Are future generations gonna continually be weaker, more cowardly and more retarded than our ancestors. - Makes you wonder if our future generations are doomed to a marxist idiocracy.

[Alex Hogendorp]

The idea that made me ask this question has more to do with the buildings and back breaking efforts our ancestors went through more than the dumbing down of future generations and the lore with J.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. From what I heard of the lore in The Lord of the Rings (especially when the movie takes place in the third age) is then men in the third age regardless of which side you're on are weaker than men of the second age of which men of the second age are weaker than the first age. Now I don't want to go full schizo mode on conspiracies (I'll leave the assumptions to you). But I looked at old photographs of Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco, etc. And they happen to have very masterfully crafted buildings that are no longer there anymore, (A modernist's war on traditional architecture) but I wonder how our ancestors break their backs into making these buildings (example 1893 Columbus World Expo in Chicago that was torn down that same year). More recent in history in the early 20th century is that abandoned gold mine that has went through many renovations. I watch this urbex video of this gold mine and I often wonder the back breaking efforts on building the structure on the side of a mounting and hauling a heavy amount of dense gold on your backs climbing up and down that mountain. It's a very interesting watch for those who have an hour to spare.

On that same subject. The mass importation of the third world may also effect the IQ of future generations as the third world tends of have people who record extremely low IQ levels. On top of being weak and pathetic often is only capable of destroying human efforts more than nature ever could (only behind the culprits to pushed the mass migration narrative to begin with (ex. Justin Trudeau who happens to destroy small businesses and the economy) and is why their only response to the death of fentanyl abuser George Floyd is to burn down buildings and violently attack white people (whom a growing number of people vote to take their guns away)). It makes me wonder if a certain race is either long behind or just completely incapable of critical thinking. It should be clear to anyone that mass immigration and demoralization (critical race theory) is the catalyst on destroying western civilization.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

ITS THE CAMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FREAKING FROGS (humans) GAY!

 

[PurpleBurger88]

Obligatory: Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times

A lot depends on technology and what that looks like for the future. Technology, AI, etc could end up taking care of people like in the movie Wall-E. Where we can get fat and dumb with no consequences. AI could maintain itself removing the need for human maintainers allowing us to all become 600lb tranny retards on scooters. I doubt that's how it'll happen. I think we will degrade to the point of complete chaos before AI becomes that efficient. Not to mention I believe we are about to escalate into WWIII in the next 5 years, but that's a whole other discussion.
Either way, the future looks awful. The worst part will be living in a majority non White society. Shieeet

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

ITS THE CAMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FREAKING FROGS (humans) GAY!

Interesting to note this. Fluoride is another culprit of the dumbing down of our generations. Now forgive me for having awfully yellow British teeth but that may have improved my cognitive abilities because toothpaste often contains Fluoride and it even proudly advertises that on it's products.

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

There is a scientific hypothesis I once had explained to me that we have been getting dumber as a species for centuries. That the average intelligence right now is actually lower than the average intelligence in ancient Rome or ancient Babylonia and it will continue to drop.
It basically argues that modern societies (by modern what is meant is the last few centuries, not just recent times) save people who would in the past not have survived/would not have reproduced, and allows them to reproduce. Especially people who are lower than average IQ and physically weaker people, not people who are clearly disabled but people who would have struggled, died younger, and reproduced less or not at all. While charity and support also existed in places like ancient Rome, more recent societies and Christianity have institutionalised it to such an extent that these less equipped people are reproducing enough that they are bringing down the fitness of the entire population.

On the other hand, you can argue that nutrition quality is so much better now than in ancient societies that the population on average is far healthier and has far better brain development since childhood due to eliminating malnutrition, and that this alone completely outweighs the detrimental effects of 'unfit' people breeding.

I have no idea what is true and we'll never be able to prove it either way anyway. But it's an interesting proposition.

 

[Fareal]

A good war with 100 million or so killed would freshen things right up.

 

[Brightstar777]

i think it's because life is getting easier you have this illusion

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

On that same subject. The mass importation of the third world may also effect the IQ of future generations as the third world tends of have people who record extremely low IQ levels. On top of being weak and pathetic often is only capable of destroying human efforts more than nature ever could (only behind the culprits to pushed the mass migration narrative to begin with (ex. Justin Trudeau who happens to destroy small businesses and the economy) and is why their only response to the death of fentanyl abuser George Floyd is to burn down buildings and violently attack white people (whom a growing number of people vote to take their guns away)). It makes me wonder if a certain race is either long behind or just completely incapable of critical thinking. It should be clear to anyone that mass immigration and demoralization (critical race theory) is the catalyst on destroying western civilization.

IQ is a product of environment, so a race in the correct environment will increase in IQ. This is how the ancestors of Jews, who were probably 80-90 IQ like their Arab neighbors or Mizrahim (native Middle Eastern Jews), evolved into the Ashkenazi who are 105 IQ. Ancient Asian populations evolved into the modern Han Chinese who are all 105 IQ.

Obligatory: Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times

A lot depends on technology and what that looks like for the future. Technology, AI, etc could end up taking care of people like in the movie Wall-E. Where we can get fat and dumb with no consequences. AI could maintain itself removing the need for human maintainers allowing us to all become 600lb tranny retards on scooters. I doubt that's how it'll happen. I think we will degrade to the point of complete chaos before AI becomes that efficient. Not to mention I believe we are about to escalate into WWIII in the next 5 years, but that's a whole other discussion.
Either way, the future looks awful. The worst part will be living in a majority non White society. Shieeet

You're definitely correct that the real threat to IQ is technology. Making society so resilient ensures that problems aren't corrected, so society can literally be falling apart but because just enough capable people remain, the core system was good, and the technology and computers behind it are so good, the society lingers on for decades or even centuries. In the past, this was impossible. A society as suicidal and idiotic as our own would be conquered by a neighboring kingdom or forced to reform.

Look at all the shit in the Western world right now, and imagine just how long the current situation could persist if we had advanced automation, artificial wombs, and nuclear fusion. Imagine a society where it's mandatory to sacrifice your firstborn to Satan and eat their corpse, families are abolished for the sake of equity and you get children to raise from the state, DEI is now DEIO with the "O" being mandatory team-building sodomy orgies starting in preschool, and the highest life goal consists nonstop consumption of 3M (McDonalds, Marvel, and Mountain Dew). Society would be so high tech that it would be nigh-impossible to course correct. There'd be plenty of disasters here and there, but society would keep functioning for decades before all those little disasters added up and things started going over the edge. And once it did, it would be too late.

The only bright spot is that future technology will make social engineering even easier...oh wait that's not a bright spot given who's in control now.

On the other hand, you can argue that nutrition quality is so much better now than in ancient societies that the population on average is far healthier and has far better brain development since childhood due to eliminating malnutrition, and that this alone completely outweighs the detrimental effects of 'unfit' people breeding.

Malnutrition stunts IQ, and hunter gatherer tribes were more likely to be hit with intermittent famines because of the cyclical nature of their food collection (i.e. late winter/early spring were always lean months at best since winter food stores were exhausted) and because they didn't have the infrastructure.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Imagine a society where it's mandatory to sacrifice your firstborn to Satan and eat their corpse, families are abolished for the sake of equity and you get children to raise from the state, DEI is now DEIO with the "O" being mandatory team-building sodomy orgies starting in preschool, and the highest life goal consists nonstop consumption of 3M (McDonalds, Marvel, and Mountain Dew). Society would be so high tech that it would be nigh-impossible to course correct. There'd be plenty of disasters here and there, but society would keep functioning for decades before all those little disasters added up and things started going over the edge. And once it did, it would be too late.

you know, maybe Russia+China takeover is preferable.

 

[liam dees]

so what if that is true? what should i, or anyone, do about it? that is the question i use to lead my life. as the cliche goes, it is a search for purpose, meaning, or even to create my own. i hope everyone in this thread takes to the advice in 'the serenity prayer' by reinhold neibuhr. if you are not familiar, here it is:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

On the other hand, you can argue that nutrition quality is so much better now than in ancient societies that the population on average is far healthier and has far better brain development since childhood due to eliminating malnutrition, and that this alone completely outweighs the detrimental effects of 'unfit' people breeding.

Far better potential for brain development. All the nutrition in the world doesn't make a person smarter if all they're exposed to is videogames, education designed to pass the common denominator, and media so adverse to the basic idea of literacy that understanding is considered detrimental to the narrative. We're not challenged to use that potential at any meaningful level.

Even outside of the genetic dead ends that are being made to persist medically, our technology and knowledge allows people to persist in wildly disconnected lifestyles and avoid the consequences of terrible decisions. What would have been a life of suffering under painful venereal disease for being promiscuous is now a couple weeks of pills, so why stop? What could easily have been a lethal jaunt into recreational narcotics is now a narcan pen and off you go, so why stop? What used to be dangerous winters and a need for forward planning in your life is now a car and a jaunt over to mcdonalds in a blizzard for a mcrib, so why stop?

Much of intelligence development, like most other development in people, comes from outside influences demanding it. Our world is so stripped of threats, so much has been conquered, that you don't need to be intelligent to survive it, so most people never develop that potential that our food supply offers. The people in OP's post built the mine atop the mountain and hiked gold down its side because that's what needed to be done for them to survive in those times, and that's what made them as they were, not the other way around.

Meanwhile, our society continues to more and more heavily socialize people, and I think Ted got it right when he noted that was fucking with things.

so what if that is true? what should i, or anyone, do about it?

Raise better children. The state of every future generation is determined by the actions of its parents, and its copium from shitty ones to pretend otherwise.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I just want to get in here before that shithead does. You know the one. The guy who ignores everything that's happened over the past 35 years, and tries to convince you that "you were just as retarded as Gen Alpha when you were that age". "It's just kids these days syndrome, and you're getting old."

No, this isn't "kids these days syndrome". I'm still decently young, and unlike the previous generations, I DO understand Gen Z and Alpha, because culture and society haven't advanced since I was a kid and they effectively have the same culture as Millenials did. That's the unsettling part.

Kids are actually getting dumber. It's not generational confusion, it's not me failing to understand a hip new fad or the latest trends, because all of that shit is basically still the same as it was. Generation Alpha is actually fucking scary stupid, especially the older ones. I do on-and-off work for a school, so I have a pretty good picture of this. The ones in seventh grade talk like they all need speech therapy, they're almost completely illiterate, unable to spell words I learned when I was four, and they behave like fucking feral children. They're seriously developmentally stunted by nearly a decade off from where they should be. A class full of 12 and 13 year olds today are what you'd expect out of a class full of 7 year olds in the 90s. This is in an upper-middle class white area, so you can't blame the browns for this one.

With that stupidity comes cowardice and weakness, of course. I will say that the one big thing that's changed since I was a kid, is that every single playground around town is empty, even the skatepark. The cause is obvious, but ever since covid, I haven't seen any kids at the park. It's like I'm living in Half-Life 2's Future Bulgaria. So, they're not going outside, their "education" is daycare, and I barely even see children in public, so where are they?

I think you can hazard a guess.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

you can argue that nutrition quality is so much better now than in ancient societies that the population on average is far healthier and has far better brain development since childhood due to eliminating malnutrition

can we though? No one was eating goyslop back then... assuming you had no lack of food the food you would eat would be stuff much better than the garbage poison we shove down our gullets today.

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

Much of intelligence development, like most other development in people, comes from outside influences demanding it. Our world is so stripped of threats, so much has been conquered, that you don't need to be intelligent to survive it, so most people never develop that potential that our food supply offers.

That is an excelllent point.

can we though? No one was eating goyslop back then

Yes, while goyslop is shit for developing childen it's not nearly as bad as malnutrition. We musn't underestimate how poor nutrition was in early settled societies. There were population explosions that happened when people developed a slightly more nutritious type of grain. More recently in history the Dutch grew several inches and became the tallest people in the world because they got better nutrition, they were all manlets during their 'Golden Age'.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

There are no more generations after this one

World end in 2040-60

 

[Jhonson the Two]

I don't know about your question, but it made me remember the Behaviorial sink by doing the Universe 25 experiment or "mice utopia" by John B. Calhoun.
(an easier one to understand, but less detailed)

 

[Odd Opossum]

Probably, but when I look at all the retards in my personal life, all of them are miserable outcasts who are going to die alone and childless. Only a handful will ever have children. The reason you see so many people being losers and idiots and failures is because in modern western countries, it's never been easier to give up and be applauded for it by dorks online.

 

[JustTheFaxcts]

so what if that is true? what should i, or anyone, do about it? that is the question i use to lead my life. as the cliche goes, it is a search for purpose, meaning, or even to create my own. i hope everyone in this thread takes to the advice in 'the serenity prayer' by reinhold neibuhr. if you are not familiar, here it is:

This is a good point and one I see lacking in a lot of the younger generation I talk with. They will be worked up about some stupid political thing but pay no attention to their own life. Society does well when people improve themselves and their immediate surroundings instead of trying to bandwagon on an abstract externally-defined cause. This seems to be system wide and incredibly destructive across the west. Corporations that no longer focus on products but instead 'diversity', or lefties in poverty who can't muster up the energy for a steady job but can go protest every idiotic whim of their handlers.

With that said it is good to be aware of negative trends so you can push back when possible while working to avoid the worst of it. Those who fled the cities and places like California early did better than those who waited till house prices went through the roof.

Also, I see a huge abstraction in terms of socialization and family-like relations. In past times a person would have a spouse, kids, and local social group (shriners, hunting lodge, etc.). These social needs have instead been commoditized and put for sale online. Instead of a wife you can simp on onlyfans, instead of a daughter you can superchat a vtuber, instead of local groups you have discord. The more people move to these trends the more it degrades the opportunities for IRL connections.

AI will likely make everything even worse. Now you can have a custom tailored experience that optimizes for your preferences. You can readily train models based on human preferences and engagement, there's no reason not to make them as addictive as possible. This is already what happens when you see the little thumbs-up/down or two outputs from ChatGPT. At least with onlyfans, vtubers, discord, etc. there is still a human element instead of a tuned algorithm designed to extract capital from you as efficiently as possible.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Kids are actually getting dumber. It's not generational confusion, it's not me failing to understand a hip new fad or the latest trends, because all of that shit is basically still the same as it was. Generation Alpha is actually fucking scary stupid, especially the older ones. I do on-and-off work for a school, so I have a pretty good picture of this. The ones in seventh grade talk like they all need speech therapy, they're almost completely illiterate, unable to spell words I learned when I was four, and they behave like fucking feral children. They're seriously developmentally stunted by nearly a decade off from where they should be. A class full of 12 and 13 year olds today are what you'd expect out of a class full of 7 year olds in the 90s. This is in an upper-middle class white area, so you can't blame the browns for this one.

This is probably mostly because of scamdemic lockdowns which in some places robbed children of over 2 years of socialization. Even where children attended school, the mask mandates were crippling to social development since wearing a mask impairs ability to recognize faces and even properly learn to speak.

Yes, while goyslop is shit for developing childen it's not nearly as bad as malnutrition. We musn't underestimate how poor nutrition was in early settled societies. There were population explosions that happened when people developed a slightly more nutritious type of grain. More recently in history the Dutch grew several inches and became the tallest people in the world because they got better nutrition, they were all manlets during their 'Golden Age'.

It's actually really hard to get malnourished on goyslop (but does happen, usually in trailer trash/ghetto trash), and usually it manifests as a nutrient deficiency or two instead of the many nutrient deficiencies found in the true malnutrition i.e. modern Africa or what our ancestors dealt with.

I'd say it's only as bad because it's almost always accompanied by obesity which is damaging for life compared to malnutrition which is usually only temporary. Obesity is also proven as a contributor to IQ decline. McDonalds Happy Meals and those commercials for junk food that aired when I was a kid in the 90s are on the level of trying to market booze and cigarettes to kids, since it causes a lifetime of issues. Now childhood obesity can be cured (one fat kid I knew in elementary school was absolutely jacked by the time he graduated high school), but the same parents who let their kids get obese aren't encouraging their children to make good choices like that.

 

[Drael]

IQ is a product of environment

How do you feel about the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study?