Are Viruses Real?

[AgendaPoster]

Just like what I was saying above, "modern medicine" isn't some singular entity. There are many practices that work and don't work and many physicians that have differing opinions. This is why people switch doctors or get second opinions or try new methods of procuring health and wellness.

Medicine cannot operate on how you want it to. Allow me to explain.
So I have, like daily, about 5-10 dudes that come with various accidents. Now I cannot PL to much, but let's just say that I HAVE to operate based on what you call "faith", i.e. assumptions that a specific bone with a specific name is broken, and that specific nerves and veins might have been severed. Everything builds on previous knowledge, without a constant demand for proof. I cannot ask why the EKG machine is outputting specific wave format. I have to base my understanding on what I have learned about it. I cannot reinterpret the normal values for hemoglobin and leucocytes. I have to rely on previous data and medical consensus.
There will be mistakes, sure. But it's not "the science" that's at fault. Science is descriptive of an objective reality. The mistakes are because we're flawed and pretty stupid, but more importantly, because we're VERY new at this.
There are no skeptics in the hospital, BTW. Everyone that comes with serious issues is a full believer. They know they're in trouble, and even as flawed a system this is, there's no alternative, yeah. Especially for emergencies. When your arm is in a 90 degrees angle and the pain makes you faint, there's ZERO skepticism involved, just an animalic desire to go under the knife as soon as possible and see it back in a functional mode.
There is indeed corruption and big money issues. I think it would be best if we focused on those, so bad incentives can be removed, and we can punish harshly those that misuse science to further an agenda or for financial accumulation. If we had that in place, the Pfizer and Modern staff would be in jail. Not because some conspiracy, but because some vaxxie lots were contaminated, and most of the adverse effects come from specific batches, further proof of contamination. In an uncorrupt system, we would have trials and life imprisonment, confiscation of wealth etc.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Medicine cannot operate on how you want it to.

Medicine doesn't operate. We operate medicine. That's the point I'm trying to make. Language is key here. I'm not even saying that people shouldn't operate based on faith-based assumptions. What I am saying is that we should always be mindful not to trust our assumptions indefinitely and without hindsight into our propensity to be wrong.

I have to rely on previous data and medical consensus.

Yes, exactly! But this is how all practices work. What I'm trying to point out is, what is widely assumed is that data and consensus are immutable gospel. Because of this, they can be weaponized against those whose trust is put into them. That was what the last 4 years was all about.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The very roots of virology as a field are based in shoddy pseudosientific horsecrap. And no, sequencing a bunch of genomes in an in silico model isn't isolation. This is one of those tricks the virologists love using, showing a made up sequence from whatever genetic material they can get their hands on and claiming isolation. It should be extremely easy to isolate a virus if they actually existed. Supposedly there are so many of these minuscule particles inside the human organism that they're capable of causing illness through mechanical means. If there are so many, and you can swab a PCR test on gasoline and get a "positive" for SARS-CoV-2, why is it impossible for anyone to isolate it from a human being? It makes absolutely no fucking sense, and you don't need to be a genius to realize that.

I see "muh nevah been isolated" is your equivalent to how creationists claim they've never found a transitional fossil, given you have to redefine words to support your claim. Yes, culturing a virus = isolating a virus, since via *magic* this culture produces the exact same disease in a patient (or otherwise causes an asymptomatic infection which they can then spread to others) and can be seen with a microscope the exact same set of particles growing in it. Yet the culture on its own doesn't cause this. Hmm, almost like whatever is growing in said viral culture has demonstratable effects.

This is why nobody serious actually engages with you or anyone else who believes it, since your entire theory is closer to rhetoric than science. You just redefine some words here and there, ignore some observable facts here and there, and quote a few scientists out of context, and then you're golden, you've disproved science, you're winner!

Yeah, all those have been debunked for a while. No AIDS (even Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR was skeptical), no syphilis (until proof is produced of any virus particles isolated from a human) and no monkeypox.

So did you start denying viruses exist when a doctor showed you all the diseases you picked up from your gay sex habit? Your theory is so retarded that you seem to be a terminal stage syphilis patient. I know it's hard to accept your brain is rotting from syphilis as your body rots from AIDS, but just accept the truth and take your PReP like your fellow faggots. Contrarianism won't save you.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

This is why nobody serious actually engages with you

Also because his mommy has herpes and he probably has it too from being kissed by her.

For example, my mother gets mouth herpes whenever she's really stressed and emotionally tired, without fail.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Hmm, almost like whatever is growing in said viral culture has demonstratable effects.

Confirmation bias.

This is why nobody serious actually engages with you or anyone else who believes it

But he sourced himself. Clearly other people believe what he believes, otherwise he couldn't have sourced it. I'm not sure what you're going on about--seems to me Aether Witch came to these conclusions based on reading what other people had to say.

Do you want to actually talk about that or just make unsourced remarks?

So did you start denying viruses exist when a doctor showed you all the diseases you picked up from your gay sex habit?

No, he referenced a Dr. Mark Bailey who wrote an essay "A Farewell to Virology."

By the way, loving how you're simultaneously trying to debunk him while also engaging in outright ad homina. It really gives substance to your position.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The burden of proof is still on those who claim that viruses exist. I can claim that rain comes from invisible winged elephants peeing from the sky, but until I'm able to prove it, it's nothing more than a fantasy. Even if other people were hypothetically unable to prove where rain comes from.

LMAO how'd I miss this since this is so unbelieably stupid since the same logic you have for denying viruses can be used to prove that rain comes from invisible winged elephants peeing from the sky. Think of it, no one's ever seen a condensation nuclei (and if you claim you have, you're being deceived by meteorologists since it's just random dirt). No one's ever seen these condensation nuclei collide with each other. No can actually measure the saturation of water in the air. If you get wet from what's falling from the sky, that's just invisible winged elephants peeing on you. Therefore meteorology is totally fake and everyone from the NOAA to the weatherman on TV is in on a vast conspiracy to hide it!

Also because his mommy has herpes and he probably has it too from being kissed by her.

The funny part is that if he understood virology/basic biology, he'd understand that being stressed weakens your immune system hence a recurring virus like herpes is more likely to cause symptoms. Although I imagine being kissed by a weirdo like him is likely to cause an insane amount of stress. Bleh.

Confirmation bias.

This is something you can literally test yourself. Lock yourself in a room with someone with the flu and let them cough all over you, drink after them, etc. Have someone else in the same house stay in the basement you normally reside in and never leave. See who gets sick. Yes, there are people with asymptomatic infections or who already have antibodies against said infection, but the same applies to bacterial disease like typhoid or cholera.

But he sourced himself. Clearly other people believe what he believes, otherwise he couldn't have sourced it. I'm not sure what you're going on about--seems to me Aether Witch came to these conclusions based on reading what other people had to say.

Do you want to actually talk about that or just make unsourced remarks?

This is akin to saying you met a dude who says he was Jesus at Burning Man, therefore Jesus has returned and is walking the Earth as we speak.

No, he referenced a Dr. Mark Bailey who wrote an essay "A Farewell to Virology."

By the way, loving how you're simultaneously trying to debunk him while also engaging in outright ad homina. It really gives substance to your position.

I'm just curious why anyone believes something that is patently nonsense, and "this man is in denial he has AIDS" like many who claim to know the truth about AIDS before him. Maybe it's just because he (and you) are trying to cope with your brainlet status by learning "hidden truths" so you can think all the scientists in the world and everyone who agrees with them are stupid. That's fine, but at that point you've got just as much of a religious dogma as the people who insist the pandemic began naturally at a wet market since that would make the Wuhan lab and those who organized dangerous, pointless research there like Daszak and Baric look bad.

And curiously a dogma that benefits people like Daszak and Baric, since if viruses aren't real they can hardly be held accountable for having killed millions and sickened billions around the globe. I'm sure they and their own backers like the NIH and the CIA would love that, hence why it sure is curious that you people crop up here every now and then in groups to post your disinformation campaign.

 

[Cheeseknife]

This is something you can literally test yourself. Lock yourself in a room with someone with the flu and let them cough all over you, drink after them, etc. Have someone else in the same house stay in the basement you normally reside in and never leave. See who gets sick. Yes, there are people with asymptomatic infections or who already have antibodies against said infection, but the same applies to bacterial disease like typhoid or cholera.

This isn't an argument for or against virology, though. Just because someone gets sick doesn't prove that a small particle called a virus is or isn't he cause. That's why I said it's confirmation bias to think that just because someone got sick means they got sick the way you thought they ought.

This is akin to saying you met a dude who says he was Jesus at Burning Man, therefore Jesus has returned and is walking the Earth as we speak.

No, this is someone who just read different opinions and came to the conclusion that there are schools of thought that practice medicine without regard to the alleged existence of viruses. That's literally all it is. Not everything we know is true to day is actually true. That's how it knowledge has been all throughout history.

I'm just curious why anyone believes something that is patently nonsense

Because they don't believe it's patently nonsense, obviously. I don't see what's so hard to figure out about this. Not everyone in the world reads from the same sheet of music and not everyone need agree with some mainstream "truth" about whatever. That is dogma.

Consider the fact that everything we have been lead to believe is the very reason why our institutions were so thoroughly able to subjugate us over the past four years with this shit. Consider how that has shocked the public trust in our current systems. Yet in response to all this, state institutions just continue to baby their people with phrases like, "trust the science" and all but enact medical martial law.

I'd also like to point out that the very first sentence of what you have linked me doesn't even do diligence of being straightforward. It specifically says, "characteristic of AIDS." Meaning, the author doesn't even want to say that it was definitely, 100% the thing.

if viruses aren't real they can hardly be held accountable for having killed millions and sickened billions around the globe. I'm sure they and their own backers like the NIH and the CIA would love that, hence why it sure is curious that you people crop up here every now and then in groups to post your disinformation campaign.

This is wishful thinking. Viruses exist or they don't. Making people accountable for injecting the masses with a strange cocktail doesn't inherently include or preclude the existence of viruses.

Also, "you people" ? Really? Go kill yourself.

 

[JustSomeDong]

So, virology has its own version of flat-earthers....
Who knew?

 

[CYKA RUSH B]

LMAO how'd I miss this since this is so unbelieably stupid since the same logic you have for denying viruses can be used to prove that rain comes from invisible winged elephants peeing from the sky.

What a powerful argument

The funny part is that if he understood virology/basic biology, he .... kissed by a weirdo like him is likely to cause an insane amount of stress

Whoa, another powerful 1-2 punch of Facts® and Logic™

This is something you can literally test yourself. Lock yourself in a room with someone with the flu and let them cough all over you, drink after them, etc. Have someone else in the same house stay in the basement you normally reside in and never leave. See who gets sick. Yes, there are people with asymptomatic infections or who already have antibodies against said infection, but the same applies to bacterial disease like typhoid or cholera.

You fucked yourself in less than two lines.
>Let them cough all over you, see if you don't get sick
>Yes some poeple won't get sick
>Must be that MY belief is correct and his CLEARLY cannot be.

believes something that is patently nonsense,

"Disdainful phrasing means I don't have to engage with any of his claims!"


You argue like some retarded faggot on reddit. All bluster and smug dismissal with no substance. Appeal to perceived authority and concensus and total failure to refute the sources he cites or prove your case. If you have nothing, why are you continuing to rail against him? Are you personally injured he doesn't believe in your dogmas or are you desperate for updoots and a feeling of being On The Right Side Of Xirstory® ?

Diagnosis: Femoid, IQ <110.
Arguments: Invalid
Recommendations: Tits or GTFO

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

You argue like some retarded faggot on reddit.

Dude, @Save the Loli has always been like that even when you agree with him(which in this case I do believe virues are infact real) he comes across as an insufferable skizophrenic, just a complete and utter failure at being appealing/convincing. At times he'll completely ignore what you say and repeat the same shit he already said over and over again as if it's a new argument. I would almost feel bad for him because he genuinely seems mentally ill, but then I remember he's an unlikable asshole who posts random news clippings he never bothers to read and the whole pedophile thing.

 

[Cheeseknife]

You fucked yourself in less than two lines.
>Let them cough all over you, see if you don't get sick
>Yes some poeple won't get sick
>Must be that MY belief is correct and his CLEARLY cannot be.

The link he provided isn't even conclusive. Really, the language is this same old, "the symptoms are consistent with" and they never call it a spade.

Because the practice is fucked. No two doctors agree on anything fundamental anymore because they know too many variables escape their purview.

And, yet, whenever you bring this to term online, all the non-experts who saw CGI videos of what viruses supposedly do will tell you life's greatest mysteries were solved in the last century, science did it, and only fools will question it.

It's pure dogma.

 

[Bananadana]

Y'all should just make a mass debates thread titled "ARE VIRUS REAL OR IS FAKE?" and stop having several page long slapfights in here.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

ARE VIRUS REAL OR IS FAKE?

Most important argument of our time the 19th century.

 

[Aether Witch]

Lets say we accept your definition of "virus" as correct. (virus = (your virus)), and we accept that with your definition and the evidence you have, viruses to a high likelihood don't exist. Let's define a new term, "freebolpuff" as the type of object that causes herpes symptoms as well as the immune reaction commonly known to be associated with herpes symptoms. Do you think it's possible to create a drug that modifies the immune reaction against a type of "freebolpuff" in a way that the modification of the immune reaction is mostly preserved after the drug is gone, reducing the symptoms caused by that type of "freebolpuff"?

I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but I'll respond anyway. What you've just done is rename virus, nothing else. In reality what people call "herpes virus" or "freebolpuff" can be a myriad of different things. Stress, emotional exhaustion, anxiety, lack of proper nutrition, malnutrition, etc. Because the herpes itself appears out of an array of different possible causes, or even a combination of them, there is no way on Earth to create any drugs that would modify the immune reaction against something that doesn't exist.
The idea of an immune system that targets specific threats like that is based on the assumption that virology's claims are sound. The idea itself of an immune system that "gets used to" specific "pathogens" is baseless.

 

[Blasterisk]

I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but I'll respond anyway. What you've just done is rename virus, nothing else. In reality what people call "herpes virus" or "freebolpuff" can be a myriad of different things. Stress, emotional exhaustion, anxiety, lack of proper nutrition, malnutrition, etc. Because the herpes itself appears out of an array of different possible causes, or even a combination of them, there is no way on Earth to create any drugs that would modify the immune reaction against something that doesn't exist.
The idea of an immune system that targets specific threats like that is based on the assumption that virology's claims are sound. The idea itself of an immune system that "gets used to" specific "pathogens" is baseless.

My rebuttal to your assertion that I fucked your mother so hard I got herpes is this: I have fantastic stamina, and she is a skank.

 

[Aether Witch]

Even viruses are observable through microscopy.

Please, provide an example of any virus been "observable", and provide evidence that what's been imaged is a virus.

The things you mentioned were performed based on assumptions and without actual scientific basis.

Just as all of virology is performed based on assumptions and without actual scientific basis. You don't have to dig terribly deep to realize this.

You guys need to understand that a lot (not all) of medicine today is based on decades+ gathering of data, and most (not all) of the findings are replicable and reliable.

What kind of data? How was that data gathered? Are controls being performed to ensure that the collection of data is sound? I can "collect data", or I can pull "the data" out of my ass through various means. And since it's pretty obvious that most people aren't even willing to even consider questioning what they've been told (which has been made abundantly clear by many of you on this thread), most constructs identifying as data get a pass, especially if there are huge economic gains to be made (then it's a lot easier to turn a blind eye to unscientific, baseless methodologies).
One has only to look at the vaccines that have been manufactured in the last 4 years to realize this, but somehow it's this ludicrous concept that the very field that birthed these vaccines is also full of shit? Okay, then.

Rejecting modern medicine would be disastrous.

If by "modern medicine" you mean Western alopathic medicine, I couldn't disagree more. The only good thing this model has produced is emergency care. 90% of Western alopathic medicine is based on offering band-aid solutions that only serve to fill the pockets of big pharma and doctors. You all get juicy bonuses for many of the treatments you prescribe, so the incentive to look into the validity of what you do is severely compromised.

It is very telling that when doctors go on strike mortality rates go down.

https://drsambailey.substack.com/p/medicine-the-killing-fields

 

[Aether Witch]

You just redefine some words here and there, ignore some observable facts here and there, and quote a few scientists out of context, and then you're golden, you've disproved science, you're winner!

Like virologists do all the time? Redefining isolation and purification, ignoring observable facts here and there, inserting their assumptions here and there, without need of proof (why even mention controls at this point), without sound methodologies or without any real want to engage in the scientific method. Whenever you post it's from a place of wild assumption that proves you haven't taken any time to investigate what I'm saying in any serious capacity. Like you said yourself, you're not willing to engage seriously, so I'm not gonna waste my time with you any further. I'd rather talk to the nearest wall, I'll probably get a more productive and interesting conversation.

 

[Doctor Love]

Imma just dip in with a weird sidenote

This is a COVID adaption of the HIV conspiracy.

In short, faggots who believe the government refuses to treat them because of homophobia - hence, AIDS isn't real.

They use the exact same argument - so, Aethyr, have you ever smoked meth and fucked a man in the ass? Or, have you ever been fucked in the ass by another man?

I want an honest answer.

 

[Aether Witch]

So, virology has its own version of flat-earthers....
Who knew?

Your profile picture checks out.

 

[Aether Witch]

The link he provided isn't even conclusive. Really, the language is this same old, "the symptoms are consistent with" and they never call it a spade.

The main thing is that for all "viruses" I've looked into, there weren't any specific symptoms. It's the snake biting its own tail, you can't categorically say that whatever illness you have is X "virus", because it could be literally any other "virus". So what happens is you need to test for it, and as it has come to light, the tests being performed are fraudulent at best. Even The New York Times had to report on the fake epidemic of whooping cough that originated purely because of testing. You can do that with any "virus".

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html