Apple Thread - The most overrated technology brand?

[Optimism]

It's too bad that if they hadn't done it, someone else would have. Motorola and Nokia were right on their heels.

it's arguable that they already surpassed them years ago in most things that mattered in a smartphone back then, but what was probably unique to the iPhone that made it unlikely to be matched by anyone else was Apple's ability to fling their massive cock all over the place and especially rewrite the entire rule book that had governed vendor-carrier relations up to that point

it's worth skimming Losing the Signal for the BlackBerry side of that clusterfuck, RIM built themselves on years of careful negotiation and engineering around fragile telecom infrastructure and then suddenly Apple took a giant iShit on all of it with a so-so toy carrying a full fledged web browser that guzzled data by the gallon and pushed carriers to their limits, but nobody cared as much as they thought they would because it still printed money anyway

 

[Least Concern]

The base 2019 iMac 21" at $1099 Apple is currently selling is atrociously bad. I can't believe they would even sell something like this that's borderline obsolete. It's almost a scam it's so bad.

$1099
21.5" 1080p display
2.3ghz intel i5 DUAL CORE
1tb 5400rpm hard disc drive
8gb ram
integrated graphics

A friend of mine who knows nothing about computers just bought one of these and I have to somehow try and convince him to exchange it for literally any other model.

I was looking on youtube to see if there is any review for this model that doesn't suck apples cock and I came across the most cringe/annoying af unboxing I've ever seen:

MacRumors has a cool buyer's guide section where they list products they don't recommend that people buy because the current model is outdated and/or a new model is imminent. All of the current iMac line is listed as "caution," and that baseline one is the biggest stinker of them all.

If your friend wants to stick with the Mac, I would suggest getting a Mac mini instead plus buying a cheap 1080p monitor at Walmart or somewhere (unless they already have one). The baseline model is only $800 but will absolutely smoke that iMac, though I would suggest springing for a larger SSD than the 128GB in the baseline. Note that the Mac mini line is also listed by MR as "caution," though.

 

[LegoTugboat]

If you're going for the Mac Mini, I'd suggest trying to get your hands on a refurb 2018 model. There's none on the American Apple site (https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac) at the moment (although if your friend wanted to get a base level iMac, there's a refurb base model for $929 currently).

Thing is, Mac Minis go really fast on the refurb sites, so you'd have to keep an eye out.

Granted, the iMac video's not the worst unboxing one I've seen.

 

[אΩ+1]

If you're going for the Mac Mini, I'd suggest trying to get your hands on a refurb 2018 model. There's none on the American Apple site (https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac) at the moment (although if your friend wanted to get a base level iMac, there's a refurb base model for $929 currently).

Thing is, Mac Minis go really fast on the refurb sites, so you'd have to keep an eye out.

Granted, the iMac video's not the worst unboxing one I've seen.

If you call yourself professional you wouldn't be using a Mac Pro stand, you would buy a stand that you mount 2 monitors on.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

$1099 is around £846.

For £846, I could get the following:

- Silverstone SG13 SFF case, £39.99
- Asrock B450 ITX motherboard with integrated WiFi, £107.99
- Ryzen 3600 CPU (6 cores, 12 threads), £171.00
- Corsair 16GB 3600MHz DDR4 RAM, £109.60
- Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold SFX power supply, £89.99
- Adapter plate (ATX to SFX), for power supply, £10.00
- Nvidia RTX 2060 graphics card, compact version, £279.98
- Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 SSD, £55.85

Then reuse your previous machine's screen and keyboard and mouse.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Is it normal for Apple laptops to have shitty backlight connection, where it only works at certain angles, then never?

 

[Least Concern]

$1099 is around £846.

For £846, I could get the following:

Yes, yes, commodity PC hardware is cheaper. We're overpaying for the Apple brand and the ability to (easily and legally) run macOS. We know this, believe it or not.

Is it normal for Apple laptops to have shitty backlight connection, where it only works at certain angles, then never?

Of course not. Unfortunately, if it's a Retina screen, an Apple laptop display can be quite expensive to replace. You can usually find the products and instructions to do so on iFixit rather than taking it into a shop and paying for service, but even if you do it yourself it's likely to be so expensive that you'll have to consider if it's even worth it.

 

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My Kali laptop from a couple years ago smokes that piece of shit, and it was cheaper.
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Why would you make the host name 'Penetrator' with a capital P? Why not lowercase?

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

Why would you make the host name 'Penetrator' with a capital P? Why not lowercase?

I always use a capital on host names.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

(easily and legally) run macOS

So you're paying a premium for the operating system. Which you can hackintosh onto a PC in any event without too much trouble. And Apple doesn't sue individual hackintoshers because it's not cost effective.

Incidentally, I've got some magic beans here that cure cancer. £100 a handful. Want to buy any?

 

[Kot Johansson]

MacRumors has a cool buyer's guide section where they list products they don't recommend that people buy because the current model is outdated and/or a new model is imminent. All of the current iMac line is listed as "caution," and that baseline one is the biggest stinker of them all.

Reminds me of this recent article from Low End Mac, where a lot of machines from the decade have been marked as "Compromised", which means that they are awful in various terms (upgradeability, build quality, etc.) and they're just not worth the money.
They say that the new Mac Pro marks the end of shitty, unrepairable/unupgradeable Macintoshes, but I feel like they're being too because knowing how awful modern day Apple is, that is most likely not the case.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Reminds me of this recent article from Low End Mac, where a lot of machines from the decade have been marked as "Compromised", which means that they are awful in various terms (upgradeability, build quality, etc.) and they're just not worth the money.
They say that the new Mac Pro marks the end of shitty, unrepairable/unupgradeable Macintoshes, but I feel like they're being too because knowing how awful modern day Apple is, that is most likely not the case.

Lol, nope. CONSOOME PRODUCT, THEN GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT. Can't enforce that cycle on people if they can repair or upgrade their gear. Daily reminder that Apple deliberately bricked people's iPhones for being repaired other than in an Apple Store and paying the premium for it.

 

[Least Concern]

So you're paying a premium for the operating system. Which you can hackintosh onto a PC in any event without too much trouble. And Apple doesn't sue individual hackintoshers because it's not cost effective.

As someone who makes a living by developing software, please allow me the grace of being a bit more respectful of software licensing than the average Internet edgelord.

But part of the premium also pays for the hardware. Apple's mobile products have a proven track record for me of being able to take a lot of abuse and still let me get my work done. That iPhone SE I posted about earlier was the first time since the Steve Jobs era I've had an Apple product simply refuse to work anymore, and that includes the time I dropped a MBA in a hot tub (not as exciting of a story as it might seem to be).

They say that the new Mac Pro marks the end of shitty, unrepairable/unupgradeable Macintoshes, but I feel like they're being too because knowing how awful modern day Apple is, that is most likely not the case.

The lack of expandability and subsequent complete failure of the "trash can" Mac Pro was a come-to-Jesus moment, but only for the upper end of the product line. As much as I would love for their rediscovered love of expandability to trickle down the product line, I'm not holding my breath; there's not nearly the backlash against an unexpandable mini or MBP as there was against the Pro.

Lol, nope. CONSOOME PRODUCT, THEN GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT. Can't enforce that cycle on people if they can repair or upgrade their gear. Daily reminder that Apple deliberately bricked people's iPhones for being repaired other than in an Apple Store and paying the premium for it.

Thank you, but I don't need a daily reminder that Apple, like most hardware companies, can't guarantee the quality of its products after they have been repaired by unauthorized randos. Why are you even in this thread, angri boi?

 

[Ginger Piglet]

can't guarantee the quality of its products after they have been repaired by unauthorized randos.

Refusing to honour the warranty is one thing, but deliberately and remotely bricking them? That's low.

 

[The Fool]

As someone who makes a living by developing software, please allow me the grace of being a bit more respectful of software licensing than the average Internet edgelord.

gave you a semper-fi for that, I need to start saying this more.

Thank you, but I don't need a daily reminder that Apple, like most hardware companies, can't guarantee the quality of its products after they have been repaired by unauthorized randos. Why are you even in this thread, angri boi?

Unfortunately he's telling the truth, modern iPhones will report to the user that their screen isn't genuine if it's been repaired. No other phone does this and it does not need to, it's purely a combative tactic to discourage people from using third-party repair services which have proven to be exponentially more competitive than Apple's first-party repair services. It's a very petty tactic compared to just not treating their first-party repair service like it's McDonald's.

 

[אΩ+1]

$1099 is around £846.

For £846, I could get the following:

- Silverstone SG13 SFF case, £39.99
- Asrock B450 ITX motherboard with integrated WiFi, £107.99
- Ryzen 3600 CPU (6 cores, 12 threads), £171.00
- Corsair 16GB 3600MHz DDR4 RAM, £109.60
- Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold SFX power supply, £89.99
- Adapter plate (ATX to SFX), for power supply, £10.00
- Nvidia RTX 2060 graphics card, compact version, £279.98
- Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 SSD, £55.85

Then reuse your previous machine's screen and keyboard and mouse.

Most of those places that buy Mac Pros wouldn't build hardware, instead they would have Service Level Agreement with a vendor like HP, Dell or Apple to support their hardware.
Like for example the HP Z2 G4 Workstation equivalent to the Mac Pro costs $2398.08 USD were as the the Mac Pro costs $5,999.00 for a similar configuration.

 

[Tookie]

They say that the new Mac Pro marks the end of shitty, unrepairable/unupgradeable Macintoshes, but I feel like they're being too because knowing how awful modern day Apple is, that is most likely not the case.

That may be true if you're willing to drop $10K for a workstation. Their laptops and phones will continue to be dumpster fires. iMacs are OK for what they are but pricey and certainly not upgradable.

 

[אΩ+1]

That may be true if you're willing to drop $10K for a workstation. Their laptops and phones will continue to be dumpster fires. iMacs are OK for what they are but pricey and certainly not upgradable.

With most places that have workstations they would have either their own rendering farm or would outsource the rendering to the rendering farms that companies like Autodesk have.

 

[Mister Qwerty]

The scourge of Cupertino, Louis Rossmann, goes to Washington.

 

[Stasi]

Can't even repair your shitty overpriced laptop without Apple having a say and Tim Cook sticking his greasy finger in your wallet one more time.

Meanwhile, in Europe Apple might be told to stop fucking consumers around and use the same phone charging cable as the rest of the industry...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51137069