Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

some places did have draconian lockdowns, others asked people to wear masks indoors. unless you think wearing masks is draconian.
doesn't have to be draconian for it to be total bullshit. Masks don't work, the whole world knew this before 2020 but we pretended the consensus magically changed because the cathedral said so, and as for other rules like "social distancing" they were literally made up on the fucking spot and there was no data to support them. Just like there's no data to support that the lockdowns saved ANY lives.
 
People are going to believe whatever propaganda they want about COVID and vaccines.

The bottom line question is not that complicated. Should a corrupt piece of shit government that hates you be able to force inject you with an untested biologic substance, against your will?

Now of course leftards will say yes because if you could get them to be honest, and asked them "should the government just line up all conservatives on a wall and execute them," they'd say yes to that too.

But if you are going to debate this is really the thing to focus on. Not trying to heckin' proove with stoodies whether it was ackchyually 6 gorillion that died from the coof or not. Instead you should be asking why a government that you don't trust and which hates you should be able to force inject you with untested biologics against your will. That's a different argument and an issue of principle rather than evidence, so you can avoid going in circles of people just denying whatever evidence/statistics/etc. that they don't like. Just make them admit that they are in favor of giving the government the power to hurt you so long as you disagree with them. That's the root level issue and their honest answer to it.
 
This article, which you very obviously didn't read, is deceptively worded and intentionally so

>Hospitals do not receive extra funds when patients die from COVID-19

I never said this, what I did say however is that hospitals receive kickbacks from medicaid for every "covid death" they report, thus incentivizing them to falsely inflate those figures and count car crash deaths as "covid death"
 
Hospitals getting more money on covid deaths is unsubstantiated but getting money for covid diagnoses is a real thing
consider the following: treatment for covid is expensive and the only people covered by this program are the uninsured and people covered under medicare. hospitals need to get paid in order to stay open. inb4 "they're lying about the diagnoses!" i mean there needs to be documentation and shit, they can't just declare someone to have covid.
 
consider the following: treatment for covid is expensive and the only people covered by this program are the uninsured and people covered under medicare. hospitals need to get paid in order to stay open. inb4 "they're lying about the diagnoses!" i mean there needs to be documentation and shit, they can't just declare someone to have covid.
>Okay so maybe they do pay hospitals 2.6x more for diagnosing covid and 7.6x more for putting them on ventilator, but they had a good reason! Not like anyone could abuse the system, I don't think anybody has ever abused any system
 
Hospitals getting more money on covid deaths is unsubstantiated but getting money for covid diagnoses is a real thing
>using "fact checker" articles

ngmi

"if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death." their words not mine

consider the following: treatment for covid is expensive
ivermectin is a generic drug, not price hiked by patent monopolies, reduces mortality rate up to 92%. Not too much money to be made on it though, gee wonder why there was such a smear campaign against it for a while.
>inb4 "HORSE PASTEEEE!!!1!1!! HOOOOORSEEE PASTTEEE!!!!111!!111!"

 
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>Okay so maybe they do pay hospitals 2.6x more for diagnosing covid and 7.6x more for putting them on ventilator, but they had a good reason! Not like anyone could abuse the system, I don't think anybody has ever abused any system
any system can and will be abused by someone, sure. but with shit like this, it's not as simple as just declaring things without proper documentation. trying to defraud the government and getting caught has pretty shitty consequences, like the loss of one's license or one's ability to even be paid by medicare. like i get that people have trust issues. i really do. it's just that sometimes it's delusional to think everyone is trying to fuck you over.

only looking at the newsweek one, and it literally says:
The department issued a statement explaining how COVID-19 deaths are determined, which noted: "COVID-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death, or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to death. Or, if there is a confirmed COVID-19 infection from a lab test — and, the cause of death doesn't meet exclusion criteria, like trauma, suicide, homicide, overdose, motorcycle accident, etc."
can you read?

edit: lol @ you eating horsepaste kek
 
only looking at the newsweek one, and it literally says:

can you read?
>The department said they don't do it even THOUGH they just did, don't believe your lying eyes!
edit: lol @ you eating horsepaste kek
>horsepaste even though it comes in pill form perscribed for human beings

Do you just enjoy sucking off pharmaceutical companies? GENERIC DRUGS ARE LE EVIL NEVER TAKE THEM PAY 30,000 SO WE CAN KILL YOU WITH A VENTILATOR INSTEAD GOY!
 
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Exactly HHH! You dont know more than experienced doctors like Robert Malone, John Campbell, Rand Paul, or any of the other thousands of doctors that signed onto things like the Great Barrington Declaration...

ooooohhh wait but those doctors don't count in your mind because they're not brainless parrots for the cathedral.
Lol Robert Malone was all for the vaccine until he found out he wouldn't get a cut. Then he went anti-vax and started an anti-vax pay site. Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist, who is vaccinated but lies about it because Republican boomers like yourself are gullible and believe whatever Republicans tell them. You theocratic bible thumpers love your grifters. And yes, I listen to the 98% of doctors who say to get it and got their families vaccinated, while you claim listening to charlatans makes you know more than they do.
More projection. If you were capable of reading then you would either recognize that the page doesn't say what you say it does, or you'd provide an example of it.
Again, I know you've admitted to being a proud, uneducated simpleton who is anti-education, so I will explain this very slowly so even a low IQ retard like you can understand it. Fox News personalities admitted, in text messages, they knew what they were reporting was bullshit. They reported it anyway. That's admitting to lying to you. Now, again, I know you have trouble reading since you have admitted to having a low IQ, but try harder. And again, Fox News admitted that no reasonable person would believe anything Tucker says, yet you still believe everything he says. That's a new low even for anti-vax simpletons like yourself

Also, whose sock are you? I know anti-vax rejects from /pol/ are retards, but signing up for this forum just to spaz out in the vaccine thread because some people listen to medical professionals over Tucker Carlson when it comes to vaccine information, and then throwing a tantrum and sticking your head in the sand when it's pointed out that he's admitted he lies to his audience, is low even for them.
 
People are going to believe whatever propaganda they want about COVID and vaccines.

The bottom line question is not that complicated. Should a corrupt piece of shit government that hates you be able to force inject you with an untested biologic substance, against your will?

Now of course leftards will say yes because if you could get them to be honest, and asked them "should the government just line up all conservatives on a wall and execute them," they'd say yes to that too.

But if you are going to debate this is really the thing to focus on. Not trying to heckin' proove with stoodies whether it was ackchyually 6 gorillion that died from the coof or not. Instead you should be asking why a government that you don't trust and which hates you should be able to force inject you with untested biologics against your will. That's a different argument and an issue of principle rather than evidence, so you can avoid going in circles of people just denying whatever evidence/statistics/etc. that they don't like. Just make them admit that they are in favor of giving the government the power to hurt you so long as you disagree with them. That's the root level issue and their honest answer to it.
Something tells me you're fine with the government forcing women to give birth, but when it comes to getting a vaccine, then you suddenly care about bodily autonomy.

Republican boomers gonna boomer
 
Republican boomers gonna boomer
For someone who talks like a jaded Gen X manchild who never grew out of their punk phase in the 80s you sure do love calling people "boomer", is it because it makes you feel less old now that you're hitting that middle age?
 
For someone who talks like a jaded Gen X manchild who never grew out of their punk phase in the 80s you sure do love calling people "boomer", is it because it makes you feel less old now that you're hitting that middle age?
Lol no, I just enjoy laughing at retards who act like someone who is 3-4 times their age and then they complain that women want nothing to do with them. The future is now, old man
 
Lol no, I just enjoy laughing at retards who act like someone who is 3-4 times their age and then they complain that women want nothing to do with them. The future is now, old man
Grandpa, your entire frame of reference is frozen in the 1990s where you're scared tipper gore and the evangelical right is gonna take away rap music and your account was registered in 2013. You're AT LEAST in your 40s at this point, if not older. If the future is now you better start praying because I will outlive you, and then you can't argue with me anymore and I will have won, MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 
Grandpa, your entire frame of reference is frozen in the 1990s where you're scared tipper gore and the evangelical right is gonna take away rap music and your account was registered in 2013. You're AT LEAST in your 40s at this point, if not older.
Lol no, Tipper Gore can go fuck herself, too, but right now the concern is evangelical bible thumpers like yourself trying to turn the US into a theocracy. Your religion is retarded, and so are you

My age is irrelevant because you're the one who acts like an 85 year old bible thumper
 
Something tells me you're fine with the government forcing women to give birth, but when it comes to getting a vaccine, then you suddenly care about bodily autonomy.

Republican boomers gonna boomer

I like that the response to "the real issue here is you're okay with giving the government the power to hurt people so long as it's used against people you don't like" is not to deny that, but rather to project (i.e. "no actually that's you!!!1"). So you do implicitly agree that you are fine with giving the government power to hurt people you don't like. Thanks for wrapping that point up nicely.

Also, shut up you THEOCRATIC FASCIST BOOMER!!!1 I don't believe in your heckin' BIBLE THUMPING religion okay bro? You're never gonna your THEOCRATIC FASCIST fantasy while I'm around, kid!
 
My age is irrelevant because you're the one who acts like an 85 year old bible thumper
yeah you're old. You will be outlived by the theocratic boomer incels in generation zyklon, how does it make you feel grandpa?

on a side note I'm very sad that images are broken right now so I can't play HHH buzzword bingo
 
I like that the response to "the real issue here is you're okay with giving the government the power to hurt people so long as it's used against people you don't like" is not to deny that, but rather to project (i.e. "no actually that's you!!!1"). So you do implicitly agree that you are fine with giving the government power to hurt people you don't like. Thanks for wrapping that point up nicely.

Also, shut up you THEOCRATIC FASCIST BOOMER!!!1 I don't believe in your heckin' BIBLE THUMPING religion okay bro? You're never gonna your THEOCRATIC FASCIST fantasy while I'm around, kid!
This is gonna be hard for your pea-brain to understand, but I don't think the government should be able to force vaccines, either.

You, however, think it's great when the government takes away women's bodily autonomy and forces them to give birth, but when it comes to getting a little jab, you throw a tantrum like a toddler.

yeah you're old. You will be outlived by the theocratic boomer incels in generation zyklon, how does it make you feel grandpa?

on a side note I'm very sad that images are broken right now so I can't play HHH buzzword bingo
Lol I am not that old, I just don't like when bible thumpers like you try to push your religion on the rest of us.

I can't imagine being terminally online and mad like you seem to be. You should go outside and touch grass. I know you'll be spending the weekend at church like a good bible thumper, though
 
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