Are Viruses Real?

[teriyakiburns]

Faggots like Pasteur were frauds

So you believe in spontaneous generation, then?

 

[potato in mah painus]

So the reason you’re being simultaneously so aggressive and so wrong is that you’re stupid, right? Vaccinated, no doubt?

You thought you could see a virus through your microscope yet you lecture others about science …

What's funny is my mistake proved the fucker is here to thread shit and nothing more, also highly sus that 3 fresh meat accounts are all here at the same time joining in.

Makes the glownigger and shill accusations likely true.

 

[Marmite Despiser]

So you believe in spontaneous generation, then?

i believe that a french faggot inserting shit particles and chunks of rotting spinal cord from animals that died of rabies into the skulls of healthy dogs to prove that rabies is caused by a virus he failed to ever isolate is retarded as fuck

 

[Protistology]

Look frens a lot of The Science is straight up bullshit. Faggots like Pasteur were frauds and entire fields of The Science are propped up on baseline assumptions that today would be laughed at but with the gravy trains rolling through no one wants to fuck with them.

@Aether Witch I'm progressively getting on the virology = as real as the hall of costs bandwagon because there are many cases where claims are demonstrable bullshit, but how can any alternate theories explain shit like herpes?

Just block and ignore

 

[teriyakiburns]

i believe that a french faggot inserting shit particles and chunks of rotting spinal cord from animals that died of rabies into the skulls of healthy dogs to prove that rabies is caused by a virus he failed to ever isolate is retarded as fuck

So you're on the same level as people who believe in spontaneous regeneration, otherwise you'd not so seriously mischaracterise what Pasteur actually did, in order to make yourself feel smart.

What is it with these newfags, shitting up perfectly good threads with such schizophrenic takes?

 

[Marmite Despiser]

So you're on the same level as people who believe in spontaneous regeneration, otherwise you'd not so seriously mischaracterise what Pasteur actually did, in order to make yourself feel smart.

What is it with these newfags, shitting up perfectly good threads with such schizophrenic takes?

oh what Heckin' Science did he ackshully do regarding rabies? Other than his injections inducing paralysis and eventual death in a non-negligible proportion of his victims.

 

[Aether Witch]

@Aether Witch I'm progressively getting on the virology = as real as the hall of costs bandwagon because there are many cases where claims are demonstrable bullshit, but how can any alternate theories explain shit like herpes?

Coincidentally, Dr. Sam Bailey has a great video about herpes.

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/What-We-Weren't-Taught-About-Herpes:3?src=embed

There are so many illnesses/ailments that can be explained through other perfectly logical ways, but these explanations will not sell antibiotics. For example, my mother gets mouth herpes whenever she's really stressed and emotionally tired, without fail. But again, the burden of proof isn't on those of us shedding light on the virus fraud. Just because we point out that a certain field is a scam doesn't mean that we have to provide the alternative. All I know is that everything I've investigated about virology is rotten to the core, I expose that because I think it's really important, since the whole of modern medicine is tied in one way or another to this, but that doesn't mean I have any responsibility beyond that. (Of course, I'm happy to share whatever I know, but when it gets to people asking me about every specific illness under the Sun, I'm just not going to have the explanation as to what causes what sometimes. An illness can come from a lot of different factors. The fact that so many people have falled for the virus model makes sense, because it's really really simple. Whereas in reality, things are a lot more complex than that. I could be having a headache because I've spent hours in front of a screen and not had much sleep, or it could be due to a nutrient defficiency, or it could be a combination of both, or something completely unrelated.)

So you believe in spontaneous generation, then?

"So you don't believe that this magical particle that's never been proven to exist isnt' what's causing X, so therefore there's no other explanation for X other than spontaneous generation". Do you realize how stupid you sound?

 

[teriyakiburns]

"So you don't believe that this magical particle that's never been proven to exist isnt' what's causing X, so therefore there's no other explanation for X other than spontaneous generation". Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Follow the thread.

Louis Pasteur disproved spontaneous generation (amongst other things).

He says Louis Pasteur is a fraud.

The conclusion is that he thinks Loui Pasteur didn't disprove spontaneous generation, and consequently believes it's real.

Incidentally, we can see virus particles with electron beam microscopy. But I'm sure you're going to reject that as all fake too, because anything that contradicts your delusion must be a lie.

 

[Aether Witch]

He says Louis Pasteur is a fraud.

Louis Pasteur was a fraud. Even scientists of his time called this out.

The conclusion is that he thinks Loui Pasteur didn't disprove spontaneous generation, and consequently believes it's real.

You sure seem to love jumping into conclusions and putting words in people's mouths.

Incidentally, we can see virus particles with electron beam microscopy. But I'm sure you're going to reject that as all fake too, because anything that contradicts your delusion must be a lie.

There's a huge problem with electron microscopy for several reasons. 1: The cells need to be processed for the electron microscopy imaging, meaning they're not in their natural state when they're under the microscope. It comes back to the cell cultures they do, none of the shit they put into those cultures is present in the human body or in nature.
2. The process itself of electron microscopy damages the cells.
The images obtained through electron microscopy can't be deemed proof of the existence of any supposedly viral paricle; what virologists do is put certain cells under the microscope and any strange vesicles they see (that could have been produced through the damaging process itself) are claimed to be "virus particles". If you don't see any problems with this, you don't understand the very basics of the scientific method.

Also, I wish some of you would at the very least have an open mind, because this very thing is explained in A Farewell to Virology. Dr. Mark Bailey explains it a lot better than I can, too. Maybe if you took the time to read it you'd at least become more knowledgeable about what we are saying, even if you're not convinced.

https://drsambailey.com/a-farewell-to-virology-expert-edition/

 

[Dr. Kinder]

THE VIRUS IS THE WORLD IS FLAT AND PRINCESS DI KNEW! JOAN RIVERS TRIED TO WARN YA, LADDY! SIX FEET SIX FEET OBAMA CHEF DROWNED IN SIX FEET OF GLOBAL WARMING. WATER ALWAYS FINDS ITS LEVEL MAGA!

 

[Gog & Magog]

The very roots of virology as a field are based in shoddy pseudosientific horsecrap.

Fascinating, you may be onto something. My friend @RACISM doesn't believe in any vaccines either! You should DM him so you two can discuss more of these no-virus theories.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Fascinating, you may be onto something. My friend @RACISM doesn't believe in any vaccines either!

Even anti-vax niggers usually aren't retarded enough to not believe in viruses.

 

[bile demon]

Nice animefag reaction images, you autistic doublenigger.

it's pretty effective at preventing hospitalization and death but not infections.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/149410-estimation-of-excess-mortality-in-germany-during-2020-2022#!/

The results show that the observed number of deaths in 2020 was close to the expected number with respect to the empirical standard deviation; approximately 4,000 excess deaths occurred. By contrast, in 2021, the observed number of deaths was two empirical standard deviations above the expected number and even more than four times the empirical standard deviation in 2022. In total, the number of excess deaths in the year 2021 is about 34,000 and in 2022 about 66,000 deaths, yielding a cumulated 100,000 excess deaths in both years. The high excess mortality in 2021 and 2022 was mainly due to an increase in deaths in the age groups between 15 and 79 years and started to accumulate only from April 2021 onward. A similar mortality pattern was observed for stillbirths with an increase of about 9.4% in the second quarter and 19.4% in the fourth quarter of the year 2021 compared to previous years.

Miring that effective death prevention.

 

[indomitable snowman]

Everyone ITT just do this. He's a retard, just ignore and move on.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Everyone ITT just do this. He's a retard, just ignore and move on.

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Absolutely not.
This is The Place for grinding gears of all kinds.
Embrace the feels.

 

[Cheeseknife]

@Aether Witch

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I will say, though, you're going to get a lot of pushback on this, even here on KF, because you're dealing with Science as religion and not science (lower case "s") as a tool of discovery. Like, we know throughout history people have come up with a variety of methodologies for studying and curing illnesses. Many of these methodologies have been debunked throughout time (like bloodletting) but we need to remember that during those times, people didn't know any better. The science of medicine is and always has been an animal that is constantly evolving.

It is the pinnacle of hubris to assume everything one knows in one's own time is everything that is and always shall be. We should always be mindful that even the most prominent beliefs and practices are prone to our own propensity to folly and that, hundreds of years from now, the people of today will be referred to as people who didn't know any better.

What worries me today is this idea that we can't even question whether or not virology is a false avenue, much like bloodletting, trepanning, needle eye surgery, or medical astrology. People cannot even imagine a future where our forebears a few hundred years from now will be looking back at the 21st century the same we we look at medicine practiced in the 16th century. People don't even want to think about the fact that we have any number of medical practices today that are wholly and utterly based on Science as dogma rather than science as a tool.

 

[Vecr]

Lets say we accept your definition of "virus" as correct. (virus = (your virus)), and we accept that with your definition and the evidence you have, viruses to a high likelihood don't exist. Let's define a new term, "freebolpuff" as the type of object that causes herpes symptoms as well as the immune reaction commonly known to be associated with herpes symptoms. Do you think it's possible to create a drug that modifies the immune reaction against a type of "freebolpuff" in a way that the modification of the immune reaction is mostly preserved after the drug is gone, reducing the symptoms caused by that type of "freebolpuff"?

 

[AgendaPoster]

What worries me today is this idea that we can't even question whether or not virology is a false avenue, much like bloodletting, trepanning, needle eye surgery, or medical astrology. People cannot even imagine a future where our forebears a few hundred years from now will be looking back at the 21st century the same we we look at medicine practiced in the 16th century. People don't even want to think about the fact that we have any number of medical practices today that are wholly and utterly based on Science as dogma rather than science as tool.

Huge, huge differences.
Trepanations can have actual medical uses.
The things you mentioned were performed based on assumptions and without actual scientific basis.
You guys need to understand that a lot (not all) of medicine today is based on decades+ gathering of data, and most (not all) of the findings are replicable and reliable. Even viruses are observable through microscopy.
There are quite a few issues with modern medicine, and most vaxxies and libtards are having a near-religious faith on it, that is accurate. But it's also a VERY new science and constantly advancing.
Science, as practiced by flawed humans, is sometimes flawed and can be iterated and improved on.
But that does not discredit it at all. What is discrediting is the lying, and the greed pursuit, the money corruption and making it in a big business.
Keep in mind we have zero alternatives to science. Rejecting modern medicine would be disastrous. Rejecting technology would mean your country gets enslaved by another one that's more advanced.
There is no way but forward, regardless of the bumps in the road.

 

[BulkForceFive]

What worries me today is this idea that we can't even question whether or not virology is a false avenue, much like bloodletting, trepanning, needle eye surgery, or medical astrology.

You can question whatever you want* but when it sounds like a Philomena Cunk bit people are naturally going to give you the stink eye.


*except you know, the thing... that thing that happened

 

[Cheeseknife]

The things you mentioned were performed based on assumptions and without actual scientific basis.

The were based on actual scientific basis. We look back at now and say it wasn't but that's because what we know has changed over time and our epistemologies are constantly.

Even viruses are observable through microscopy.

There's a lot of junk that is observable through microscopy. What @Aether Witch and others were trying to point out is our propensity to assign functions to this junk as causing certain things to happen.

Now, let me ask you, have you--or anyone--directly observed SARS-CoV-2 interacting with the human body in such a way as to cause the illnesses it is alleged to cause? Because I can guarantee that the vast majority of people just take it on faith that the virus exists and does what it does. Same goes with the vaccine--most who took it, did so based on faith in Science.

This is how religion works.

But that does not discredit it at all. What is discrediting is the lying, and the greed pursuit, the money corruption and making it in a big business.

I'm not discrediting it. Rather I'm saying we should be mindful that there's a lot of things that we know that could be false.

Keep in mind we have zero alternatives to science.

I don't like the wording of this. Science is a tool. This would be like saying we have zero alternatives to the ability to think and reason things out with our brains. It's just something we do as a matter of course. As a tool, "science" was just a guide for thinking things through in a logical and coherent manner in order to arrive at an objective outcome.

Science, as a modern religion, is not tool. It's dogma.

Rejecting modern medicine would be disastrous. Rejecting technology would mean your country gets enslaved by another one that's more advanced.

Just like what I was saying above, "modern medicine" isn't some singular entity. There are many practices that work and don't work and many physicians that have differing opinions. This is why people switch doctors or get second opinions or try new methods of procuring health and wellness.