Trashfire Apollo Legend suicide

[BLEACHED.COM]

Semi-relevant, but since Karl has been discussed here already without this coming up, might as well.

This was just posted on /v/ in a thread about the recent stuff. Seems like Karl was running a dating advice / pick-up artist website in the past, which he mostly scrubbed from the internet since then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRvgr-2dclc (archive)

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This is fucking cringe holy shit. How autistic do you have to be to just come in and go: HELLO ME LADIES, LET ME JUST TELL YOU HOW KAWAII YOU LOOK TONIGHT. SINCERELY YOURS, KARL. and then he just walks away. What the fuck? What even is the point if you aren't going to try to get them to go take a drink or something?

 

[Slap47]

"The Biggest Conmen In Video Game History Strike Again!" by Karl Jobst is pushing a very dishonest narrative. Billy Mitchel is shit, but he actually is not the reason for Apollo's suicide.

Apollo specifically cites his friends betraying him, and depression from chronic pain.

 

[NarcissusRyuichi]

"The Biggest Conmen In Video Game History Strike Again!" by Karl Jobst is pushing a very dishonest narrative. Billy Mitchel is shit, but he actually is not the reason for Apollo's suicide.

Apollo specifically cites his friends betraying him, and depression from chronic pain.

It's pure deflection out of guilt. Karl helped EZScape make his Downfall of Apollo Legend video, and he even considered making the video himself.

 

[DarkSydeHyde]

Semi-relevant, but since Karl has been discussed here already without this coming up, might as well.

This was just posted on /v/ in a thread about the recent stuff. Seems like Karl was running a dating advice / pick-up artist website in the past, which he mostly scrubbed from the internet since then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRvgr-2dclc (archive)

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Hi guys. I don't mean to bother you, just want to say that Bush did 9/11. BTW: Unlike aircraft fuel, you are so hot that you could melt steel beams.

 

[the_secret]

Please let there be a copy of that ebook out there.

 

[TherapyMan]

I don't know if he's planning to make a formal announcement but Karl said this:

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Timestamped the part he cut out here:

The way he phrases that the financial burden lead him to take his own life sounds defamatory to me. Correct me if I'm wrong IANAL. Him cutting out the segment without any announcement isn't not a very good look for him.

ersatz_cats has claimed that "sources" confirming there was a significant cash settlement involved.

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I'm well aware Billy is a big liar but I think Karl screwed up significantly by even mentioning this. It was a very good way to rile up the crowd however.

He and EZScape are very good at that.

Elements of defamation are:

1. False Statement Purporting to be Fact
2. Publication of that Statement to a Third Party
3. Fault
4. Damages

The potential defamation here isn't attributing Mitchell as a factor in Apollo's suicide, it's the "factual" reason Jobst claims to support his belief. The problem with basing a defamation claim off of Jobst's comment that the debt and health issues were "all too much for [Apollo], and ultimately he took his own life" on its own is that such a statement regarding Apollo's motivations is not a subject to falsifiability (i.e. can be definitively proven false as a fact). The only person who could reasonably know for certain Apollo's reasons for suicide are Apollo, and he's dead, notwithstanding any writings he made detailing his motives. Even with a detailed suicide statement, we are not privy to the inner machinations of Apollo's mind, and his motivations for taking his own life aren't something that are falsifiable. We can't open up his skull and find the truth in there.

The real meat of a potential defamation claim is the other half of the statement: Jobst's claim that Apollo paid Mitchell a large sum of money in the settlement. That is something that is subject to being proven false. Look at the settlement document: either Apollo agreed to pay Mitchell money or he didn't. If he didn't, like Mitchell states, Jobst made a false statement. Jobst's reliance on an unverified source shows potential negligence on Jobst's part to properly check what he was saying was true. Even so, there are a lot of ways Jobst could potentially defend against a defamation claim.

One thing that's weird is that Mitchell does not deny the portion of the video where Jobst accuses him of laughing at Apollo's death. You would think that he would provide some rebuttal for that, but he doesn't, which leads me to conclude the screengrab Jobst provided was genuine.

 

[OnlinePresents]

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Semi-relevant, but since Karl has been discussed here already without this coming up, might as well.

This was just posted on /v/ in a thread about the recent stuff. Seems like Karl was running a dating advice / pick-up artist website in the past, which he mostly scrubbed from the internet since then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRvgr-2dclc (archive)

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His wife being of the slanted eye variety seems pretty convincing that she only married him for a visa or some mail order type shit.

 

[DarkSydeHyde]

His wife being of the slanted eye variety seems pretty convincing that she only married him for a visa or some mail order type shit.

 

[Rockafire Ass Explosion]

I can't believe Billy is still being paid to go to conventions. This is Boogies best friend the Carpetbagger cucking out the Florida Free Play convention a few days ago.

 

[topsikrets]

His wife being of the slanted eye variety seems pretty convincing that she only married him for a visa or some mail order type shit.

He's aussie, the only aussie men who are with asian women are complete and total failures.

 

[awoo]

I was rereading this thread because I for some reason thought of Apollo Legend again and my mind is drawn to depressive events. (I also completely forgot I posted in this thread)

From EZScape's unlisted video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAp64SxmGY

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[Markass the Worst]

Karl Jobst's latest video says that Apollo Legend's suicide is discussed in Billy Mitchell's lawsuit against him, but can't give any more details until the lawsuit is over.

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Edit: After this he shows texts from Billy saying he had to try not to smile or giggle at Apollo Legend's death (when rumors circulated that he supposedly died in 2018).

 

[David Kirk Ginder]

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I'm in this thread because of the recently made DarkViper thread and I wanted to know more about the Apollo Legend suicide.

As a watcher of some of Karl's videos, I knew he had some past edginess but I didn't know about his pickup artist past.

This is fucking cringe holy shit. How autistic do you have to be to just come in and go: HELLO ME LADIES, LET ME JUST TELL YOU HOW KAWAII YOU LOOK TONIGHT. SINCERELY YOURS, KARL. and then he just walks away. What the fuck? What even is the point if you aren't going to try to get them to go take a drink or something?

I read your comment before watching the video and it honestly wasn't cringy that much. For a non-Chad, his body language when approaching and his speaking (confident with no stuttering) is about as good as it gets for average dude standards. Some of the female responses to him were a bit cold but that's not Karl's fault because they were above average looks so naturally, they are flooded with compliments from men.

Also the point of the video is what Karl stated in the beginning. How to rapid fire approach (eg the numbers game), what to say, and what the immediate response is like. I haven't watch his other pickup videos but I'm sure he could continue the conversation if he wanted to.

What is cringe is the logo of the silhouette woman taking a dump and what is extremely cringe is Karl's Chinese wife patting his head like a dog after he did his Goldeneye speedrun. It's hard for me to believe that Karl the pickup artist and Karl the emotional autist man child speed runner with a Chink wife is the same person.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Karl Jobst's latest video says that Apollo Legend's suicide is discussed in Billy Mitchell's lawsuit against him, but can't give any more details until the lawsuit is over.

What a misleading prick. It's not just mentioned, it's the entire basis of the lawsuit and it's why Jobst lost.

 

[AltisticRight]

billy mitchell establishing his dominance for the final time...

Well well well.
It wasn't even his final time.