Anyone else like SOME aspects of socialism/economic leftism?

[BirdUp]

Source?

im too lazy to debate further but only the postal service can deliver first-class mail for under $3.00 per letter

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

Apart from the idea that information shouldn’t be paywalled and should be shared freely and that Copyright laws suck, I have absolutely nothing in common with a leftist/socialist/collectivist.
Sorry socialist scum, I’m not giving up my private property just because intellectual property is fake and bullshit,

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I don't think billionaires should exist and corporate monopolies should be broken up. I also think violence is a more effective method than voting for paid of lobbyists when kikes overreach with their greedy bullshit

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Apart from the idea that information shouldn’t be paywalled and should be shared freely and that Copyright laws suck, I have absolutely nothing in common with a leftist/socialist/collectivist.
Sorry socialist scum, I’m not giving up my private property just because intellectual property is fake and bullshit,

Intellectual property is important in some cases, not in all.

Should we publish schematics for all military hardware?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

That's actually ideal for an ethnostate, but with an open border those kinds of things are impossible to implement well.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

"Rent control" as has been currently implemented in the USA is a retarded and useless idea...but we are rapidly reaching a point where some kind of limitation on rent is the lesser evil. If landlords can just endlessly jack rents by however much more they want to put toward their yacht fund while paychecks stay static, American cities are going to start looking like favelas when an ever-increasing number of fully employed people just plain can't pay up.

Limiting individual home ownership to persons, and 2 homes per person max, is a good idea to start returning housing to being used for fulfillment of a human need.

 

[Matt Damon]

I think at the very least, governments should have the right to force the private sector to act in the best interests of the nation. Likewise, governments should have the right to make sure private entities are not engaging in practices that are damaging to the economy. HR culture and the ever ballooning executive class is a good example of something the government should have the right to bring a halt to.

If governments would enforce antitrust law the way they should, I believe this problem would take care of itself. It's only in modern giant corporations with oligopolist market positions that these drags on productivity can survive and metastasize.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

i like the part where they fuck over the rich people. thats a real fun one that

 

[Otterly]

Yes. Northern Europe in the post war era up to about twenty years ago. Specifically scandi areas. But uk was ok as well. All that was peak humanity and we need to go back

 

[RybenZ999]

That's actually ideal for an ethnostate, but with an open border those kinds of things are impossible to implement well.

It doesn't necessarily have to be an ethnostate either (though its preferable), just make sure that negro/indian immigrants come here through proper merit-based legal channels and put a pressure on them to assimilate to the general culture. The assimilation thing is important and why what I suggested won't work in Burgerland where retarded "celebrating" different cultures leads to them inevitably clashing.

 

[Wodanaz]

sure, you just have to combine socialism with nationalism and magically it becomes based. this seems like an impossibility for some reason though, people always develop some kind of mental block that prevents them from combining the two.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

The problem is that some of the things decried as "socialism", aren't. Trade tariffs, for example, can be a valid form of economic protectionism - they stop shitbags, both foreign and domestic, from exploiting virtual slave labour.
Also, universal health care IS achievable and works very well...IF you have a population that universally contributes to it. It doesn't work in places where foreigners have been permitted to invade and use up the resources that rightly belong to the people who've paid for it.

 

[Stan]

sure, you just have to combine socialism with nationalism and magically it becomes based. this seems like an impossibility for some reason though, people always develop some kind of mental block that prevents them from combining the two.

there’s a reason national socialism is not an extant political ideology; they got greedy and tried to establish a German ethnostate in a war that cost millions of Europeans their lives.

Ethnostates are a painfully stupid idea, and Socialism doesn’t need it. We’re all equals in the brotherhood of mankind. Caring this much about people’s race is a capitalist roader thing to do and it’s cringe

 

[Whatevermancer]

sales are tied to how likely your customers will buy your things again

That's why producing high-quality equipment that will last you a lifetime is not a good business strategy, and that's where planned obsolescence comes in.

if customers want high quality and low prices then pursuing the opposite will make no one patronize you

If customers think that my product is low-quality/too expensive, I have a whole advertising industry that studies consumer psychology to convince them that the product is desirable.

 

[BirdUp]

That's why producing high-quality equipment that will last you a lifetime is not a good business strategy, and that's where planned obsolescence comes in.

selling inexpensive products is different from planned obsolescence

 

[Fatniggo1488]

If governments would enforce antitrust law the way they should, I believe this problem would take care of itself. It's only in modern giant corporations with oligopolist market positions that these drags on productivity can survive and metastasize.

I think the big problem with antitrust laws is that by the time they take effect, it's already too late to actually enforce them. Likewise, they don't really do any thing about cliques.

 

[Wodanaz]

there’s a reason national socialism is not an extant political ideology:

^glowies iced him for this btw

 

[RybenZ999]

there’s a reason national socialism is not an extant political ideology; they got greedy and tried to establish a German ethnostate in a war that cost millions of Europeans their lives.

Ethnostates are a painfully stupid idea, and Socialism doesn’t need it. We’re all equals in the brotherhood of mankind. Caring this much about people’s race is a capitalist roader thing to do and it’s cringe

Agreed but like I mention earlier, there should be some pressure for immigrants to assimilate into the general culture. Obviously I don't anyone to completely lose their individuality, that'd be retarded, but as shown by the rise in crime in Sweden after letting in Arab refugees, assimilation plays a key role in our hypothetical balanced economy.

 

[Stan]

it says in the wikipedia article that "The law was partly a response to the publication of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, an exposé of the Chicago meat packing industry, as well as to other Progressive Era muckraking publications of the day." The Jungle is a piece of fiction and source [3] doesn't elaborate what these publications were, so you haven't backed this up with anything i can read

I missed this part earlier, sorry about that.
While The Jungle is a work of fiction, the working conditions of meatpacking plants were not fictional. The assertions made in the book were confirmed by federal investigation and that was why the law was enacted.
It actually says that later on in the Wikipedia article I linked earlier:

The book's assertions were confirmed in the Neill-Reynolds report, commissioned by President Theodore Roosevelt in 1906.[5] Roosevelt was suspicious of Sinclair's socialist attitude and conclusions in The Jungle, so he sent labor commissioner Charles P. Neill and social worker James Bronson Reynolds, men whose honesty and reliability he trusted, to Chicago to make surprise visits to meat packing facilities.

Despite betrayal of the secret to the meat packers, who worked three shifts a day for three weeks to thwart the inspection, Neill and Reynolds were still revolted by the conditions at the factories and at the lack of concern by plant managers (though neither had much experience in the field). Following their report, Roosevelt became a supporter of regulation of the meat packing industry, and, on June 30, signed the Meat Inspection Act of 1906.[6]

Did you... just stop reading after you saw the title of the book? If you'd held out for two more paragraphs you would see that the law was passed following investigation of the meat plants. Roosevelt wanted not to believe the anecdotes related by Sinclair, but the investigation proved them to be true.

Is it that hard to believe industrialists suck just that much to sell people meat from diseased cows?

Spoiler

I transmit herewith the report of Mr. James Bronson Reynolds and Commissioner Charles P. Neill, the special committee whom I appointed to investigate into the conditions in the stock yards of Chicago and report thereon to me. This report is of a preliminary nature. I submit it to you now because it shows the urgent need of immediate action by the Congress in the direction of providing a drastic and thoroughgoing inspection by the Federal government of all stockyards and packing houses and of their products, so far as the latter enter into interstate or foreign commerce. The conditions shown by even this short inspection to exist in the Chicago stock yards are revolting. It is imperatively necessary in the interest of health and of decency that they should be radically changed. Under the existing law it is wholly impossible to secure satisfactory results.

When my attention was first directed to this matter an investigation was made under the Bureau of Animal Industry of the Department of Agriculture. When the preliminary statements of this investigation were brought to my attention they showed such defects in the law and such wholly unexpected conditions that I deemed it best to have a further immediate investigation by men not connected with the bureau, and accordingly appointed Messrs. Reynolds and Neill. It was impossible under existing law that satisfactory work should be done by the Bureau of Animal Industry. I am now, however, examining the way in which the work actually was done.

Before I had received the report of Messrs. Reynolds and Neill I had directed that labels placed upon any package of meat food products should state only that the carcass of the animal from which the meat was taken had been inspected at the time of slaughter. If inspection of meat food products at all stages of preparation is not secured by the passage of the legislation recommended I shall feel compelled to order that inspection labels and certificates on canned products shall not be used hereafter.

The report shows that the stock yards and packing houses are not kept even reasonably clean, and that the method of handling and preparing food products is uncleanly and dangerous to health. Under existing law the National Government has no power to enforce inspection of the many forms of prepared meat food products that are daily going from the packing houses into interstate commerce. Owing to an inadequate appropriation the Department of Agriculture is not even able to place inspectors in all establishments desiring them. The present law prohibits the shipment of uninspected meat to foreign countries, but there is no provision forbidding the shipment of uninspected meats in interstate commerce, and thus the avenues of interstate commerce are left open to traffic in diseased or spoiled meats.

If, as has been alleged on seemingly good authority, further evils exist, such as the improper use of chemicals and dyes, the Government lacks power to remedy them.

A law is needed which will enable the inspectors of the general Government to inspect and supervise from the hoof to the can the preparation of the meat food product. The evil seems to be much less in the sale of dressed carcases than in the sale of canned and other prepared products; and very much less as regards products sent abroad than as regards those used at home.

In my judgment the expense of the inspection should be paid by a fee levied on each animal slaughtered. If this is not done, the whole purpose of the law can at any time be defeated through an insufficient appropriation; and whenever there was no particular public interest in the subject it would be not only easy, but natural thus to make the appropriation insufficient. If it were not for this consideration I should favor the government paying for the inspection.

The alarm expressed in certain quarters concerning this feature should be allayed by a realization of the fact that in no case, under such a law, will the cost of inspection exceed 8 cents per head.

I call special attention to the fact that this report is preliminary, and that the investigation is still unfinished. It is not yet possible to report on the alleged abuses in the use of deleterious chemical compounds in connection with canning and preserving meat products, nor on the alleged doctoring in this fashion of tainted meat and of products returned to the packers as having grown unsalable or unusable from age or from other reasons. Grave allegations are made in reference to abuses of this nature.

Let me repeat that under the present law there is practically no method of stopping these abuses if they should be discovered to exist. Legislation is needed in order to prevent the possibility of all abuses in the future. If no legislation is passed, then the excellent results accomplished by the work of this special committee will endure only so long as the memory of the committee's work is fresh, and a recrudescence of the abuses is absolutely certain.

I urge the immediate enactment into law of provisions which will enable the Department of Agriculture adequately to inspect the meat and meat-food products entering into interstate commerce and to supervise the methods of preparing the same, and to prescribe the sanitary conditions under which the work shall be performed. I therefore commend to your favorable consideration, and urge the enactment of substantially the provisions known as Senate amendment No. 29 to the act making appropriations for the Department of Agriculture for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1907, as passed by the Senate, this amendment being commonly known as the "Beveridge amendment."

THEODORE ROOSEVELT.

I bolded some stuff in there to specifically draw your attention to it.

PS waiting on an apology as you've been disastrously wrong about swill milk, the allegations made in The Jungle, and basically ignored everything else I've shown you or made halfassed comments like "oh I'm sure employers would give employees AC" "I'm sure only a few dairies did this" "I'm sure the consumer would reject these products if they made it to market"... and you were incorrect.

 

[Lithuophile]

I actually like scientific marxism, I just hate giving money to poor "people"