Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm only skeptical of it because they're forcing it now, and not only that, but vaccines typically tend to eliminate transmission capability pretty damn fast, and it doesn't do that whatsoever with Covid.

So a decrease in transmission of around 70-90% is "none whatsoever"? I think you should sue your high school because they told you some real bad information

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

If the vaccine is harmless than why don't our masters take it?

Plenty of people in politics, including ministers and the very upper political and social strata of various countries, have made it a very public display to get jabbed.
But allow me to hazard a guess: "They didn't really get vaccinated, it was just saline solution" or something to that effect?

One fifth on the guests at Obama's birthday gone Covid. Why weren't they vaccinated?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the anti-Covid-vaxxer stance that the vaccine does not slow down spread of the virus?
So this should not surprise you if that statement was true. Also I'd like some sauce with that before I comment further.

From the act of teaching your body to destroy something made by your own body - which again I cannot stress how promising this is for cancer & prion cures in the future - but to act like priming your T-cells to murk cells affected by proteins created by your own body and B-cells to start shooting out antibodies at stuff also produced from your own cells has no potential risk for long-term complications is ignorant at best and outright dishonest at worst.

None of this is even remotely describing what is going on inside your body when you get an mRNA vaccine - it even completely ignores how viruses work in the first place on a fundamental level.
Just for starters: Every virus that ever made you sick got to a critical number inside your body by being manifactured by your own body.
Every. Fucking. Virus. You. Ever. Fucking. Had.

And your body got rid of them just fine without doing anything like you described.

A (relatively small) number of viruses enters your body, they spread out in your cells and start hijacking the parts of your cell that make proteins. These functionalities are repurposed to produce viruses by the virus inserting a specific RNA into your cell. The cell then merrily prints viruses until at some point, it breaks open, the new viruses made by your own body start to spread out even more and do the cycle over and over until your body has learned to fuck those assholes up for good (or you die).

A vaccine usually uses inert viruses (calling them dead is a misnomer, since they technically aren't really alive), these viruses have been turned inert in a long process that disrupts their ability to hijack your cell, but they are still intact enough that your body can analyse them, identify them as hostile objects and produce antibodies that will later also identify the actual, active virus. Whether that hostile object is coming from the outside or if it was made inside your own body is entirely irrelevant for your immune reaction, it scans a certain protein and reacts a certain way.

Whenever you get the flu, your body is destroying viruses made by your own body. How can you not know this and try to lecture people on long term risks with this utterly ridiculous pseudo intellectual doomposting?

With this out of the way, the origin of the mRNA does not affect how your body reacts - whether it's from a virus or vaccine. The mRNA inside the vaccine uses a cell to produce so called spike-proteins that cover the Corona virus. When your immune system learns to identify and fight those spike-proteins, it means it will automatically also fight anything covered in these spikes, hence why it works against actual Corona even though your body never even got into contact with the virus itself.

The mRNA vaccine pretty much replaces the need for inert viruses, you skip the middleman so to speak, and put info to produce a certain protein directly into the body. Since mRNA is unstable, it does that for some time and then breaks down into inert components itself, that get disposed of.

Your immune system does not randomly attack cells afterwards, if "teaching them to destroy things made by your own body" wasn't bullshit, every viral disease would have given you MS already. Your body reacts to these spike proteins exactly the same way it reacts to the virus, be that inert or not. The only difference is that the mRNA is tailor made to only produce the spike protein.

tl;dr-version for the attention-span impaired:

Every time you get over a flu or other viral infection, your immune system overcame that sickness by learning "to destroy something made by your own body". To suggest that this is somehow new or different with the mRNA vaccine "is ignorant at best and outright dishonest at worst".

Nobody outside of boomers cares about Fox News.

Missing the point, this isn't about who's taking the clowns at FauxNews seriously or not.

You're only convincing yourself at this point.

I'm not trying to convince anyone and I don't care what you guys think, but when someone makes a stupid point that's silly or factually wrong, I will point that out.

 

[Dumbchan]

Already got the vaccine. Both shots. I guess im waiting on a third?

I had Pfizer. I await to see what kind of future side effects await me.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I had Pfizer. I await to see what kind of future side effects await me.

Long term side effects from regular vaccinations are virtually non-existant. It is incredibly unlikely that mRNA vaccines behave differently, given that the mRNA is insanely unstable and deteriorates quickly inside your body. Seriously, that shit is flimsy as fuck, you can neutralize all mRNA vaccine inside its vial by shaking it, that's how brittle that shit is.

Vaccines can have nasty sideffects, such as an allergic reaction, but those happen rather quickly after being jabbed. A few days or weeks after being jabbed at most. Not months later - let alone years.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

None of this is even remotely describing what is going on inside your body when you get an mRNA vaccine - it even completely ignores how viruses work in the first place on a fundamental level.
Just for starters: Every virus that ever made you sick got to a critical number inside your body by being manifactured by your own body.
Every. Fucking. Virus. You. Ever. Fucking. Had.

A virus, not a fucking protein, dumbass.
A foreign pseudo-living pathogen from a hijacked cell - not a single proteins.

There is more to a virus than just the spike protein.

And your body got rid of them just fine without doing anything like you described.

A (relatively small) number of viruses enters your body, they spread out in your cells and start hijacking the parts of your cell that make proteins. These functionalities are repurposed to produce viruses by the virus inserting a specific RNA into your cell. The cell then merrily prints viruses until at some point, it breaks open, the new viruses made by your own body start to spread out even more and do the cycle over and over until your body has learned to fuck those assholes up for good (or you die).

A vaccine usually uses inert viruses (calling them dead is a misnomer, since they technically aren't really alive), these viruses have been turned inert in a long process that disrupts their ability to hijack your cell, but they are still intact enough that your body can analyse them, identify them as hostile objects and produce antibodies that will later also identify the actual, active virus. Whether that hostile object is coming from the outside or if it was made inside your own body is entirely irrelevant for your immune reaction, it scans a certain protein and reacts a certain way.

I already know how Simple RNA viruses work.
This is irrelevant to my point.

Whenever you get the flu, your body is destroying viruses made by your own body. How can you not know this and try to lecture people on long term risks with this utterly ridiculous pseudo intellectual doomposting?

"I repeated a fact that is irrelevant to your claim, HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS?!?!"

With this out of the way, the origin of the mRNA does not affect how your body reacts - whether it's from a virus or vaccine.

It actually does work differently, which is why mRNA vaccine technology is so promising for cancer & prion diseases.

Your immune system does not randomly attack cells afterwards, if "teaching them to destroy things made by your own body" wasn't bullshit, every viral disease would have given you MS already. Your body reacts to these spike proteins exactly the same way it reacts to the virus, be that inert or not.

No it doesn't randomly attack cells afterwards* (*that we know of yet), it only attacks the ones with the surface proteins.
Nice strawman.

 

[Dumbchan]

Long term side effects from regular vaccinations are virtually non-existant. It is incredibly unlikely that mRNA vaccines behave differently, given that the mRNA is insanely unstable and deteriorates quickly inside your body. Seriously, that shit is flimsy as fuck, you can neutralize all mRNA vaccine inside its vial by shaking it, that's how brittle that shit is.

Vaccines can have nasty sideffects, such as an allergic reaction, but those happen rather quickly after being jabbed. A few days or weeks after being jabbed at most. Not months later - let alone years.

Oh I was just making a joke. Like getting a third eye or something. Wasn't serious.

 

[Protistology]

Long term side effects from regular vaccinations are virtually non-existant. It is incredibly unlikely that mRNA vaccines behave differently, given that the mRNA is insanely unstable and deteriorates quickly inside your body. Seriously, that shit is flimsy as fuck, you can neutralize all mRNA vaccine inside its vial by shaking it, that's how brittle that shit is.

Vaccines can have nasty sideffects, such as an allergic reaction, but those happen rather quickly after being jabbed. A few days or weeks after being jabbed at most. Not months later - let alone years.

thecovidblog.com/

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

A virus, not a fucking protein, dumbass.
A foreign pseudo-living pathogen from a hijacked cell - not a single proteins.

A very specific, complex protein, the very same protein that your immune system is trained to recognize when you get an infusion of inactivated viruses or when you get infected by that virus itself. A protein that otherwise does not exist inside your body.

Whether those spikes are attached to an inactivated virus or floating somewhat freely is of no consequence to your immune system. It identifies that protein in your system based on its surface and gets rid of them.

Just for shits n giggles: are you aware that inactive viruses in subunit vaccines are usually also damaged and incomplete, if not outright broken to bits? They are actually safer than vaccines derived of complete inactivated viruses, cause anything that isn't causing an immune reaction (but could cause negative side effects) is filtered out.
If that also extends to mRNA vaccines, they are also considerably safer than vaccines using inactivated viruses.

There is more to a virus than just the spike protein.

Which is why I differentiated between the two in my post, yes. As for your immune system identifying the virus, it does so by analyzing its surface, which is covered in those spike-proteins. In terms of the following response, anything else about the virus' internal composition is irrelevant, which is why that distinction is pointless in this case. Your immune system can't look inside the virus, it decides what to do based on the surface structure.

I already know how Simple RNA viruses work.
This is irrelevant to my point.

Then why does your orginal statement make you look like you didn't know anything about the most basic virus reproduction cycle?

You said this:
"From the act of teaching your body to destroy something made by your own body [...] but to act like priming your T-cells to murk cells affected by proteins created by your own body and B-cells to start shooting out antibodies at stuff also produced from your own cells has no potential risk for long-term complications [...]"

This sounds like you were entirely unaware that viruses reproduce by hijacking a cell to make it produce more viruses. Your entire point is that it's dangerous to make the body combat something made by itself, when it is doing just that whenever you get infected by a virus anyway.

I guess you want to insinuate that the spike-proteins could start attaching themselves to regular cells and make them read as viruses to your immune system? I can only assume this being a point you attempt to make, cause you don't bother spelling out whatever it is you want to say. So in case I am spot on here: What do you base that on? Subunit Vaccines have been around for decades and that isn't a concern with them. Why is it a concern now all of a sudden?

And let's not forget, this whole point is about long term effects in the first place:
Even if that was a possibility (which is a dubious assumption at best), there still remains that tiny little problem that this would be a very immediate, short term side effect, not a long term effect by any stretch of the word. If this was an actual issue, after several BILLIONS of mRNA vaccines being handed out, it would already have taken effect.

Sounds to me you're unfamiliar with how vaccines work, how viruses work and you're just doing vague ominous doomposting without actually bothering to go into detail what it even is you assume, fear or expect to happen.

It actually does work differently

How so? You seem fond of just typing out meaningless platitudes like "there is more to a virus than a spike protein" and now this?
Do you have anything to elaborate, cause this statement is entirely devoid of meaning otherwise.

It works differently. Fine then. How? Why is this important and how does it affect anything?

No it doesn't randomly attack cells afterwards* (*that we know of yet), it only attacks the ones with the surface proteins.

Yes. Why is this a problem? The only thing covered in those proteins is the Corona virus. That cute little "that we know of yet" is one more platitude devoid of actual meaning. Elaborate that point or don't even bother bringing it up.

It's like you refuse to make a point or elaborate on it, really. Doomposting without actual content.

Frankly, the more I read up on how regular, decades-in-use vaccines work and all the crazy shit to make them do their job like using yeast or bacteria vectors, the more I get the feeling that mRNA vaccines are not that special. It's fascinating that humans managed to assemble those mRNA strains (or rather make something that assembles them), but given that there's just some really outlandish shit out there that people have been jabbed with for longer than anyone on the farms has been alive helps making these new types a whole lot less mystifying.

thecovidblog.com/

Should I be aware of what that is?

 

[Ambidextype]

A snippet of physician assistant reporting on the side effects of vaccine.

 

[AnOminous]

Vaccines can have nasty sideffects, such as an allergic reaction, but those happen rather quickly after being jabbed. A few days or weeks after being jabbed at most. Not months later - let alone years.

These loons believe this is some kind of magic vaccine that breaks the laws of physics to cause voodoo effects in the future, any day now, really!

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

These loons believe this is some kind of magic vaccine that breaks the laws of physics to cause voodoo effects in the future, any day now, really!

A lot of these are the same retards who Trust The Plan about Trump coming back, so I don't expect them to be based in reality

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

@RomanesEuntDomus

A very specific, complex protein, the very same protein that your immune system is trained to recognize

Along with the envelope proteins, the ion channel proteins and the fusion proteins.

Then why does your orginal statement make you look like you didn't know anything about the most basic virus reproduction cycle?

This sounds like you were entirely unaware that viruses reproduce by hijacking a cell to make it produce more viruses.

"I don't understand what you said, therefore you don't know how viruses work"

I was literally explaining what you, for whatever reason, felt to lecture me on like a month ago

That cute little "that we know of yet" is one more platitude devoid of actual meaning. Elaborate that point or don't even bother bringing it up.

Elaborate what?
That we don't know what else gets affected? How is there more to elaborate there?

It's like you refuse to make a point or elaborate on it, really.

Because I'm not going to get baited into making a specific prediction for some shit that we can't know until down the road.

Doomposting without actual content

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Still not jabbed, still living my life normally, still haven't gotten remotely close to sick.

Still know a handful of vaccinated people who have caught COVID (with symptoms), and still don't know any unvaccinated people who have caught COVID.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Still not jabbed, still living my life normally, still haven't gotten remotely close to sick.

Still know a handful of vaccinated people who have caught COVID (with symptoms), and still don't know any unvaccinated people who have caught COVID.

Get an antibody test when you get the chance.

It really cemented my view on COVID when I realized the supposed apocalyptic mega-doom plague passed over me and didn't even make me cough.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Get an antibody test when you get the chance.

It really cemented my view on COVID when I realized the supposed apocalyptic mega-doom plague passed over me and didn't even make me cough.

I plan to.

I'm almost 100% convinced that my husband had the coof last year. He definitely had symptoms (dry cough, fever, and loss of smell and taste), but nothing scary. I did absolutely nothing to "socially distance" from him either, and I never got sick. And he hasn't been sick since.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

"I don't understand what you said, therefore you don't know how viruses work"

I was literally explaining what you, for whatever reason, felt to lecture me on like a month ago

Oh, I see, you were just incapable of making your own point, alright.

So you agree that this spreads no different than a virus and thus should thus have no other effects. The flu doesn't give you MS, so why should the vaccine do so? Keep in mind that the vaccine does only produce part of the surface structure of the virus (so it's very similar to a subunit vaccine), that the mode of operation of the mRNA vaccine itself is something that already happens in your body thousandfold and that the only difference is the origin of the mRNA itself.

Elaborate what?
That we don't know what else gets affected? How is there more to elaborate there?

and

Because I'm not going to get baited into making a specific prediction for some shit that we can't know until down the road.

"This could become a problem."
-"How?"
"dunno lol somehow I guess."

Well okay then. You assume the worst possible shit to go down without any indication of what, why or how exactly it's supposed to go down, if that is even something that's physically possible or not, and this is somehow not doomposting?
All you do is saying "this will end badly. Somehow".

The one thing you did specify was that this teaches your body to destroy things made by your own body, even though you should be aware that this is something what your body already does on a daily basis. So where exactly is this a problem?
If your point is that somehow the mRNA influences (with lasting effect) how your body treats its own, unaffected cells, that's something you should write out. And if indeed that is your point, you should have something to back up that assumption, cause otherwise I could just as easily claim that the long-lasting effect of the vaccine is, to the contrary, giving you magical powers of clairvoyance and the ability to fart with the brown note. Somehow.
Would be equally as valid as your doomposting tbh.

Be that as it may, the vaccine has been given to billions of people by this point, short term risks are obviously rather low, given the small number of incidents with the vaccine.
Long term side effects (or rather side effects that emerge after a long time) are pretty much unheard of with vaccines in general. The only thing anti-vaxxer-doomers can cling to now is that mRNA somehow behaves differently, despite there being not a whole lot to base that assumption on.

Unless you go full tinfoil-hatted conspiritard and assume that there is some nefarious bullshit within the mRNA vaccine that is given out to people under a silly pretense of a "plandemic", why should the entire fucking globe decide to use this type of vaccine if it is this unsafe?

 

[mr.moon1488]

New Covid Delta variant with mutation that could dodge vaccines found in UK

There are just 19 cases so far of Delta + E484K, the mutation associated with immune escape - suggesting the virus is coming under pressure from highly vaccinated population

inews.co.uk

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

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New Covid Delta variant with mutation that could dodge vaccines found in UK

There are just 19 cases so far of Delta + E484K, the mutation associated with immune escape - suggesting the virus is coming under pressure from highly vaccinated population

inews.co.uk

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However all vaccines in the UK offer strong protection against Delta and while this mutation could potentially blunt their effect it would not make them ineffective.

The E484K mutation is present in the Beta virus first identified in South Africa, which triggered surge testing where it was found in the UK earlier this year due to its concerning properties, as well as in two other strains of B1617, the parent lineage of the Delta variant. All three did not have the same highly contagious properties as Delta.

But scientists have warned for some time that a combination of highly transmissible Delta with an immune escape mutation could pose a threat to vaccines.

[...]

A PHE spokesperson said: “We constantly monitor all data relating to SARS-CoV-2 variants in the UK and abroad. Delta with E484K is not a Variant Under Investigation or a Variant of Concern at this time. When cases are identified, health protection teams are informed so that they can take actions appropriate to the epidemiological situation.”

Nice to know that this shit festering globally produces a never-ending supply of fucked up variants.
Also noteworthy that this kind of stuff first emerges in places with low vaccination, where the virus gets spread around quicker and on a wider basis, making fertile grounds for the virus to hang out with distant cousins and mingle.

 

[TopCat]

If you weren't convinced already, there's a new Family Guy short out. Stewie and Brian travel inside Peter’s body to explain how vaccines work, as well as to encourage vaccination:

Source

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

there's a new Family Guy short out. Stewie and Brian travel inside Peter’s body to explain how vaccines work, as well as to encourage vaccination:

"Cock gobble your establishment propaganda over here! Just one moar vax to slow to the spread! Purge the unclean, filthy unvaxed from your lives! HAIL PFIZER!"