I wish I were kidding. Anyone who was there can confirm the number of degrees of separation involved in people who were pretty entrenched in that world.
Or, if the optimistic rating was about us being less degenerate than the Philly phags, then you're probably right.
obiter: You know the guy who used to literally be the 1st google image result search when you typed in "hippie?" He was the one who offered me underage whores. (He's dead though so I'm not a snitch. But fuck, he was a fucking notorious CI his damn self! He never did anything wrong by me though. #WreckingCrew #ACamp #RiPFeddy He was the first one to kind of warmly invite me into that world. So wait, actually, arguably he seriously fucked up my life.) Not the one who threatened my life though. That would be a headier-than-though patchy-pants West Coast faggot.
I wish I were kidding. Anyone who was there can confirm the number of degrees of separation involved in people who were pretty entrenched in that world.
Thank God I never got roped into going to a gathering.
To get more back on subject... I've noticed another crossover amongst the groups you mentioned are graffiti writers. Most people probably think they come from sterotypical hop-hop crowds, but more than a few that I've met run in punk/antifa/gdf circles. Especially the Bay Area guys.
I wish I were kidding. Anyone who was there can confirm the number of degrees of separation involved in people who were pretty entrenched in that world.
Or, if the optimistic rating was about us being less degenerate than the Philly phags, then you're probably right.
obiter: You know the guy who used to literally be the 1st google image result search when you typed in "hippie?" He was the one who offered me underage whores. (He's dead though so I'm not a snitch. But fuck, he was a fucking notorious CI his damn self! He never did anything wrong by me though. #WreckingCrew #ACamp #RiPFeddy He was the first one to kind of warmly invite me into that world. So wait, actually, arguably he seriously fucked up my life.) Not the one who threatened my life though. That would be a headier-than-though patchy-pants West Coast faggot.
So you're saying you came into contact with underage sex slaves but figured it was more important not to be a snitch than to do something about it? Hey he never did anything wrong by you right?
Jesus fucking christ you punk fucks are cancer. Now I realize there's a 90%+ chance that this is total bullshit, but pretending to be a pathetic asshole isn't really that much of an improvement.
⤥ me taking the bait, calling you a faggot,
and telling you why your callout is stupid,
starts here ↘
⤳I'm not a punk* and have never been involved with that scene. I was, ~20 years ago, involved in the Grateful Dead music & associated festival scene, more specifically, the open-air drug markets in the parking lots and various festival venues. If you can't tell the difference here, your reading comprehension sucks; if you can't tell the difference in person, well, then, it's just another symptom of the scene going to shit (but not very likely.) *That's maybe the biggest piece of slander I want to defend myself against here. The rest of this post is more or less just me taking the piss and further rambling about various dumb scenes and subcultures and their various memes and mores.
The way you phrase your question shows you really have essentially no clue what you're talking about. Yes, without a doubt, those poor girls were living pretty rough lives and had most likely fled worse circumstances in order to become traveling drug-addicted prostitute "puppy-pullers" as my kid @greengrilledcheese aptly describes a certain group in that subculture. Slaves, not really, although arguing through the semantics of the consent of sex work (see infra) with someone on the Internet definitely falls under the head of "things I'm not going to do," along with giving a full breakdown of the naïveté in your imaginings of, I dunno, a gypsy-living drug dealing degenerate picking up a phone and calling a sex trafficking hotline or something in that vein in that particular situation on so many fucking levels I haven't even stopped thinking of saw your post; so, kindly don't be a smug cunt and think you know about things you don't.
But, speaking of seeing your post, I kinda get the feeling you wanted to make me mad, and that's also going under "shit that's not happening" because having you question my drug-trafficking-hippie credentials over the Internet is just as absurd as the idea of me presenting them. I gave an anecdote about a grimy scene and then mentioned a personality that me and another member of this forum are acquainted with (he hasn't indicated it explicitly but it pretty much goes without saying, if you know the world we're talking about) ... which rather clearly, you do not. Your levels of not knowing what you're talking about are absolutely astonishing, even by "random guy on the Internet" standards. I really wonder what you're assuming in your head. Twelve year olds smuggled from Thailand? ⤵
⤥obligatory and actually worth reading shit that actually has to do with antifa, as well as relates [at least a little bit] to the above, start here ↘
⤷ Anyway, this being a thread about the degenerate mongoloids of antifa and their antics, either lulzy or terrifying, I will make a note about the relevance to antifa as it relates to this particular topic.
As a sign of being better at the Internet than you, my "ob" response will be better than your whole response.DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
Most antifa types would actually probably be perfectly OK with this particular degenerate hippie pimp's activities, because their particularly degenerate ideology of sexuality, under the heading of being "sex positive" and generally respecting people's sexual autonomy*. The girls in question in this scenario were, I gathered, runaways from home in the 14-17yo range give or take, who were probably from really shitty backgrounds, victims of abuse and all sorts of unfortunate things before they even started getting paid for it or having a choice in the matter, and most likely addicted to drugs. That such things go on is really, really sad and unfortunate but it's true and it's not going to change anytime soon. There are a lot of problems around consent, which is where you (rightly, and I hope this is what happened) felt sad about the fate of the girls and called me an asshole.
BUT, and this is a big but, at least the girls that I'm talking about with the dude I was talking about left home to go on tour and fell into whoring after a series of decisions, some of them bad and some of them probably influenced by trauma and psychological troubles, rather than getting deliberately and systematically seduced and turned out by some nigger "Romeo pimp."
(To return to the original topic for a second, not that you could've picked this up from context, but this cat was not, as his primary business anyhow, a pimp ... now that I think of it I feel obligated to say here for the benefit of posterity in case this winds up attached to his name by Google search, de mortuis nil nisi bonum, that I only knew him to be involved on pimping on this single occasion and by reputation not even generally, and that I am fairly sure that was more facilitating prostitution than creating it ex nihilo, i.e., helping girls who were already hooking to do their business in exchange of creating fresh whores out of people's daughters. There are miles worth of difference here.)
Now, when antifa, or rather, people who share the general sort of ideas about sex that they and their modern associates tend to have†, come into the picture is as regards such girls as these as would come into their "care," or general orbit. They might not necessarily take a cut of the earnings, although I would actually be kind of surprised if someone affiliated with them isn't somehow involved with organized prostitution, only slightly more so than if they were involved with drug dealing, because girls such as these are an abundantly available "resource" and people in the underground need money as much as the next guy and aren't inclined to work.
But more importantly, people of antifafag type political affiliations are so "sex positive" that they will put less effort into trying to get these girls out of whoring and away from their pimps than in making them feel like it's actually a form of "liberated sexuality." They go beyond "protecting the rights of sex workers" and "removing the stigma of whoring as a profession" into glorifying sex work as a liberated expression of sexuality. If not speaking from a place of [religious] morality, and not considering cases of coercion, I can totally agree that there's nothing wrong with whoring and that the safer it is the better. But it is not the hallmark of a liberated woman, and arguably some of the "sex positivism" glorifies prostitution, especially femdom/BDSM/kink kinds of stuff. And no, no, no, especially given their reality-bending postmodern ways (cf., again, the ontologically posited entity of the "woman's penis" proves everything they have to say wrong), they are not particularly big on age of consent & so on unless it is being used to prosecute some White Cis Hetero Male they find to be distasteful.
But most of all, and most fucking disgusting of all, "liberated female sexuality" is used by pimps as part of the package of goods that they sell to women to get them into whoring in the first place. Same goes in a BIG way for porn (and I've known [adult, well, at least in their 20s] girls who do both--inevitably, the porn girls have been way more fucked up than the hookers. The one girl I knew who you'd call a porn star who was fairly well known died not all that long ago, from entirely preventable reasons so I kind of have a sour taste in my mouth around that. She was an absolute sweetheart and really cool girl but had some issues, and got sucked into the industry by a depraved little photographer who got his clutches into her well before the age of 18, and quite a bit of the way he worked was, other than obviously flattering her looks--which tbh were really harmed by fake tits & other 'work'--was through exactly this, the women's lib angle)
This is part of a bigger social issue where ideas of female sexual liberation are actually used to further the sexual needs of men, and this is what legitimate feminisms* worry about way more than most of the sensationalized "feminist" issues around "representation in [whatever]" and shit like that. [*not a typo: I mean a legitimate ideology of feminism should be much more worried about this than a bunch of other shit that gets, for obvious reasons, a lot more press] From dating to porn to sex work, it's all the same trend: consequence-free sex is sold as being a benefit and a freedom to women but socially is of greater utility to men and ultimately to the relative detriment and often the social and psychosexual enslavement of women. The historical barefoot-and-pregnant wife was arguably a shit of a lot freer than any chick who would participate in a "slut walk." And a whore is a shit of a ton more dignified than a slut. But I digress...
Remember that girl Allison something who worked at Nintendo, was a secret whore and who defended pedophiles who had a thread on here a while back? It was involved with GamerGate which is an autism magnet that I made a conscious effort to avoid, but she was an ardent SJW in a similar vein.
(Speaking of veins, they don't really bother about the drug stuff, either. Except some of the really militant political factions don't want their cadres to use drugs. But that's the exception. Most of the people who are in the "scene," I mean, the more generalized countercultural milieu that got me mentioning the girls we were talking about in the first place, are pretty OK with drug use.)
And anyhow Portland and SanFrancisco, among other places where these fucking deranged faggots are a particular menace are—I am given to understand of those two, especially the first—cesspits of juvenile prostitution way beyond your average city. And yet this isn't something you hear them talking about a lot, is it? Wonder why that might be. Wonder how much support a white girl getting turned out by a black pimp gets from them. Nah, she's just liberated from sexuality and racial inhibitions, right?
*(apart from, you know, declining to accept invasive tranny penis into your anatomy on account of not being personally a homosexual, because that would make you "transphobic," but I digress.)
†(their historical antecedents, as it has been noted, would be horrified by all this)
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⤥ me taking the bait, calling you a faggot,
and telling you why your callout is stupid,
starts here ↘
⤳I'm not a punk* and have never been involved with that scene. I was, ~20 years ago, involved in the Grateful Dead music & associated festival scene, more specifically, the open-air drug markets in the parking lots and various festival venues. If you can't tell the difference here, your reading comprehension sucks; if you can't tell the difference in person, well, then, it's just another symptom of the scene going to shit (but not very likely.) *That's maybe the biggest piece of slander I want to defend myself against here. The rest of this post is more or less just me taking the piss and further rambling about various dumb scenes and subcultures and their various memes and mores.
The way you phrase your question shows you really have essentially no clue what you're talking about. Yes, without a doubt, those poor girls were living pretty rough lives and had most likely fled worse circumstances in order to become traveling drug-addicted prostitute "puppy-pullers" as my kid @greengrilledcheese aptly describes a certain group in that subculture. Slaves, not really, although arguing through the semantics of the consent of sex work (see infra) with someone on the Internet definitely falls under the head of "things I'm not going to do," along with giving a full breakdown of the naïveté in your imaginings of, I dunno, a gypsy-living drug dealing degenerate picking up a phone and calling a sex trafficking hotline or something in that vein in that particular situation on so many fucking levels I haven't even stopped thinking of saw your post; so, kindly don't be a smug cunt and think you know about things you don't.
But, speaking of seeing your post, I kinda get the feeling you wanted to make me mad, and that's also going under "shit that's not happening" because having you question my drug-trafficking-hippie credentials over the Internet is just as absurd as the idea of me presenting them. I gave an anecdote about a grimy scene and then mentioned a personality that me and another member of this forum are acquainted with (he hasn't indicated it explicitly but it pretty much goes without saying, if you know the world we're talking about) ... which rather clearly, you do not. Your levels of not knowing what you're talking about are absolutely astonishing, even by "random guy on the Internet" standards. I really wonder what you're assuming in your head. Twelve year olds smuggled from Thailand? ⤵
⤥obligatory and actually worth reading shit that actually has to do with antifa, as well as relates [at least a little bit] to the above, start here ↘
⤷ Anyway, this being a thread about the degenerate mongoloids of antifa and their antics, either lulzy or terrifying, I will make a note about the relevance to antifa as it relates to this particular topic. As a sign of being better at the Internet than you, my "ob" response will be better than your whole response.DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
Most antifa types would actually probably be perfectly OK with this particular degenerate hippie pimp's activities, because their particularly degenerate ideology of sexuality, under the heading of being "sex positive" and generally respecting people's sexual autonomy*. The girls in question in this scenario were, I gathered, runaways from home in the 14-17yo range give or take, who were probably from really shitty backgrounds, victims of abuse and all sorts of unfortunate things before they even started getting paid for it or having a choice in the matter, and most likely addicted to drugs. That such things go on is really, really sad and unfortunate but it's true and it's not going to change anytime soon. There are a lot of problems around consent, which is where you (rightly, and I hope this is what happened) felt sad about the fate of the girls and called me an asshole.
At least the girls that I'm talking about with the dude I was talking about left home to go on tour and fell into whoring after a series of decisions, some of them bad and some of them probably influenced by trauma and psychological troubles, rather than getting deliberately and systematically seduced and turned out by some nigger "Romeo pimp."
(To return to the original topic for a second, not that you could've picked this up from context, but this cat was not, as his primary business anyhow, a pimp ... now that I think of it I feel obligated to say here for the benefit of posterity in case this winds up attached to his name by Google search, de mortuis nil nisi bonum, that I only knew him to be involved on pimping on this single occasion and by reputation not even generally, and that I am fairly sure that was more facilitating prostitution than creating it ex nihilo, i.e., helping girls who were already hooking to do their business in exchange of creating fresh whores out of people's daughters. There are miles worth of difference here.)
Now, when antifa, or rather, people who share the general sort of ideas about sex that they and their modern associates tend to have†, come into the picture is as regards such girls as these as would come into their "care," or general orbit. They might not necessarily take a cut of the earnings, although I would actually be kind of surprised if someone affiliated with them isn't somehow involved with organized prostitution, only slightly more so than if they were involved with drug dealing, because girls such as these are an abundantly available "resource" and people in the underground need money as much as the next guy and aren't inclined to work.
But more importantly, people of antifafag type political affiliations are so "sex positive" that they will put less effort into trying to get these girls out of whoring and away from their pimps than in making them feel like it's actually a form of "liberated sexuality." Arguably some of the "sex positivism" glorifies prostitution, especially femdom/BDSM/kink kinds of stuff. And no, no, no, especially given their reality-bending postmodern ways (cf., again, the ontologically posited entity of the "woman's penis" proves everything they have to say wrong), they are not particularly big on age of consent & so on unless it is being used to prosecute some White Cis Hetero Male they find to be distasteful. Remember that girl Allison something who worked at Nintendo, was a secret whore and who defended pedophiles who had a thread on here a while back? It was involved with GamerGate which is an autism magnet that I made a conscious effort to avoid, but she was an ardent SJW in a similar vein.
(Speaking of veins, they don't really bother about the drug stuff, either. Except some of the really militant political factions don't want their cadres to use drugs. But that's the exception. Most of the people who are in the "scene," I mean, the more generalized countercultural milieu that got me mentioning the girls we were talking about in the first place, are pretty OK with drug use.)
And anyhow Portland and SanFrancisco, among other places where these fucking deranged faggots are a particular menace are—I am given to understand of those two, especially the first—cesspits of juvenile prostitution way beyond your average city. And yet this isn't something you hear them talking about a lot, is it? Wonder why that might be. Wonder how much support a white girl getting turned out by a black pimp gets from them. Nah, she's just liberated from sexuality and racial inhibitions, right?
*(apart from, you know, declining to accept invasive tranny penis into your anatomy on account of not being personally a homosexual, because that would make you "transphobic," but I digress.)
†(their historical antecedents, as it has been noted, would be horrified by all this)
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I think the funniest thing in all this is yet for all their talk on sex positivity and empowerment (to the point of leniency towards some combination of exploitive sex trafficking and kid diddling as you described), your average antifag is unequivocally the sort of person no one with any sense of stardards, shame and self-respect would ever want to fuck in the first place.
And those women amongst the ANTIFA types who are heterosexual and not into anything genuinely deviant in terms of arrangement (polyamory, I've never met someone who identifies as polyamorous who is not a lolcow, with the exception of chicks who say they are exclusively to make cuckolds out of men, often a series of men) who still are attractive in a danger hair way strike me as—I have no experience either way, although I surely do with hippie types, which has all been furiously bad—as either sexually frigid or promiscuous in a dangerous sort of way, both to themselves in terms of finding themselves in dangerous situations and to their partners, who may find themselves accused of various crimes that were probably committed against her body during her childhood rather than the duration of their relationship
The most curious pattern of all I've seen is that the latter two categories of 'danger' tend to be non-overlapping, which is to say they'll hop out of the bed of someone who's genuinely abusive, share a platonic sleepover with some incel loser who will creep them out, sleep with some absolutely regular Joe, and make accusations against only the last.
(or, for that matter, the menfolk might find themselves in abusive relationships themselves, although I can't help but lulz at the idea of a soyboy on the receiving end of wife-beatings by a hot dangerhair antifa street fightin chick; that's not even scratching the 'emotional abuse' possibilities which are, I imagine, extensive.)
As far as hippie girls go, such as I have had occasion to know who dated myself or my friends, they were either awesomely loyal or the worst kind of degenerate slut you will ever find but again with an unusual amount of sexual frigidity or strange interests. Most of the slutty ones, though, would really have given themselves a huge upgrade in dignity if they would just charge a few hundred dollars for the experience.
Probably in large part this is due to the fact that women, period, are in a short supply in that scene, attractive and monogamous ones all the more so, and the fact that the good ones among them tend to be loyal as fuck, well, yeah, you have yourself a bad dating scene.
Obiter: Almost all the legitimate professional whores who I've known, as long as they worked for reputable (*this presupposes not being run by Black or Jewish men) agencies or were independent and not on drugs—even many who were—as long as they were in the $250-500/hr range and either White girls or Black girls who acted White, were actually almost all really cool people. Both cheaper and more expensive ones, in their own little ways, tended not to be so chill.
But that's getting far afield from the topic. Prostitution deserves its own thread though (wasn't there a thread for lolcow hookers at one point? I mean besides that, although those were amusing. And I don't remember if it was discussed but I bet that most of them fell outside that golden price range I mentioned, one side or another. IIRC that "Maria Mint" girl charged more, but I'll be damned if I can be arsed to look it up atm.)
Edit: slightly changed my criteria for whores and expounded upon the virtues of the few hippie chicks who have any
The way you phrase your question shows you really have essentially no clue what you're talking about. Your levels of not knowing what you're talking about are absolutely astonishing, even by "random guy on the Internet" standards. I really wonder what you're assuming in your head. Twelve year olds smuggled from Thailand?
No, stupid, I was going off this thing that you yourself said
: obiter: You know the guy who used to literally be the 1st google image result search when you typed in "hippie?" He was the one who offered me underage whores. (He's dead though so I'm not a snitch. But fuck, he was a fucking notorious CI his damn self!
You, as in Jigaboo Jones, the notorious non-punk, said "I met that sketchy dude, he offered me underaged whores".
This leads me to believe he offered you the services of underaged (Taken to mean under the age of consent) whores (taken to mean people who have sex for money). The fact that HE offered them, rather than they themselves offering themselves, suggests he was the pimp.
Then, you say "He's dead though so I'm not a snitch" indicating that's what would be the troubling part of what you said.
The fact that you think anyone cares about your dumb ass punk or non punk cred is just as pathetic as the rest of your garbage. You came here to tell a cool story about some piece of shit you met, and it was important to you to point out that you're not a snitch.
Also, you're clearly mad. And a snitch. And a pedo. Worst of all you are bragging about it on the internet. You're like a lolcow, but not interesting enough.
I actually totally forgot about this, hadn't thought about this one in ages, and it actually brings us full circle back to relevance to the thread:
When I was an edgy teenager planning to run away from home, some of my older friends I knew thru IRC actually were in the punk subculture (I wasn't really in any "subculture" really at this point except for being really fucking edgy and doing whatever drugs I could and trying to be a 3l33t h4x0r) and not only punk shit but reasonably serious left wing politics as well (as in "I've read a book" not just "rawr anarchy toilet bomb a mcdonalds.")
There's only really one way to say this: they tried to recruit me into doing homosexual gay sex work in Toronto. They promised me this would not involve getting fucked in the ass and I would only have to "spank businessmen and stuff." I was 14 or so.
For the record I don't think that these individuals were in the business of recruiting teenage boys for prostitution, they probably just "knew people," but who the fuck knows. Being sexually liberated and "not homophobic or anything" was definitely part of the recruitment schpiel though. I do know that these were, this being the 90's, the people who would wind up at decades' end protesting at "the battle of Seattle" in "black blocs," i.e. this is actually totally on topic and I'm talking about ANTIFA, before it was a buzzword or people were running around saying "punch a Nazi" and stuff like that in the semi-mainstream.
Thankfully, I was neither naïve nor edgy enough to take them up on their offer of being a pleasure object for older Canadian men and decided to sell drugs instead, wound up riding the back of the Second Acid Wave™ into ghetto-lot-fabulousness.
The long and short of it is all this confirms is that antifa and their sympathisers are bigger deplorables than the so called Basket of Deplorables they claim to be crusading against by a huge margin
It seems like he fried his brain at some grateful dead concert back in the 70s and occupies some bizarre fantasy world where that's relevant to anything ever. Also he likes to diddle kids and snort ground up dog turds while sucking old men's dicks for meth money.
About 20% of the above is roughly accurate I think... But yeah, I'm pretty sure @Corbin Dallas Multipass didn't read my tl;Dr posts about whoring because as @Hux says much more concisely I'm talking about the degeneracy of various subcultures that do in fact feed into antifa shit although admittedly the gdf shit was tangential.
But antifa types definitely tried to recruit me into child sex work in the mid 90s. Pretty sure that's on topic. As is how their disgusting ideology ruins girls' and womens' lives and society's sexual dynamics in general. Which all of course dates back to the widespread availability of contraception and the decoupling of fucking and baby making. And yes even as evidenced by that I do write deranged stream of consciousness shit on a regular basis though. I'll cop to that. Often alcohol is involved.
And calling people paedos is really a fucking old ass meme. Reminds me of the drama that more or less ruined the alt.drugs.* groups on USENET about 20 years ago. Really, get some new material.
Hey, just because everyone's calling people they disagree with nazis doesn't mean when I see a dude goose stepping down the street in a nazi uniform with a swastika armband I'm not gonna call him a nazi.
You're the one talking positively about a dude pimping out underage girls, asshole, so I didn't pull the pedo accusation out of nowhere.
Like I said before, hopefully you're just a pathetic liar, which seems very likely, but you should know your pathetic lies make you look even worse than if you said nothing. Also you're obviously a smelly hippie, who wants to diddle kids, and snort ground up dog turds. I stand by that.
Hey, just because everyone's calling people they disagree with nazis doesn't mean when I see a dude goose stepping down the street in a nazi uniform with a swastika armband I'm not gonna call him a nazi.
You're the one talking positively about a dude pimping out underage girls, asshole, so I didn't pull the pedo accusation out of nowhere.
Like I said before, hopefully you're just a pathetic liar, which seems very likely, but you should know your pathetic lies make you look even worse than if you said nothing. Also you're obviously a smelly hippie, who wants to diddle kids, and snort ground up dog turds. I stand by that.
The problem is that antifa tends to only fight when they have a severe advantage in numbers (I mentioned 3:1 above before, that's super , like, more often it's like twice that times that in an actual fight, and like 30:1 in terms of turnout overall when there are, in fact, actual fascists around at all, which I'll get to in a moment.)
AUTISTIC INTERLUDE:@Corbin Dallas Multipass has a really :autism: hateboner for me at this point considering that now apparently I'm a nazi and a paedo and a liar and a punk and a hippie because I made an indirect reference to a totally obiter-dictum anecdote like three posts removed from the post in question that was about a sort-of-hippie sort-of-pimping teenagers. I can't even be mad, the whole argument is so hand-flappingly autistic, although I perfectly deserve some :powerlevel:/:autism: tier ratings for some of the shit that I posted here. That fucking sperg has a lot more posts than I do, so is presumably better known, I don't know his rep about him but he has the whiff of the bovine about him to me. I think in the study of lolcows it's been shown that people with inordinate preoccupations with paedophilia are substantially more likely to have a stash of CP somewhere. Sooooooooo there's that.
But, to speak of antifa, these are antifa-tier leaps in logic he's making...let's just talking about antifa making leaps in logic and loose associations and autistic preoccupations and stuff, by vague implication and analogy, having gotten that out of the way.
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As a bonus, I'll get to some actual content on antifa's actual strategies in here and how the police and the mainstream media play in as well (if you want a short summary of that, or something to piss of an antifa faggot, basically, they coöperated with the left-Liberal media the bourgeois state in order to “smash fash,” which is, basically, everything that they're not supposed to do by their own ethos, and goes contrary to their narrative that the media and the police are somehow affiliated with us, the so-called ‘fascists.’)
There was a ‘Free Speech Rally’ held on the Boston Common the week after Unite The Right in Charlestown--but (and this is important) planned for many months before (in fact, it had been held before and it was meant to be a regular thing, I believe.) It was meant, I think, to be in the traditions of the campus Free Speech Movement in the 60's which began, IIRC, at the oh-so-fascist UC Berkley, and the rally in and of itself was apolitical, the whole idea was to give platforms to people with fringe ideas. Given the political atmosphere of the time (i.e. leading up to, but definitely before, the events of that weekend in August) there were quite a few right-wing, racialist, and fascistic types there, including some fairly well-known Internet personalities, some of a fairly autistic persuasion (there were "kekistani" flags there ffs), but there were also Trotskyites, Anarchists, a Palestinian rights group, some kind of weird religious cult in tie die togas that was arguing with the cops about whether they could blow a shofar (but I'm getting ahead of myself here.) The Rightists I think probably originally had the majority, but it was by no means a right-wing thing.
So, needless to say, the lefty mayor and the media and the hysterical crybabies and triggerypuff hugbox commie faggots on Twitter made a huge shitstorm after Charlestown saying "the Nazis are coming here next! White Supremacist rally to be held on the Common!" The mayor tried to ban it, there was, I think, an emergency injunction with the ACLU, all sorts of drama, the media freaked the fuck out. Like ten or twenty thousand people went out for the counterdemonstration.
The police wind up using some really interesting tactics in managing the thing: they create a cordon in which the demonstration will be held, which is surrounded to the back by a bunch of police and to the front by the open common where a shitton of counterprotesters are assembled. Two lines of police fences and some police on foot separate this from the line that antifa starts forming. Journalists and people who are trying to get into the demonstration are funneling in from both sides. The police start turning people away who want to get into the rally, claiming that it's for safety reasons because they don't want fighting inside the cordon. Which is blatant bullshit because you can generally tell who is who, in terms of people who are going to have resort to violence, by having a look at them.
This did a few things; (a) it gave the rally-goers essentially no access to the media, so there was no way that the idea that it was a ‘Nazi rally’ could be countered—although there were no flags inside except American ones (including a Gadsden) and a Palestinian one, as I recall—definitely no overt Nazi symbolism anywhere to be seen; (b) it further made any media coverage possible have it look like the numbers were pathetically tiny (20-30 instead of, well, still pathetically tiny in comparison, but probably like 150-200) and (c) it created an incredibly dangerous situation when the cops, seemingly in response to a prearranged plan/signal, all pulled out of the front of the cordon in order to escort the people who were inside the cordon to safety.
This was wise as they were gonna get eaten alive...unfortunately, it left a bunch us who had been denied admission to the rally itself, who were by now flanked by antifa on both sides, had nonviolent protesters in front of us, and police fences to our rear, with no police protection an outnumbered something like 20:1 by actual fighters to plain rallygoers. What came next happened really quickly. The guy I was talking to was in a chokekhold, I was running forward trying to help him, I got grabbed by like six guys and was having people spit in my face and throw punches or objects at met, etc. This was ranging from a huge bulldyke with facial piercings to bognormal antifa skinnyjeans to some scary ass big nigger to one of the wimpiest looking little stereotypical Jewish kids (I mean like 15 or 16, or, I dunno, 22, living image of a pale little melvin) spat in my face and was talking about the Holocaust.
I managed to get away and break into a run for it. Some of the "peaceful" protesters helped me out by holding hands in a circle around me and literally singing kumbayahchanting "no violence! we're better than him!" Until I could get off the lawn and into the very, very welcome sight of a bunch of fascists in a paddy wagon.
Now, at some point during all this, before the real mêlée broke out, I was confronted by some antifas. And they were quite organized during this action, so I think they had people who were assigned to keep tabs on who was who, once the shit started heading south, so's they'd know who to assault. I was accosted by an ethnically and sexually ambiguous blob of fat with piercings and short hair who demanded that I “renounce patriarchal White supremacy.” The concept felt vaguely like the idea of the temple-sacrifice certificates of Diocletian and Nero or the Japanese fumi-e. Since I wasn't all just like “yeah fuck the kyriarchy down with Whitey!” I was marked for actual assault later, and shouted at as a “Nazi” even when before show started in earnest.
Now, mind you, at no part in this did I wave a flag, shout a slogan, make a salute, etc. I was largely a passive participant in all of this until active fighting broke out. The most only things that I did were (a) try and be turned away to enter in the rally (b) spend the next 45 minutes or so talking with some White guys, again, none of whom were overtly fashy although I think one of them had a MAGA hat and someone else had a T-shirt that had some more or less mainstream conservative T-shirt.
But this was after I'd already been confronted before. I wasn't holding any signs or wearing anything that was overtly political, but antifa started demanding I denounce heresy and shouting at me because I was, in their words, yes actually their words, “obviously a Nazi, dude, ou're wearing the uniform” because I was wearing...
a White Polo Shirt and khahis
This, together with who I was standing with and talking to, lead to, eventually, my being physically assaulted (not too badly, I got some scratches and bruises, not a hospital job or anything, but still ... and I saw them doing the same swooping-in-and-surrounding maneuverer of theirs that they like to do in situations like this on women and a vet in a fucking wheelchair.)
Fucking despicable cocksuckers, they. These fuckers don't fight fair. Which is why the Swiss-flagpole formation I was talking about before and discipline in the ranks is important (the SA wasn't singing Die Reihen fest geschlossen! for nothing) if you're actually going to be fighting them physically, as is probably some kind of smaller, concealable blunt instrument, one that will help in defense but not actually wind up seriously hurting or killing someone (I'd mentioned cosh gloves, which are basically just leather gloves with the knuckles filled with buckshot) ....
But I really, really don't recommend fighting them, precisely because, they don't fight fair and they only fight when they're outnumbered, and they have women with them who will attack you viciously and play off the fact that you don't wanna hit a woman (I imagine if you did, you'd be all over the Internet for “hitting a woman,” too, even though I've even heard these crazy bitches say it is “sexist” to......not want to...hit a woman? FML.)
I did have this antifa bitch punching me one time at a thing, and, to be honest, she had more balls than most of her cohorts because she was actually going at me 1:1. I am not a small man, either. She was clearly off her fucking rocker. She was also really hot in a dangerhair sort of way, or maybe I just thought so because she was hitting me, idk, but whatever. I just kind of moved her out of the way and was like I'm not going to hit you you're a girl and then she started screaming at me for being sexist and went away. Bye, bae...idk what that was even supposed to be about. Probably trying to set me up for hitting a woman on camera. A petite and attractive one all the better for optical purposes.
So yeah, if you intend to be involved in street-level practical politics, well, shit ... it is well and good to make fun of antifa and mostly they are "hilariously ineffective domestic terrorists" as @scathefire mentioned, but, on a street level action, especially because (I keep repeating this because it is true and it is one of the biggest reason that they are a lot of fucking pansies) they like to catch up with individuals outnumbered and beat them, instead of fighting en masse.
I don't go looking for political violence and am really not even all that politically active, even less so practically, but yeah, antifa can be fucking scary, and do accomplish their explicit goals of suppressing speech on the street and the exercise of practical politics through their cycle of street violence that intimidates both their victims and governments/universities/venues (what hotel convention room wants to host Kevin MacDonald speeches now? Or even Jordan Pedersen? Let alone a David Duke or David Irving.) Organizing that kind of shit is not easy and requires money and connections. Further see Political Violence is A Game The Right Can't Win for some interesting perspective on that, and how our situation varies markedly from the situation of the radical Left. And yes, they are absolutely a tool of the fucking bourgeoisie, and work completely in concert with the media and the authorities, if not in an organized manner, but effectually.
One time we were putting up fliers in the downtown area of a depressed northeastern city, and, out of nowhere, some vaguely antifa-ish spotters appeared, and started taking pictures. Then one of their cadres appeared and just sort of stared at us while filming; one of our number tried to dialogue with them but they would literally remain silent the whole time (this was some kind of statement or tactic, I guess.) But later on, after our leader had given us the order to go at least in a group of 2-3, one kid of course decided not to, and they caught up with him and beat his ass. Now, this wasn't in a college area or anything, so it was really either shockingly coincidental or amazingly well-organized that they could (a) spot us on a random day, or, have infiltrated our organization quite well; (b) deploy a decent sized group of reasonably motivated people at very short notice in an area that is not known for having a lot of them. So they had their game on. But of course, being that our numbers were roughly equal, they didn't want to fight. Fuckers.
(Bonus: I was out putting up fliers at a university in an incident that made the local news. And, hilariously, was mentioned by a Black Democratic candidate in the primary for that state senate (the only Black person involved in the election) as a reason she decided not to run. Fuck, she could've gotten political mileage out of deciding to run because of it. But, I dunno, #triggered.)
Also, on the actual domestic terror angle, it's not really that widely known among the gutter-punks with whom antifa share some countercultural lineage, and perhaps paritcularly the political ones, but in this case I'm specifically referring to the subculture of people who jump freight trains. A lot of them are/were on this detachment-from-the-capitalist-society trip which is very political in essence although I wouldn't call most of them deep political thinkers or anything. This is the type of thinking that got you "freeganism" dumpster diving and political shoplifting and so on. But, anyhow, they have nationwide community, these train-jumpers especially, living in squats, and at least some of these squats do keep a stock of firearms. I don't know enough to make general statements but I think we're usually talking about smaller-calibre handguns, although that was a long time ago that I had any personal contact with that situation, and not only presumably have they evolved but so have what firearms are available/popular. Just another thing to throw out there, though.
So yeah, they're lolcows, but they can be actually scary and dangerous in the right situations. I don't know what the word for that would be.
Optimistic x 1
photographer who got his clutches into her well before the age of 18, and quite a bit of the way he worked was, other than obviously flattering her looks--which tbh were really harmed by fake tits & other 'work'--was through exactly this, the women's lib angle)
