Science AP: Meme falsely claims dinosaurs were only invented to prove evolution is real. There is no ‘dinohoax’ - Humans have been discovering dinosaur fossils for thousands of years, despite claims otherwise on social media.

Meme falsely claims dinosaurs were only invented to prove evolution is real. There is no ‘dinohoax’
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Melissa Goldin
2023-12-28 19:45:40.14GMT

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A model of a dinosaur is seen during an auction of auction house Koller, for the skeleton of a Tyrannosaurus rex named Trinity, in Zurich, Switzerland on Tuesday, April 18, 2023. Humans have been discovering dinosaur fossils for thousands of years, despite claims otherwise on social media. (Michael Buholzer/Keystone via AP)

CLAIM: The word “dinosaur” was coined before the first dinosaur fossils were discovered, which proves that the prehistoric reptiles never existed.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Humans have been finding dinosaur fossils for thousands of years, although experts widely credit an English surgeon and his wife for recognizing their significance after the couple’s 1822 discovery of dinosaur teeth in a forest south of London. An English anatomist and paleontologist coined the word “dinosauria,” the scientific name for dinosaurs meaning “terrible lizard,” in 1842.

THE FACTS: Millions of years after the dinosaurs’ extinction, social media users have dug up an old meme to deny the ancient beasts ever actually roamed the Earth.

“Sir Richard Owen, who created the term dinosaur, wanted to prove evolution to be true,” reads an image shared on Instagram. “He knew that many in the scientific community embraced the same goal. He was broke, and desperate to succeed. After his invention of the ‘dinosaur’ in 1842, amazingly, the first dinosaur discovery happened in 1858.”

In the top-left corner of the image, the word “dinohoax” appears below a picture of a Tyrannosaurus rex.

It’s unclear where the meme originated, but a Google search for “dinohoax” shows it has been circulating online since at least 2019.

Owen, an English anatomist and paleontologist, introduced the term dinosauria in 1842 to describe three types of extinct reptiles that had been formally named in the first decades of the 1800s.

But experts say fossilized dinosaur remains have been uncovered throughout human history, even though they weren’t broadly recognized for what they are until the 19th century.

“People have been interested in not just fossils, but dinosaur fossils, certainly for thousands of years,” Bruce Lieberman, director of the University of Kansas’ Paleontological Institute, told The Associated Press.

He explained that there is archaeological and other types of evidence pointing to an awareness among early civilizations of the creatures that would come to be known as dinosaurs. For example, a Native American pictogram of a giant bird dated to about 500 A.D. was found next to a site where dinosaur footprints were also discovered.

Gideon Mantell, an English surgeon, and his wife Mary Ann Mantell are widely regarded by experts as the first to view dinosaur fossils through a modern scientific lens. The couple, both amateur paleontologists, noted the significance of fossils as belonging to a different type of reptile following their discovery of dinosaur teeth in Tilgate Forest, approximately 27 miles (44 kilometers) south of London, in 1822.

After noticing similarities between the fossilized teeth and those of living iguanas, Gideon Mantell published a paper with his findings in 1825, naming the creature to whom the latter belonged iguanadon. Years later, Owen would use the word dinosauria to describe the iguanadon and two other creatures named around the same time — the megalosaurus and the hylaeosaurus.

“These three examples represent the first to be formally identified, described, and named scientifically as extinct animals,” Matt Friedman, director and associate curator at the University of Michigan’s Museum of Paleontology, told the AP in an email. “Owen was suitably impressed by the differences between these three ancient creatures and ‘ordinary’ reptiles that he decided they merited their own group, the dinosauria.”

Friedman added that “although a variety of evolutionary ideas were in circulation at the time,” Owen came up with the word dinosauria nearly 30 years prior to the publication of Charles Darwin’s “On the Origin of Species,” regarded as the cornerstone of evolutionary biology.

Additionally, Owen was not “desperate to succeed,” contrary to the claim spreading online.

“Owen was one of the most prominent British biologists of the mid-1800s, not some unknown scientist laboring in obscurity and looking for a big break,” Friedman wrote.
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Here's the meme:
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Genuinely, truly even in religious circles I see no insistence on creationism. Like, maybe a lot of religious people still don’t accept evolution but I think even southern baptists have realized that creationism is a no go in terms of winning over the broader culture.

It’s a dead issue. Creationist publications like AiG or Creation Ministries from what I can tell have no real influence on discourse anywhere.

What this sort of hysteria does do however is get liberals motivated-that the Bible thumping science illiterates are going too…destroy public education and impose a theocracy or something.

I suspect it’s a way to get liberals energized for 2024.
It's really only the fundiest of fundies(IBLP, JWs, skitzo types of Pentecostals) that give a shit these days. Southern baptists are more likely to believe in evolution as long as humans aren't involved.
 
Riding dinosaurs is exactly something Brigham Young would do though. He would be called the Dino of the Lord instead and the mascot for BYU would be a T-Rex.
Brigham Young is a treasure. The most BASED of the prophets. Yes he would indeed.
 
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I was reading some Marxist publication this year, and they hated the idea of the Big Bang-precisely because it implies the universe and matter had a definite beginning point.

I could see some Materialists and Atheists embracing the idea of an eternal universe.
You're not considering the option that they will claim it's cyclical, and that this somehow means it has no "first cycle."

Buddhism is a cancer for this exact reason, Soyence lovers embrace it solely because it's non-theistic, never mind that the vast majority of adherents basically treat Buddha like a god.
 
You're not considering the option that they will claim it's cyclical, and that this somehow means it has no "first cycle."

Buddhism is a cancer for this exact reason, Soyence lovers embrace it solely because it's non-theistic, never mind that the vast majority of adherents basically treat Buddha like a god.
I've seen some headings that indicate scientists are heading in this direction. Either an eternal cycle of Big Bangs with no beginning or ending-or multiple big bangs-that is there is one universe, but big bangs happen more than once, thus allowing baryonic matter and so on to form over formerly empty(above the quantum level) volumes.

Regardless-both of these variants, along with the concept of a multiverse are ways to avoid the idea of theism. (Pretty much at all costs).
 
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I confess I cannot quite grasp why a cyclical Big Bang automatically means there was no "first" Big Bang.
 
The argument implied therein is the universe is functionally eternal. It might reach a state of very high entropy, or go through untold aeons of basically stagnation but it has "always" existed.

Its just a sort of "brute fact"-I believe an atheist scientist Steve Carroll-said something to this effect,

"Why does the universe exist?" "well it just does"

I expect if(and likely when) they grow tired of speculating over a multiverse-they'll come down to this sort of resigned argument.
 
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Basically yeah.
 
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