ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

TerribleIdeas™ said:
Gonna doublepost for this, because I'm lazy, and can't be arsed to edit into the post above. If a mod wants to merge them, I'll take the spanking for being a piece of shit.

The reason that most people refer to antifa as fascists isn't just the violent suppression of all other viewpoints, it's because the overwhelming majority of them are communists, and in my mind there's only 2 particular differences between communism and fascism -

  • Fascism directly states that ranking party members directly possessing critical industries is acceptable. Communism purports to be "collective ownership of the means of production, without hierarchy", but (without getting into all the details of why) we all know that doesn't happen, and isn't possible.
  • Fascism is highly nationalistic, while utopian communism is globalist. Barring Leninist/Stalinst/Maoist/NKDR nationalist bents, which some modern commies handwave as "muh Juche", the original Marxist proposal is for "a global revolution by the working class."

Fascism is simply "the dictatorship of the proletariat", without any LARPing about establishing the utopian bullshit that modern day commies dream about, with no set work hours, lack of money, everyone getting everything they want when they want it without delay, etc. Both systems require centralized market and labor control, centralized operation of all media and information, and violent enforcement of systemic adherence.
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I once heard a very apt metaphor that explained the difference between Fascists and Communists.

A Fascist will tell you they hate you and then shoot you in the face, a Communist will tell you they love you and then shoot you in the back of the head.
 
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TerribleIdeas™ said:
The reason that most people refer to antifa as fascists isn't just the violent suppression of all other viewpoints, it's because the overwhelming majority of them are communists, and in my mind there's only 2 particular differences between communism and fascism -
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Shmuel Sam Coinsniffer said:
I keep seeing people use this talking point and honestly its pretty low IQ. What is fascism in that sense? When you use violence? If so, police are fascist and the Founding Fathers were fascist as was anyone who ever used violence. Fascism is an actual ideology, not just "when you brain a person you don't like". Conservatives keep telling antifas dont know what fascism is and then define it simply as "uhh...when theres violence".

Sorry, this has been bothering me for a time. You know I'm not defending antifa here, but words have meanings.
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Communists are authoritarian, and fascism can have elements of that as well, but they are distinct and very different.

Antifa and communists in general are authoritarian autocratic fanatics with no underlying ethos or consistent ideology except a self serving, selfish lust for personal power for the purposes of sociosexual sadism (usually also pedophilia) and personal enrichment. Communism doesn't make any sense as it either ignores human nature (who will dive in human shit to fix sewage plants for free) or requires science fiction robots or magic golems. It's a grift to get power as a 'Party Secretary' or Komissar.

Fascism is a form of government where the apparatus of the state/local governments, civil organizations, corporations, etc, are all bound together with the common goal of advancing the interests of a party (not political, but a group.) In the Italian Fascist school, all these groups were working to advance The State (Of Italy in this case), while the German/North European Fascism instead was advocating for a concept of Der Volk, the ethno-nationalist cultural group of its citizens. Either system was also prone to authoritarianism, which is a component or character of a government system (not a system unto itself), but the Italian school especially since The State was primary and its citizens expected to sacrifice their lives and freedoms (slavery, essentially) for Italy, whereas the Northern European could be considered less so since a greater degree of individual liberty was integral to preserving the character of Der Volk.

these are very different systems of government with vastly different philosophical bases.
 
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Shmuel Sam Coinsniffer said:
Update on the last post, the Mr Mime ass communist leader is actually a sex worker. Because of course. If 95% of antifas are unemployed, the rest moonlight as sex workers (women and TiMs alike). I recall moldylocks was one too.

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She also points out she's triplevaxxed and hopes you are too.
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They're all pro-capitalism when it comes to "sex work is work!"

This movement is funded by multi-national NGOs, there's no way it's a grass roots movement.
 
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Antifa adjacent "mutual aid" shit:

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Yes, coddle the junkies, what lunacy. Fuck all these people.
 
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The Real Fizzicist said:
If anyone wants a good laugh today, check out the wikipedia article if it hasn't been posted already.
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My favorite part is when they use an article from the Guardian to say antifa isn't a terrorist organization
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Chuck McGill said:
>there have been numerous attempts to discredit antifa

Gee, I wonder what the author thinks about them.
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>Some scholars

How's them for weasel words.

Those introductory passages have far too much to unpack, but all those buzzwords in the beginning highlights Wikipedia's desperate attempt to present Antifa as a humanitarian organization when it's just another manifestation of leftist subculture. A huge swath of the "homeless" they aid are likely squatting Anarchists who are active in radical left-wing politics, terminally fucked up drug addicts and opportunistic grifters. I won't bother going into how most Western leftists are just glorified social democrats rather than dedicated revolutionaries because it's all very evident in their behavior.

If liberal support for Antifa vanished or actively turned against it, the entire scene would foldup very rapidly.
 
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RichardMongler said:
>Some scholars

How's them for weasel words.

Those introductory passages have far too much to unpack, but all those buzzwords in the beginning highlights Wikipedia's desperate attempt to present Antifa as a humanitarian organization when it's just another manifestation of leftist subculture. A huge swath of the "homeless" they aid are likely squatting Anarchists who are active in radical left-wing politics, terminally fucked up drug addicts and opportunistic grifters. I won't bother going into how most Western leftists are just glorified social democrats rather than dedicated revolutionaries because it's all very evident in their behavior.

If liberal support for Antifa vanished or actively turned against it, the entire scene would foldup very rapidly.
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Why would the democrats ever give up their brown shirts?
 
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RichardMongler said:
Those introductory passages have far too much to unpack, but all those buzzwords in the beginning highlights Wikipedia's desperate attempt to present Antifa as a humanitarian organization when it's just another manifestation of leftist subculture. A huge swath of the "homeless" they aid are likely squatting Anarchists who are active in radical left-wing politics, terminally fucked up drug addicts and opportunistic grifters. I won't bother going into how most Western leftists are just glorified social democrats rather than dedicated revolutionaries because it's all very evident in their behavior.
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This is one of the wikipedia admins for example. I imagine the rest are similar.

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Following the disappearance of a Canadian child last month, a 40-year-old Portland-area man and radio host on the left-wing station, KBOO, has been arrested for child trafficking and child rape.

Noah Whitefield Madrano, of Gladstone, Ore., allegedly kidnapped a 13-year-old girl from Edmonton, Alberta. She was reported missing by her family on June 24 after never showing up for school and was finally discovered in an Oregon City hotel room more than a week later by local police and agents with the FBI. Oregon City is about 12 miles south of Portland.

Madrano is currently being held on a $500,000 bond in Clackamas County, Ore. on felony charges of first-degree sexual abuse, second-degree rape and second-degree kidnapping.

Madrano used male, female and nonbinary pronouns and the monikers, “Bud Jackson,” “NoMad” and “Noah Zark.”

At a bail hearing last week, Clackamas County prosecutors said the girl was targeted and groomed "over the course of a year" before being kidnapped. They also accuse Madrano of making “threats to kill her and have sex with her dead corpse."

Until the publicity around Madrano’s arrest, he was a producer and co-host of the "Sub-Human Intellect Theater" (S.H.I.T.) monthly show at far-left self-described Antifa Portland radio station, KBOO-FM. The show’s other host is Karen Green, who has deleted all her social media accounts after the arrest of her co-host.
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