Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Nobue]

Nah, you're an anti-vaxer because you're pushing retarded anti-vax points. mRNA vaccines have been researched for a while. They've done testing on the general population. It's the only way to get us done with this stupid covid shit and you're against it because you believe Jenny McCarthy over actual doctors and scientists.

The rate of an adverse reaction to the vaccine is far, far less than from covid. Just because something isn't 100% safe doesn't mean it's not much safer than the alternative. Bridges aren't 100% safe, but I suspect you go over them all the time

No, I'm an anti vaxxer because you want to control others by proxy, since you have no control over any part of your miserable life. They've done far less testing than normal, neglected certain populations, which you admitted, and no matter how much we give in, we keep having to give up more every time we give in to this.

Why didn't you listen to the doctors who pushed for health people to get exposed to this early on, or the ones who opposed lockdowns? Oddly enough, the only credible ones are the ones saying what power-hungry people want.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

No, I'm an anti vaxxer because you want to control others by proxy, since you have no control over any part of your miserable life. They've done far less testing than normal, neglected certain populations, which you admitted, and no matter how much we give in, we keep having to give up more every time we give in to this.

You're an anti-vaxxer because you're a retard, but at least you now admit you're an anti-vax retard. They've done plenty of testing. Just because they didn't do a specific test in India doesn't mean they didn't do full testing. Do you think they do that kind of testing for every vaccine? Spoiler: They don't.

Why didn't you listen to the doctors who pushed for health people to get exposed to this early on, or the ones who opposed lockdowns? Oddly enough, the only credible ones are the ones saying what power-hungry people want.

Because those doctors make up a vast minority of professional opinions. Just because you're retarded enough to believe Jenny McCarthy over the vast majority of medical doctors and scientists doesn't mean that you're right.

 

[Nobue]

You're an anti-vaxxer because you're a retard, but at least you now admit you're an anti-vax retard. They've done plenty of testing. Just because they didn't do a specific test in India doesn't mean they didn't do full testing. Do you think they do that kind of testing for every vaccine? Spoiler: They don't.

Because those doctors make up a vast minority of professional opinions. Just because you're retarded enough to believe Jenny McCarthy over the vast majority of medical doctors and scientists doesn't mean that you're right.

Those experts were right about lockdowns, asymptomatic spread, hydroxychloroquine (which is suddenly okay), and surface spread. Even those other experts are pushing these same viewpoints now.

They usually do far more testing, and the CDC has a fourth stage of testing for after a vaccine is released normally where they look for issues for years after the vaccine was approved. These vaccines got emergency approvals. You want millions of people to test a vaccine against their will.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Those experts were right about lockdowns, asymptomatic spread, hydroxychloroquine (which is suddenly okay), and surface spread. Even those other experts are pushing these same viewpoints now.

Citation needed

They usually do far more testing, and the CDC has a fourth stage of testing for after a vaccine is released normally where they look for issues for years after the vaccine was approved. These vaccines got emergency approvals. You want millions of people to test a vaccine against their will.

We also don't have the full long-term effects from covid, which you're trying to force people to get against their will. At least the vaccine has far less likelihood of damage

 

[Moff Ensign]

bro what if I like, don't get a vaccine and then I also don't get the virus? won't that get us out of the pandemic just as fast?

 

[Nobue]

Citation needed

We also don't have the full long-term effects from covid, which you're trying to force people to get against their will. At least the vaccine has far less likelihood of damage

This is the study the experts and media have acknowledged:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study

Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

Approximately 9 months of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavius-2 (SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19]) spreading across the globe has led to widespread …

www.sciencedirect.com

You're wanting to make EVERYONE risk their health over something the vast majority of people will survive with almost no issues. We may not know all the long-term health effects, but most people don't even know if they have it. The number of new cases also dropped by half when the WHO changed their testing standards. We can't even say if those people with issues actually had it. Considering how the US was paying hospitals for COVID patients, and our numbers skyrocketed, we've got more reason to doubt most of these people even had COVID.

Old people and people with health issues get sick and die. Forced medical experiments for their benefit are just deranged.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

This is the study the experts and media have acknowledged:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study

Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

Approximately 9 months of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavius-2 (SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19]) spreading across the globe has led to widespread …

www.sciencedirect.com

What? That has nothing to do with your previous claims.

You're wanting to make EVERYONE risk their health over something the vast majority of people will survive with almost no issues. We may not know all the long-term health effects, but most people don't even know if they have it. The number of new cases also dropped by half when the WHO changed their testing standards. We can't even say if those people with issues actually had it.

That's just retarded that you think those people didn't actually have it. If you're gonna make those claims, I am not even going to reply to you because that's legit the most retarded thing ever posted on this site.

Considering how the US was paying hospitals for COVID patients, and our numbers skyrocketed, we've got more reason to doubt most of these people even had COVID.

Old people and people with health issues get sick and die. Forced medical experiments for their benefit are just deranged.

We don't know the long-term effects. There's people who had no symptoms that had it and now have heart issues from it. MRNA vaccines have been tested for a while and have no issues, and the effects from the vaccine are far less bad than from covid. A vaccine to end this stupid covid shit isn't a forced medical experiment. Why do you trust Jenny McCarthy over doctors and scientists? She's wrong about her claims that vaccines made you autistic

 

[Nobue]

What? That has nothing to do with your previous claims.

That's just retarded that you think those people didn't actually have it. If you're gonna make those claims, I am not even going to reply to you because that's legit the most retarded thing ever posted on this site.

We don't know the long-term effects. There's people who had no symptoms that had it and now have heart issues from it. MRNA vaccines have been tested for a while and have no issues, and the effects from the vaccine are far less bad than from covid. A vaccine to end this stupid covid shit isn't a forced medical experiment. Why do you trust Jenny McCarthy over doctors and scientists? She's wrong about her claims that vaccines made you autistic

Buddy, I only know McCarthy from ViP and Baywatch. Once again, you're lumping me into an easily dismissable group. I'm telling you why I'm skeptical about this, and why I'm certain this won't end afterwards. Why am I wrong to make these assumptions when there's been a pattern of behavior over the past year, and when these people have consistently done what I've claimed?

What sort of proof and what sources would convince you?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Buddy, I only know McCarthy from ViP and Baywatch. Once again, you're lumping me into an easily dismissable group. I'm telling you why I'm skeptical about this, and why I'm certain this won't end afterwards. Why am I wrong to make these assumptions when there's been a pattern of behavior over the past year, and when these people have consistently done what I've claimed?

What sort of proof and what sources would convince you?

Well, I am not arrogant enough to believe I know more about a subject than people who study it for a living and have devoted their lives to studying it.

When said scientists and doctors agree the vaccine is safe and get it themselves (which they have), I trust it, because again, I am smart enough to know when I am not an expert in something and then will defer to said experts. I will get it in a few weeks when I am scheduled to because I am not a selfish dick and I actually care about others.

 

[Nobue]

Well, I am not arrogant enough to believe I know more about a subject than people who study it for a living and have devoted their lives to studying it.

When said scientists and doctors agree the vaccine is safe and get it themselves (which they have), I trust it, because again, I am smart enough to know when I am not an expert in something and then will defer to said experts. I will get it in a few weeks when I am scheduled to because I am not a selfish dick and I actually care about others.

You're acting on the assumption these are pure-hearted people who would only act in your best interests. You don't think palms are greased, or funding for projects withheld if they don't do what the people funding want from them?

When drugs and vaccines lose their approval, does that mean they had the B-team testing and approving them originally? Many of those issues popped up years down the road, and you want to force everybody to risk their health. Even the experts disagree with each other, like with the lockdowns.

It's not arrogance to have your doubts, especially when there's reason to doubt them.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You're acting on the assumption these are pure-hearted people who would only act in your best interests. You don't think palms are greased, or funding for projects withheld if they don't do what the people funding want from them?

When drugs and vaccines lose their approval, does that mean they had the B-team testing and approving them originally? Many of those issues popped up years down the road, and you want to force everybody to risk their health. Even the experts disagree with each other, like with the lockdowns.

It's not arrogance to have your doubts, especially when there's reason to doubt them.

So you know more about a subject than people who devoted their lives to studying it because once in a great while those people are wrong? I wish I was as arrogant as you. Life would be a lot easier

I bet you also tell pilots that they should let you fly the plane because sometimes pilots screw up, right? I bet when your grandma needs surgery you tell the surgeon to let you do it because surgeons sometimes screw up, right? I bet when your mom's car breaks down, you tell the mechanic to let you fix it because sometimes mechanics screw up, right?

You are absolutely the definition of arrogance

 

[Tleilaxian]

Imagine how slow medical technology would progress if everyone was as skeptical as you people.

"Oh yay I just discovered the cure for cancer!!"

"Oh we should totally wait 50 years to see if it has any long term effects before rolling it out to the public, and let millions die in the process."

All because you want to own the libs.

I hope you really enjoy that thalidomide, that lobotomy, and that gender-reassignment surgery.

Medical technology "advances" aren't miraculously automatically good things with absolutely no negative side effects.

15 days was if we did it correctly at the beginning. Look at New Zealand, they locked down hard and didn't have any cases for like a month. But of course people were like muh freedoms and couldn't resist hooking up on Tinder and causing superspreader events with their terrorist friends.

Are you actually such a retard that you're actually trying to compare a tiny island with the rest of the world?

I'd also like to point out that it was people like you shitting themselves in anger about 'muh racism' when people had the audacity to suggest border closures when this was just starting up that lead to the situation we're in now.

This is all your fault.

India rejected its emergency plea because Pfizer didn't test specifically on an Indian population.

It's almost like there are significant genetic differences between groups, and the genetically distinct population on the Indian subcontinent could react differently to the vaccine to Europeans or Africans...

It's almost like the Indian government wants adequate testing on the possible side effects of a vaccine that was rushed to market with a fraction of the testing vaccines usually undergo before releasing it into their population...

 

[Nobue]

So you know more about a subject than people who devoted their lives to studying it because once in a great while those people are wrong? I wish I was as arrogant as you. Life would be a lot easier

I bet you also tell pilots that they should let you fly the plane because sometimes pilots screw up, right?

If your doctor said you were sick with X, and their treatment did nothing, and you kept getting sicker, would you refuse to question their abilities? What if you see other people with that disease getting treated differently getting better? Wouldn't you doubt your doctor? What if a certain drug manufacturer was paying them to push their drugs? There have been scandals over that. Fauci even refused to let people use a lot of experimental drugs for AIDS at one point that turned out to work better than the one he was pushing-- one that killed people faster than the AIDS did, and more horribly. He had a financial interest in that drug becoming the standard, too, but I mean, no doctor would be crooked, or fall prey to hysteria like anyone else would, right?

Remember, the Tuskegee experiment? No doctor would ever lie or do what crooked people want, right?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

If your doctor said you were sick with X, and their treatment did nothing, and you kept getting sicker, would you refuse to question their abilities? What if you see other people with that disease getting treated differently getting better? Wouldn't you doubt your doctor? What if a certain drug manufacturer was paying them to push their drugs? There have been scandals over that. Fauci even refused to let people use a lot of experimental drugs for AIDS at one point that turned out to work better than the one he was pushing-- one that killed people faster than the AIDS did, and more horribly. He had a financial interest in that drug becoming the standard, too, but I mean, no doctor would be crooked, or fall prey to hysteria like anyone else would, right?

Remember, the Tuskegee experiment? No doctor would ever lie or do what crooked people want, right?

So you're saying that because some doctors are corrupt and others are sometimes wrong, that you know more than them about their chosen fields? You are either absurdly arrogant and narcissistic or the epitome of Dunning-Kruger.

Comparing the overwhelming, vast majority of doctors and scientists to a few bad doctors is really funny and shows how ignorant you are.

You still haven't answered my question, either.

 

[Nobue]

So you're saying that because some doctors are corrupt and others are sometimes wrong, that you know more than them about their chosen fields? You are either absurdly arrogant and narcissistic or the epitome of Dunning-Kruger.

Comparing the overwhelming, vast majority of doctors and scientists to a few bad doctors is really funny and shows how ignorant you are.

You still haven't answered my question, either.

I'm saying a lot of powerful, influential people want something, and people who tend to bend to their will bend to their will. A lot of doctors also go along with the research those people do. Why shouldn't I doubt it? I mean, we had twenty years of research disagreeing on how much, if anything, masks did out in the wild until it benefited the people funding these research institutes to shut everything down. I bet you were one of those guys wanting to go into Iraq because the experts said it was the right thing to do. How'd that turn out?

What question did I fail to answer?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm saying a lot of powerful, influential people want something, and people who tend to bend to their will bend to their will. A lot of doctors also go along with the research those people do. Why shouldn't I doubt it? I mean, we had twenty years of research disagreeing on how much, if anything, masks did out in the wild until it benefited the people funding these research institutes to shut everything down. I bet you were one of those guys wanting to go into Iraq because the experts said it was the right thing to do. How'd that turn out?

How did it help people funding research institutes to shut everything down? Do you even know who funds those institutes? You're talking like a conspiratard here.

What question did I fail to answer?

I bet you also tell pilots that they should let you fly the plane because sometimes pilots screw up, right? I bet when your grandma needs surgery you tell the surgeon to let you do it because surgeons sometimes screw up, right? I bet when your mom's car breaks down, you tell the mechanic to let you fix it because sometimes mechanics screw up, right?

You legit think you know more than doctors and scientists about their chosen fields and thus you know more than experts in their own fields. You are just a bastion of knowledge about every subject on earth, so you must not ever have anyone ever do a service for you.

 

[Artificial Baits]

I will not take it unless I am forced (i.e. I cannot use public transportation, enter countries etc without). Which, if this should happen, does make me wonder what could be in the vaccine that it is so important for people to get it. Give the vaccine to the people who are high risk and let the others decide if they want it or not

 

[Nobue]

How did it help people funding research institutes to shut everything down? Do you even know who funds those institutes? You're talking like a conspiratard here.


You legit think you know more than doctors and scientists about their chosen fields and thus you know more than experts in their own fields. You are just a bastion of knowledge about every subject on earth, so you must not ever have anyone ever do a service for you.

Most research is done through either government or corporate funding. Government gets control over you, controls what protests you can hold, what people you can assemble with, and the corporations get to whip people into a frenzy and get the competition shut down. With no jobs, you're either getting slave wages from the companies that are hiring, or you're dependent on the government and submit to them totally.

You're sounding like a religious zealot defending their preacher who cheats them out of their money and touches their kids. People will use their position as experts to take advantage of you, so you have to be skeptical about things you don't fully understand. If the things they keep saying will happen never pan out, only pan out when it's convenient for them and/or their friends, or the goalposts keep moving, you've got to be skeptical.

I've seen you on the political boards questioning things you don't like. Why can't I, especially when I have reasons to doubt the good intentions of the people trying to force their "goodwill" onto me?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

You're the one who doesn't understand what an attenuated virus is, champ

Its a modified version of either 1) a less-virulent form of the target virus or 2) an unrelated but otherwise benign virus (e.g. rhinovirus or adenovirus) with the protein spike, or other identifying surface feature, of the target virus cleaved onto it (so it "looks like" the target virus to your immune system)
Attenuated viruses are one form of live virus vaccine, the other being using a closely-related but less-lethal sister-species of the target virus (i.e. the smallpox vaccine).

But that's neither here nor there, the point is that live virus vaccines and inactivated virus vaccines have been around for quite some time, and are well-researched and their effects well-studied. Saying "iTs NoT a LiVe ViRuS iT cAnT GiVe yOu CoViD!11" is a retarded talking point when trying to dismiss the fact that people are skeptical of understudied methodology being rushed out and pushed upon everyone.
Its like telling someone they need to move to the Sahara Desert, and then when they voice concern about moving to the fucking Sahara addressing their concerns with "lol its not a forest, trees can't fall on your house!" as if that's why they're worried about moving to the desert.

This site is full of legit QAnon believers and other conspiracy nutjobs who don't understand basic science.

I'm literally a biologist you assmad faggot

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm literally a biologist you assmad faggot

Sure ya are. You're a biologist yet you're terrified of an attenuated virus? Wow...

Most research is done through either government or corporate funding. Government gets control over you, controls what protests you can hold, what people you can assemble with, and the corporations get to whip people into a frenzy and get the competition shut down. With no jobs, you're either getting slave wages from the companies that are hiring, or you're dependent on the government and submit to them totally.

You're sounding like a religious zealot defending their preacher who cheats them out of their money and touches their kids. People will use their position as experts to take advantage of you, so you have to be skeptical about things you don't fully understand. If the things they keep saying will happen never pan out, only pan out when it's convenient for them and/or their friends, or the goalposts keep moving, you've got to be skeptical.

I've seen you on the political boards questioning things you don't like. Why can't I, especially when I have reasons to doubt the good intentions of the people trying to force their "goodwill" onto me?

You still haven't answered my question. You also refuse to admit you're an anti-vaxer, while still spouting all their talking points and listing off stupid retarded conspiracies. Just admit you're an anti-vaxer and grow some balls