Apple Thread - The most overrated technology brand?

What killed Steve Jobs?

  • Pancreatic Cancer

    Votes: 60 12.2%
  • AIDS from having gay sex with Tim Cook

    Votes: 431 87.8%

  • Total voters
    491
What do you kiwis think of Apple stores in general?

I vaguely remember when they first opened, they had quite a bit of hype. There was one in Ginza (Tokyo) that had quite a line.

The stores themselves haven't changed much in almost 20 years.
Apple stores just feel eerie to me, almost like something out of a futuristic dystopia. There's something about the cubic, light, and sterile design of them that just gets to me. Like they're hiding something nasty. The cult-like behavior of Apple enthusiasts doesn't help my perception of them one bit.
 
That honestly sounds amazing, can you post a revision not tied to your real info?
Alright, but it's not the greatest. I defended Flash for the sake of the essay.
Apple: An In-Depth Look

In the world of technology, there are many polarizing topics. Out of all of those topics, however, Apple is perhaps the most notable. For decades, technology enthusiasts and others have argued whether Apple products are good and/or worth purchasing. Critics of Apple products often cite their lackluster software libraries, locked-down hardware, and prohibitively expensive prices. Apple’s proponents, on the other hand, often point out the products’ allegedly relatively more user-friendly design and durability. Additionally, Apple’s proponents frequently claim that Apple does not affect its critics’ lives as long as they do not purchase their products. Of those two sides, Apple’s criticism is more valid: while most arguments in Apple’s favor are either incorrect and/or outdated, arguments against Apple have strengthened over time.
One common perception is that Apple products are easier to use than competing ones; this idea, however, largely stems from now-obsolete products. When the original Apple Macintosh was released in 1984, it was, as Encyclopedia Britannica notes, essentially the only home computer that had an operating system with a GUI (graphical user interface); virtually all of its contemporaries used operating systems that required users to navigate via tedious command lines (“Mac OS”). Nevertheless, several of Apple’s competitors quickly followed suit by releasing their own GUI-based operating systems: Amiga’s AmigaOS, Microsoft’s Windows, and several others. Mere years after Apple released the Macintosh, its famously easy-to-use interface was no longer a unique feature among the Macintosh line.
Despite the Macintosh’s interface being reasonably evenly-matched with its competitors in terms of user-friendliness by the 1990s, Apple still had several arguments in its favor. One such argument was that iMacs were much less prone to viruses than Windows and Linux-based systems were; indeed, iMacs were immune to several notorious viruses such as “ILOVEYOU” in 2000. As MakeUseOf has noted, however, advances in computer security, virus protection software, and public savviness have made computer viruses both exponentially less destructive and a much rarer occurrence (Pot). Therefore, similar to its user interface, the fact that Apple products are less virus-prone has been a negligible point for over a decade by now.
Additionally, Apple products are often claimed to have superior build quality compared to those of its competitors. While many Apple products are indeed durable, there are several instances where Apple released a shoddy product. In May 1980, Apple released the Apple III, a home computer that lacked crucial hardware features. Unlike virtually every other personal computer on the market, the Apple III did not have an internal fan or even air vents; these are the components used to regulate a computer’s internal temperature to prevent it from overheating. Consequently, as TekRevue describes, the Apple III was prone to overheat, often to the point of dislocating internal components from their sockets on the motherboard and/or even melting floppy disks inside of the computer’s floppy disk drive (Tanous). Not an isolated incident, the iPhone 6 upon its release in September 2014 had similarly severe problems to that of the Apple III. As The Guardian wrote, the iPhone 6 was prone to bend when moderate force was applied to it; numerous reviewers and consumers alike reported it bending after putting it in a pocket (Gibbs). The Apple III and iPhone 6 were only two of many poorly-designed Apple products.
A common counterpoint to Apple criticism is that Apple supposedly has no bearing on one’s life if they’re not buying their products; while this may seem logical at a glance, there have been numerous instances where Apple’s actions have affected the rest of the world. For one example, Apple has killed off several technologies such as Adobe Flash. Throughout the 2000s, Adobe Flash was widespread on the internet; in 2008, Wired reported that 98 percent of desktop computers at the time supported Flash (Chen). When Apple released the iPhone in June 2007, however, they refused to support Flash on its iOS operating system, claiming it to run poorly and that it “was created during the PC era--for PCs and mice” (Jobs). To increase the iPhone’s compatibility with websites, web developers started moving towards alternatives to Flash such as HTML5, gradually decreasing Flash’s usage until it reached the point of obscurity; according to Bleeping Computer, merely 4.9 percent of websites in 2018 still used it (Cimpanu). Putting the final nail in Flash’s coffin, Adobe has announced they will stop supporting it entirely by the end of 2020. If Apple had not refused to support Flash on the iPhone, it may very well have remained popular to this day.
In addition to Adobe Flash, Apple has more recently endangered another common technological asset: the 3.5-millimeter audio port. When the iPhone 7 was announced in 2016, it was revealed that it would lack a headphone port; this prompted widespread backlash from critics and consumers alike. Nevertheless, when the phone was finally released, it enjoyed the same success as its predecessors. After the iPhone’s 7 success, several other major phone manufacturers began following suit, removing their own headphone ports from their subsequent phone models; as TechCrunch noted, “what was once standard to every phone became a selling point for [ones that included the port]” less than three years after the iPhone 7’s announcement (Burns). Considering Flash’s demise, it may very well be the case that the 3.5-millimeter port will be virtually eradicated from the smartphone market in mere years. Just like with Flash, Apple could have very well caused the death of the headphone port.
In addition to killing various technologies, Apple affects the entire United States government. Apple is among the largest companies in the world: Investopedia has stated that Apple’s market cap stands at 785.19 billion United States dollars as of February 2, 2019 (Picardo). Despite their wealth, Apple chooses to evade taxes: as documented by The Irish Times, Apple moves large portions of their money to tax havens such as Jersey and formerly Irish subsidiaries, costing the United States government tens of billions of dollars in taxes (Bowers). In other words, any money Apple gets is money that could have been used somewhere else, where it most likely would have been taxed normally and subsequently given the United States government the funds it desperately needs. Considering that the government is responsible for numerous assets of everyday life such as hospitals, schools, and even roads, Apple’s diversion of funds negatively affects not only consumers of Apple products, but every citizen of the United States of America.
In conclusion, Apple’s criticism is more than justified. Arguments in favor of Apple are either incorrect or outdated, and the company harms everything from the technology marketplace to the United States government. In other words, Apple negatively affects everyone in society.




Works Cited
Bowers, Simon. “Apple’s cash mountain, how it avoids tax, and the Irish link.” The Irish Times, 6 Nov. 2017, www.irishtimes.com/business/apple-s-cash-mountain-how-it-avoids-tax-and-the-irish-link-1.3281734
Burns, Matt. “The headphone jack lives!” TechCrunch, 20 Feb. 2019, techcrunch.com/2019/02/20/the-headphone-jack-lives/
Chen, Brian X. “Why Apple Won't Allow Adobe Flash on iPhone.” Wired, Condé Nast, 17 Nov. 2008, www.wired.com/2008/11/adobe-flash-on/
Cimpanu, Catalin. “Flash Used on 5% of All Websites, Down From 28.5% Seven Years Ago.” Bleeping Computer, 19 Apr. 2018, www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/flash-used-on-5-percent-of-all-websites-down-from-285-percent-seven-years-ago/
Gibbs, Samuel. “Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus can bend in pockets, users complain.” The Guardian, Guardian News & Media Limited, 25 Sep. 2014, www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/24/iphone-6-plus-bend-pockets-complain



Works Cited cont.
Jobs, Steve. “Thoughts on Flash.” Apple, Apple Inc, Apr. 2010, www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
Picardo, Elvis. “Eight of the World’s Top Companies Are American.” Investopedia, Dotdash, 3 Feb. 2019, www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/111115/why-all-worlds-top-10-companies-are-american.asp
Pot, Justin. “A History Of Computer Viruses & The Worst Ones of Today.” MakeUseOf, 19 June 2010, www.makeuseof.com/tag/history-computer-viruses-worst-today-case-wondering/
Tanous, Jim. “That Time Apple Told Apple III Customers to Drop Their Computers.” TekRevue, 13 Sep. 2014, www.tekrevue.com/apple-iii-drop/
“Mac OS | Facts & History.” Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopædia Britannica Inc., 21 Feb. 2019, www.britannica.com/technology/Mac-OS
 
Alright, but it's not the greatest. I defended Flash for the sake of the essay.
Apple: An In-Depth Look

In the world of technology, there are many polarizing topics. Out of all of those topics, however, Apple is perhaps the most notable. For decades, technology enthusiasts and others have argued whether Apple products are good and/or worth purchasing. Critics of Apple products often cite their lackluster software libraries, locked-down hardware, and prohibitively expensive prices. Apple’s proponents, on the other hand, often point out the products’ allegedly relatively more user-friendly design and durability. Additionally, Apple’s proponents frequently claim that Apple does not affect its critics’ lives as long as they do not purchase their products. Of those two sides, Apple’s criticism is more valid: while most arguments in Apple’s favor are either incorrect and/or outdated, arguments against Apple have strengthened over time.
One common perception is that Apple products are easier to use than competing ones; this idea, however, largely stems from now-obsolete products. When the original Apple Macintosh was released in 1984, it was, as Encyclopedia Britannica notes, essentially the only home computer that had an operating system with a GUI (graphical user interface); virtually all of its contemporaries used operating systems that required users to navigate via tedious command lines (“Mac OS”). Nevertheless, several of Apple’s competitors quickly followed suit by releasing their own GUI-based operating systems: Amiga’s AmigaOS, Microsoft’s Windows, and several others. Mere years after Apple released the Macintosh, its famously easy-to-use interface was no longer a unique feature among the Macintosh line.
Despite the Macintosh’s interface being reasonably evenly-matched with its competitors in terms of user-friendliness by the 1990s, Apple still had several arguments in its favor. One such argument was that iMacs were much less prone to viruses than Windows and Linux-based systems were; indeed, iMacs were immune to several notorious viruses such as “ILOVEYOU” in 2000. As MakeUseOf has noted, however, advances in computer security, virus protection software, and public savviness have made computer viruses both exponentially less destructive and a much rarer occurrence (Pot). Therefore, similar to its user interface, the fact that Apple products are less virus-prone has been a negligible point for over a decade by now.
Additionally, Apple products are often claimed to have superior build quality compared to those of its competitors. While many Apple products are indeed durable, there are several instances where Apple released a shoddy product. In May 1980, Apple released the Apple III, a home computer that lacked crucial hardware features. Unlike virtually every other personal computer on the market, the Apple III did not have an internal fan or even air vents; these are the components used to regulate a computer’s internal temperature to prevent it from overheating. Consequently, as TekRevue describes, the Apple III was prone to overheat, often to the point of dislocating internal components from their sockets on the motherboard and/or even melting floppy disks inside of the computer’s floppy disk drive (Tanous). Not an isolated incident, the iPhone 6 upon its release in September 2014 had similarly severe problems to that of the Apple III. As The Guardian wrote, the iPhone 6 was prone to bend when moderate force was applied to it; numerous reviewers and consumers alike reported it bending after putting it in a pocket (Gibbs). The Apple III and iPhone 6 were only two of many poorly-designed Apple products.
A common counterpoint to Apple criticism is that Apple supposedly has no bearing on one’s life if they’re not buying their products; while this may seem logical at a glance, there have been numerous instances where Apple’s actions have affected the rest of the world. For one example, Apple has killed off several technologies such as Adobe Flash. Throughout the 2000s, Adobe Flash was widespread on the internet; in 2008, Wired reported that 98 percent of desktop computers at the time supported Flash (Chen). When Apple released the iPhone in June 2007, however, they refused to support Flash on its iOS operating system, claiming it to run poorly and that it “was created during the PC era--for PCs and mice” (Jobs). To increase the iPhone’s compatibility with websites, web developers started moving towards alternatives to Flash such as HTML5, gradually decreasing Flash’s usage until it reached the point of obscurity; according to Bleeping Computer, merely 4.9 percent of websites in 2018 still used it (Cimpanu). Putting the final nail in Flash’s coffin, Adobe has announced they will stop supporting it entirely by the end of 2020. If Apple had not refused to support Flash on the iPhone, it may very well have remained popular to this day.
In addition to Adobe Flash, Apple has more recently endangered another common technological asset: the 3.5-millimeter audio port. When the iPhone 7 was announced in 2016, it was revealed that it would lack a headphone port; this prompted widespread backlash from critics and consumers alike. Nevertheless, when the phone was finally released, it enjoyed the same success as its predecessors. After the iPhone’s 7 success, several other major phone manufacturers began following suit, removing their own headphone ports from their subsequent phone models; as TechCrunch noted, “what was once standard to every phone became a selling point for [ones that included the port]” less than three years after the iPhone 7’s announcement (Burns). Considering Flash’s demise, it may very well be the case that the 3.5-millimeter port will be virtually eradicated from the smartphone market in mere years. Just like with Flash, Apple could have very well caused the death of the headphone port.
In addition to killing various technologies, Apple affects the entire United States government. Apple is among the largest companies in the world: Investopedia has stated that Apple’s market cap stands at 785.19 billion United States dollars as of February 2, 2019 (Picardo). Despite their wealth, Apple chooses to evade taxes: as documented by The Irish Times, Apple moves large portions of their money to tax havens such as Jersey and formerly Irish subsidiaries, costing the United States government tens of billions of dollars in taxes (Bowers). In other words, any money Apple gets is money that could have been used somewhere else, where it most likely would have been taxed normally and subsequently given the United States government the funds it desperately needs. Considering that the government is responsible for numerous assets of everyday life such as hospitals, schools, and even roads, Apple’s diversion of funds negatively affects not only consumers of Apple products, but every citizen of the United States of America.
In conclusion, Apple’s criticism is more than justified. Arguments in favor of Apple are either incorrect or outdated, and the company harms everything from the technology marketplace to the United States government. In other words, Apple negatively affects everyone in society.




Works Cited
Bowers, Simon. “Apple’s cash mountain, how it avoids tax, and the Irish link.” The Irish Times, 6 Nov. 2017, www.irishtimes.com/business/apple-s-cash-mountain-how-it-avoids-tax-and-the-irish-link-1.3281734
Burns, Matt. “The headphone jack lives!” TechCrunch, 20 Feb. 2019, techcrunch.com/2019/02/20/the-headphone-jack-lives/
Chen, Brian X. “Why Apple Won't Allow Adobe Flash on iPhone.” Wired, Condé Nast, 17 Nov. 2008, www.wired.com/2008/11/adobe-flash-on/
Cimpanu, Catalin. “Flash Used on 5% of All Websites, Down From 28.5% Seven Years Ago.” Bleeping Computer, 19 Apr. 2018, www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/flash-used-on-5-percent-of-all-websites-down-from-285-percent-seven-years-ago/
Gibbs, Samuel. “Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus can bend in pockets, users complain.” The Guardian, Guardian News & Media Limited, 25 Sep. 2014, www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/24/iphone-6-plus-bend-pockets-complain



Works Cited cont.
Jobs, Steve. “Thoughts on Flash.” Apple, Apple Inc, Apr. 2010, www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
Picardo, Elvis. “Eight of the World’s Top Companies Are American.” Investopedia, Dotdash, 3 Feb. 2019, www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/111115/why-all-worlds-top-10-companies-are-american.asp
Pot, Justin. “A History Of Computer Viruses & The Worst Ones of Today.” MakeUseOf, 19 June 2010, www.makeuseof.com/tag/history-computer-viruses-worst-today-case-wondering/
Tanous, Jim. “That Time Apple Told Apple III Customers to Drop Their Computers.” TekRevue, 13 Sep. 2014, www.tekrevue.com/apple-iii-drop/
“Mac OS | Facts & History.” Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopædia Britannica Inc., 21 Feb. 2019, www.britannica.com/technology/Mac-OS
This is a lot better than any essay I wrote in high school, good job.
 
Apple stores just feel eerie to me, almost like something out of a futuristic dystopia. There's something about the cubic, light, and sterile design of them that just gets to me. Like they're hiding something nasty. The cult-like behavior of Apple enthusiasts doesn't help my perception of them one bit.

It feels like a bunch of poseurs acting like experts. I'll take an old school parts store employee over an Apple "genius" any day.
 
It feels like a bunch of poseurs acting like experts. I'll take an old school parts store employee over an Apple "genius" any day.

It "feels" that way because that's exactly what they are. Genius Bar, GeekSquad and McDonald's all have the same hiring standards. Actually I think Genius Bar even gives staff a script on how to con customers into giving up and just buying a whole new computer.
 
I've already (exhaustively) mentioned the suckiness of the side buttons on the so-called "Mighty" Mouse. But wait, there's more!

The main buttons are sometimes unresponsive, in stark contrast with the over-responsive side buttons. The scroll "wheel" (a tiny ball) gets completely non-functional after awhile because it gets gunked up. Speaking of gunk, the smooth plastic of the mouse makes it so that it gets a disgusting buildup of dirt quickly.

And of course, the mouse was rather overpriced back in the day.
 
It "feels" that way because that's exactly what they are. Genius Bar, GeekSquad and McDonald's all have the same hiring standards. Actually I think Genius Bar even gives staff a script on how to con customers into giving up and just buying a whole new computer.

I believe it does. It also gives the staff scripts on what lines to take when confronted with criticism of Apple products. This is where the meme about the removal of the headphone socket from the iPhone being "courageous" came from.
 
It "feels" that way because that's exactly what they are. Genius Bar, GeekSquad and McDonald's all have the same hiring standards. Actually I think Genius Bar even gives staff a script on how to con customers into giving up and just buying a whole new computer.
That's true. I once applied to work at the Genius Bar several years ago, and did a lot of extensive research on how to get that job.

They don't hire anyone directly to the Genius Bar, you have to be promoted from a sales floor stooge. Expertise with computers and electronics means diddly dick. I found some quote at one point about how Apple has a mantra that you can teach people how to repair computers but you can't teach charisma, but I can't remember exactly how it went or where I found that. But that more or less explained their whole mindset on why they don't hire tech people for their tech stores.
 
I know I've made it clear that I'm not an Apple fan, but here's a mildly unpopular opinion that's positive: My favorite keyboards overall are Apple's own keyboards from the early 2010s. Like, I even own one of those Corsair RGB keyboards that cost over a hundred bucks, and I've seriously considered just swapping it out with an older wired Apple keyboard. (This is with a Windows desktop)

The one problem I have with them is that the Bluetooth ones have the FN key where CTRL should be, which is retarded but managable.

I dunno, they just feel right to me, and I can type faster on them than on anything else. The newer ones barely have any key travel and feel like I'm just typing on a flat surface. The key travel on the generation before, though? Perfect.

Though if you spill something on one, it's fucked and unreparable.

(their mice can fuck off though)
 
I know I've made it clear that I'm not an Apple fan, but here's a mildly unpopular opinion that's positive: My favorite keyboards overall are Apple's own keyboards from the early 2010s. Like, I even own one of those Corsair RGB keyboards that cost over a hundred bucks, and I've seriously considered just swapping it out with an older wired Apple keyboard. (This is with a Windows desktop)

The one problem I have with them is that the Bluetooth ones have the FN key where CTRL should be, which is exceptional but managable.

I dunno, they just feel right to me, and I can type faster on them than on anything else. The newer ones barely have any key travel and feel like I'm just typing on a flat surface. The key travel on the generation before, though? Perfect.

Though if you spill something on one, it's fucked and unreparable.

(their mice can fuck off though)
I personally use a imac g3 keyboard myself due to being poor, however it is a decent enough keyboard and I'm glad its one of the things I inherited from my grandfather
 
I know I've made it clear that I'm not an Apple fan, but here's a mildly unpopular opinion that's positive: My favorite keyboards overall are Apple's own keyboards from the early 2010s. Like, I even own one of those Corsair RGB keyboards that cost over a hundred bucks, and I've seriously considered just swapping it out with an older wired Apple keyboard. (This is with a Windows desktop)

The one problem I have with them is that the Bluetooth ones have the FN key where CTRL should be, which is exceptional but managable.

I dunno, they just feel right to me, and I can type faster on them than on anything else. The newer ones barely have any key travel and feel like I'm just typing on a flat surface. The key travel on the generation before, though? Perfect.

Though if you spill something on one, it's fucked and unreparable.

(their mice can fuck off though)
I'm using a Corsair keyboard right now (though not RGB because that's like $40 extra) and can't imagine swapping it with one of those small aluminum things. I can type at >70 WPM on any keyboard but I really like force-feedback.
 
I gotta admit, Apple makes a pretty nice keyboard. It's pricey but the USB ports at the back are awesome for things like wireless mice, or even normal mice.

Granted, for mice, I admit, I was one of the first to try the Mighty Mouse. It lasted 2 weeks before the left mouse clicker died and the ball jammed. The replacement lasted a month. After that, I bought a cheap $9 'Microtender Mouse', which lasted 4 years.

Anyway, I'll touch on something that was rather interesting, which is an Apple Arcade ad shown at the Superbowl.

 
I gotta admit, Apple makes a pretty nice keyboard. It's pricey but the USB ports at the back are awesome for things like wireless mice, or even normal mice.

Das Keyboard 4 Ultimate mechanical keyboard also has USB ports in the back, and the build quality is fantastic. It is, by far, my favorite keyboard of all time. It's mechanical while not making obnoxious clicky sounds (MX brown keys) and just feels perfect.
 
I remember going on a field trip and seeing a then-working Xerox Alto at a college. Then, later, in like...1980? '81? ads for a Xerox Star. When the Lisa (the first one, with two 5.25 drives, not the Lisa that was a Macintosh in a Lisa case) came out and I got to see it for the first time I blurted out "This is just a copy of what Xerox already has!" (I was young and didn't know Apple was draining Xerox's mindshare).
 
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