Are atheists afraid of hell / punishment for the wicked after death?

[biozeminadae1]

1) Yeah I was being charitable by refering to it as a failing, personally I consider the implications that it's simple disobediance much worse.
2) Yes which at best reflects badly on god at worst suggests god is evil.

It's not, to be with God, you need to believe in Him and follow his commandments. The Israelis frequently broke them under Moses, and frequently the trespassers were destroyed.
God doesn't care that much, He leaves that job to His son Jesus.

 

[Emperor Julian]

It's not, to be with God, you need to believe in Him and follow his commandments. The Israelis frequently broke them under Moses, and frequently the trespassers were destroyed.
God doesn't care that much, He leaves that job to His son Jesus.

That really doesnt help the case. It just makes god look awful.
God and jesus are effectively the same entity theologically

 

[biozeminadae1]

That really doesnt help the case. It just makes god look awful.
God and jesus are effectively the same entity theologically

They're not the same, it's just that Jesus comes from God, so Jesus is God by that virtue. Jesus is the connection through which the Word is spread among the non-Jewish peoples.

God is the great judge that will judge humanity in the arrival of the Coming Kingdom, the judgement will based on whether you believe in Him or not, other aspects are sort of secondary. It might seem harsh, but just as the people in Hell are no longer the same they were when they were alive, so too the people who are going to be in Heaven. It's a transcendental existence, one where God is no longer a part of you, the other where you are a part of God.

Judaism has had several revolutions in its history. It appears contradictory, because the compilators that made the Bible tried their best to include the various mythic, historic and cryptic events that occurred in their nation's history. In a way, God is almost a different character in every book of the Old Testament.

The narrative of Exodus has the Israelis being the cause of almost all of their problems. Seriously, even Moses didn't fully believe in God, hence why he wasn't allowed to step foot in Canaan.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

1)yes I get the premise of salvation and damnation. It's just silly, especially with video game referances.
2) human beings don't really work that way, also this doesnt really address the problem of evil.

1) If I'd have used classical literature refferences, would it have made it less silly lol
2) Is that your professional opinion or poetic interpretation?
All in all, you don't really seem to even give a shit about this.

 

[Emperor Julian]

1) If I'd have used classical literature refferences, would it have made it less silly lol
2) Is that your professional opinion or poetic interpretation?
All in all, you don't really seem to even give a shit about this.

1) maybe since cringe is subjective but why bother with a referance yourpoint was well explained
2) Both.
True

They're not the same, it's just that Jesus comes from God, so Jesus is God by that virtue. Jesus is the connection through which the Word is spread among the non-Jewish peoples.

God is the great judge that will judge humanity in the arrival of the Coming Kingdom, the judgement will based on whether you believe in Him or not, other aspects are sort of secondary. It might seem harsh, but just as the people in Hell are no longer the same they were when they were alive, so too the people who are going to be in Heaven. It's a transcendental existence, one where God is no longer a part of you, the other where you are a part of God.

Judaism has had several revolutions in its history. It appears contradictory, because the compilators that made the Bible tried their best to include the various mythic, historic and cryptic events that occurred in their nation's history. In a way, God is almost a different character in every book of the Old Testament.

The narrative of Exodus has the Israelis being the cause of almost all of their problems. Seriously, even Moses didn't fully believe in God, hence why he wasn't allowed to step foot in Canaan.

This is a lot closer to arianism than is typical. What denomination are you?

Harsh is a bit of a understatement considering how unbelievably fucked up hell is suggested to be.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

1) maybe since cringe is subjective but why bother with a referance yourpoint was well explained
2) Both.
True

1) I'd imagine you hold religion cringe so I undoubtedly subconsciously doubled down on your own premise lol
2) Professional poets, sensible folk as they are, are religious and produce beautiful works of hope and will, while the hedonist ilk produce dismal celebrations of absolutely nothing, if nothing but absolute horror otherwise.
You should care though. It adds color to life.

 

[Emperor Julian]

1) I'd imagine you hold religion cringe so I undoubtedly subconsciously doubled down on your own premise lol
2) Professional poets, sensible folk as they are, are religious and produce beautiful works of hope and will, while the hedonist ilk produce dismal celebrations of absolutely nothing, if nothing but absolute horror otherwise.
You should care though. It adds color to life.

1) Quite the opposite, religion is a fascinating insitution and has several merits
2) I tend to avoid such simplistic models, not in the least because they're catagorically false. a pathetic wreck of a man may create great art such as kurt cobain wereas I don't think anyone would contend the newboys arnt pure dogshit.

I do immensely I just don't 'care' about this disussion of Hell because I find the idea of it retarded so it's hard to generate much interest in the idea emotionally.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

1) Quite the opposite, religion is a fascinating insitution and has several merits
2) I tend to avoid such simplistic models, not in the least because they're catagorically false. a pathetic wreck of a man may create great art such as kurt cobain wereas I don't think anyone would contend the newboys arnt pure dogshit.

I do immensely I just don't 'care' about his disussion of Hell because I find the idea of it retarded so it's hard to generate much interest in the idea emotionally.

1) What's that saying again? Attitudes speak louder than opinions?
2) Great art is bound to the greatness of its artist. The more wretched the artist, the lesser his great art becomes, while a humble man's creation by sheer simplicity can touch the heart deeper than great art makes you think it do.
You don't really 'care' about the subject. From my professional, unbiased and providential judgement, you care about your own subjective fascination than any objective merit.

 

[Emperor Julian]

1) What's that saying again? Attitudes speak louder than opinions?
2) Great art is bound to the greatness of its artist. The more wretched the artist, the lesser his great art becomes, while a humble man's creation by sheer simplicity can touch the heart deeper than great art makes you think it do.
You don't really 'care' about the subject. From my professional, unbiased and providential judgement, you care about your own subjective fascination than any objective merit.

1)that's a stupid saying, you've contextually asked me to elaborate on specific facet of religion on an anon forum known for it's irreverance. My thoughts on religion are way more complex than I've articulated in a fairly casual discussion.
2) Not really I can think of multiple talented artists who an personally wastes of flesh of the top of my head. I'm unsure how you can even hold this stance.

By contrast I havnt considered your motivations since I tend to trust people are talking in good faith. But your assesment is wrong anyway.

 

[biozeminadae1]

1) maybe since cringe is subjective but why bother with a referance yourpoint was well explained
2) Both.
True


This is a lot closer to arianism than is typical. What denomination is thais

Harsh is a bit of a understatement considering how unbelievably fucked up hell is suggested to be.

Orthodox, but I'm not an actual Christian.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

1)that's a stupid saying, you've contextually asked me to elaborate on specific facet of religion on an anon forum. My thoughts on religion are way more complex than I've articulated in a fairly casual discussion.
2) Not really I can think of multiple talented artists who an personally wastes of flesh of the top of my head. I'm unsure how you can even hold this stance.

By contrast I havnt considered your motivations since I tend to trust people are talking in good faith. But your assesment is wrong anyway.

1) First of, I asked nothing and your superiority manifests solely within your own. I've read your posts and I am not surprised any more than I ever have been in the past.
2) Art is subjective, but true art will always be objective by sheer reaction.
That's your problem, I think. You assume the wrong things in the wrong places and so presume too much.

 

[Peddled675]

ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT!?

An atheist isn't someone who doesn't "believes in" god. An atheist is somebody who thinks or to themselves know a higher power doesn't exist. They deny gods existence.

I'm agnostic, I think there is a god but at the end of the day I don't know. Is there a hell? I don't know.

I think aliens exist. Do I believe in/have the confidence in them? No, that's fucking retarded.

 

[Emperor Julian]

1) First of, I asked nothing and your superiority manifests solely within your own. I've read your posts and I am not surprised any more than I ever have been in the past.
2) Art is subjective, but true art will always be objective by sheer reaction.
That's your problem, I think. You assume the wrong things in the wrong places and so presume too much.

1) Makes sense since I'm not superior. If anything it'd be suprising if you hadnt encountered simular views. I know I've heard your arguements before.
2) Possibly but objectively would you conceed many great artists irl are complete trash?
It seems more of a you problem since you're speculating on my character flaws for rhetoric.

Orthodox, but I'm not an actual Christian.

Okay that's genuinly interesting. Could you elaborate?

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

1) Makes sense since I'm not superior. If anything it'd be suprising if you hadnt encountered simular views. I know I've heard your arguements before.
2) Possible but objectively would you conceed many great artists irl are complete trash?
It seems more of a you problem since you're speculating on my character flaws for rhetoric.

1) In my years of being a Christian, I've encountered it all. that's why I'm not impressed lol
2) No. As I said, true'er art comes from true artists. Great art as great as it may be rots in the shadow of the trash it came from.
There's a saying about how irony sometimes reveals more truth than people think. It becomes especially true when you go in circles.

 

[MadStan]

The God Delusion is one of the most damning afflictions on the Human Species.

And those at the top who peddle it are made of crueler stuff than any dictator or government.

 

[Emperor Julian]

1) In my years of being a Christian, I've encountered it all. that's why I'm not impressed lol
2) No. As I said, true'er art comes from true artists. Great art as great as it may be rots in the shadow of the trash it came from.
There's a saying about how irony sometimes reveals more truth than people think. It becomes especially true when you go in circles.

1) Ditto. I mean it'd be pretty pathetic if all it took to rock your faith was a casual dicussion in the autistic thunderdome.
2) This is catagorically false.

I don't know if it's a saying but if you rely on rotes, slogans or memes to validate your self-assuring notions then you're probably wrong.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

1) Ditto. I mean it'd be pretty pathetic if all it took to rock your faith was a casual dicussion in the autistic thunderdome.
2) This is catagorically false.

I don't know if it's a saying but if you rely on rotes, slogans or memes to validate your self-assuring notions then you're probably wrong.

1) Xept one of us has faith, the other has a facination.
2) It's false if you value aesthetics over meaning.
If you value might over right, you have a terrible sense of humor and low self esteem. That's also a saying, I think.

 

[Emperor Julian]

1) Xept one of us has faith, the other has a facination.
2) It's false if you value aesthetics over meaning.
If you value might over right, you have a terrible sense of humor and low self esteem. That's also a saying, I think.

Now you're just trying to get the last word in while trying to sound worldly, which is genuinly boring.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Now you're just trying to get the last word in, which is genuinly boring.

I've been trying to get the last word in for the last six post or something like that lol

 

[L50LasPak]

Damnation awaits us all no matter what you believe.