupid to blame "dirty furinners" for people failing to vaccinate their kids.

 

[IwegalBadnik]

Welp, apparently it's all Obama's fault for allowing "filthy, diseased" immigrants into our country and spreading the measles. Otherwise we'd be fine. Just saw that gem in the comments on a Sci-Show bit about how measles made a comeback.

I have no political stance on immigration, I just think it's stupid to blame "dirty furinners" for people failing to vaccinate their kids.

The only occupants of the North American continent who have any right to complain about "immigrants bringing diseases" are natives. Millions died as a result of alien diseases in the wake of the arrival of Europeans in the Western hemisphere--and to use the word "immigrants" to describe the Europeans is a slight embellishment...

 

[Red_Rager]

The Typhoid Mary niche is one that is best filled in prison, rather than infecting innocent passersby by establishing a reservoir of disease in the middle of a populated urban center.

I can laugh at idiocy as much as the next kiwi, but not when it affects innocent people. People can have their health permanently ruined or die from this shit. I can understand being nervous about experimental drugs or a new vaccine that comes out, but the very implication of the entire medical establishment and pharmaceutical industry being in on a grand conspiracy to inject the general population with a drug they know will negatively impact the general population frightens me. What else are they drugging us with? What other medications are designed to ruin our mental and physical health. How can we judge our sense of reality is correct after years of taking drugs produced by the medial establishment?

I mean even on the conservative side the first thing most people do when they feel sick is take some cold medicine. Got a headache? Take some aspirin. Then there is the occasional need to have surgery being done when shit happens. How can we hold any trust in such a sick, evil industry? I mean when you get surgery done the surgin is cutting you open to do work on your internal organs.Who knows what else the evil doctor is doing to your insides.

It is a very dark world that the conspiracy theorists live in. I'm not saying the medical establishment are full of saints or get everything right, but considering everything else we trust them with and they are insistent we should get vaccinated. I think it can be safe to trust them on this.

 

[Goddessoftheshire]

All these idiots should be locked up in iron lungs:

Yeah, even if vaccines could cause autism, who wouldn't rather have autism than polio anyways? And that's debunked so many times, we're practically beating a dead horse with science reports about it now.

All the anti-vaxers have to do is go to any cemetery 80 years or over and you can see in the graves stones when an epidemic would attack a community. They would also see that when epidemic came through large number of not just children's graves stones, but the elderly will have the same year or month of death. Even some really old cemeteries have sections for things like small pox and other highly communicable diseases. Here is an interesting, but old article from the The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/09/nyregion/isolated-reminders-of-old-epidemics.html

 

[Ouija Board]

Ugh... these people. I am so glad that my mom had me and my sister vaccinated, now I don't have to worry about getting a disease that can kill me. The chicken pox vaccine came out I think, ten years ago and I think my nieces and nephew are vaccinated from that. At least they will never have to go through it. Chicken pox was horrible and I hated it and what's got me scared is that I could get shingles in the future.

I also get the flu shot every year and so far I haven't gotten sick from the flu and I wish they would develop one for the common cold. I also get my tetanus shot, when I had to go to the ER for self harming they gave me one. They will give you a tetanus shot whether you want one or not as it's required by law that if you have open wounds as a result of injury you have to receive the vaccination even if you think you have been in the past.

Also, these idiots don't realize that we are seeing a resurgence of diseases that were long ago eradicated. Just this past year there was a measles outbreak and people had to be quarantined. I am scared that because of these anti-vaxxer, a disease may resurface that I could catch, like smallpox. If that were to happen, most of the population would be fucked as they don't give that vaccine out anymore.

 

[Giovanni]

Also, these idiots don't realize that we are seeing a resurgence of diseases that were long ago eradicated. Just this past year there was a measles outbreak and people had to be quarantined. I am scared that because of these anti-vaxxer, a disease may resurface that I could catch, like smallpox. If that were to happen, most of the population would be fucked as they don't give that vaccine out anymore.

Well, measles wasn't ERADICATED, just effectively wiped out in the United States (like polio). That's why vaccinating for diseases that we younger people haven't really seen is still important - they're still around, so we still have to be vigilant until we have worldwide eradication of them.

The polio vaccine, like all vaccines, does have extremely rare harmful side effects. It'd be great if we could stop taking it, but until polio is eradicated worldwide, it's better to have those very low numbers of vaccine-induced cases than risk returning to the era of countless thousands of dead and crippled polio sufferers - something that the younger population has no experience with and can't comprehend the horror of. Polio's very close to being eradicated, but sadly a small segment of the developing world has their own flavor of anti-vaccine nutjobs (primarily against Big Developed Countries instead of Big Pharma), so it'll likely be some time before success is found.

IIRC, only two diseases can be considered truly eradicated - smallpox and rinderpest. Smallpox is still kept in a handful of laboratories (as I'm sure rinderpest is, as well), but the risks of an accidental or intentional release are small enough that there's not much point in mass vaccinating against it, since the rare complications would not be worth the effort given the extremely small odds of an outbreak.

I think that the numbers for smallpox should be the standard response to all anti-vaxxer arguments, though - half a billion dead in the 20th century, zero in the 21st. But hey, what's a few World Wars-worth of people compared to the fear of BIG PHARMA?

*stress sigh*

 

[Trombonista]

Ugh... these people. I am so glad that my mom had me and my sister vaccinated, now I don't have to worry about getting a disease that can kill me. The chicken pox vaccine came out I think, ten years ago and I think my nieces and nephew are vaccinated from that. At least they will never have to go through it. Chicken pox was horrible and I hated it and what's got me scared is that I could get shingles in the future.

I also get the flu shot every year and so far I haven't gotten sick from the flu and I wish they would develop one for the common cold. I also get my tetanus shot, when I had to go to the ER for self harming they gave me one. They will give you a tetanus shot whether you want one or not as it's required by law that if you have open wounds as a result of injury you have to receive the vaccination even if you think you have been in the past.

Also, these idiots don't realize that we are seeing a resurgence of diseases that were long ago eradicated. Just this past year there was a measles outbreak and people had to be quarantined. I am scared that because of these anti-vaxxer, a disease may resurface that I could catch, like smallpox. If that were to happen, most of the population would be fucked as they don't give that vaccine out anymore.

A common cold vaccine would be awesome.

Also, I wouldn't worry about smallpox; I think that one's been completely eradicated. Polio, on the other hand, is still around, so I would worry about that instead (and I should probably be a bit worried too now that I'm on an immunomodulator).

 

[Mourning Dove]

We should really formulate a vaccine for stupid and stab all of these people with it. In their sleep.

And @vitriol , I gotta say your avatar and username are really fitting for this thread. The Plague Mask since we're talking about horrible diseases, and the vitriol because we're all raging about the diseases.

 

[Long Sun]

A real live doctor said that Rick Perry and Bill Gates are mass murders and Gulf War sydrome was caused by Vaxing and also they cause brain Cancer also Polio was ended faster in Country with no vaxing and its a deadly weapon

I'm just going to leave this here http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Leonard_Coldwell