Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Nobue]

Yes, I never said the vaccine was sterilizing, it's not, it just lessens symptoms, almost NOBODY with the vaccine gets a severe case of covid. And we know it's spread through aerosols and bodily fluids. Who do you think is spreading more, someone with no symptoms because they got the vaccine or someone coughing and sneezing 24/7?

That's why people who aren't taking it now are more likely to put strain on the healthcare systems, more likely to spread it, and all the evidence points towards taking the vaccine to end this nightmare.

Like the guy above me mentioned, it's constantly mutating, and it's still spreading anyways. Hospitals were only overrun in certain parts of the country, and that tended to be places with hospital boats and field hospitals that went unused.

They were telling us the vaccine would end this, then told us it would keep dragging on in spite of it. Just like 2 weeks of lockdowns turned into 2 months, then 2 years. Just like how those same people backtracked and told us they only wanted us to wear a mask, then demanded schools stay closed once people drove themselves into a frenzy, then demanded MORE lockdowns.

The drop in numbers as soon as it was convenient should make you question things, but the fact these guys move the goalposts every time we cower and comply on top of that should make you doubt these people.

Stop clinging onto your desperate delusions and power-by-proxy fantasies. This won't end until we so complying, and all you guys going full soy over the vaccine are encouraging these people to keep doing worse.

 

[Moff Ensign]

New Zealand are the only country in the god damn world that did anything right by fully locking down their borders. Somehow, a once in a lifetime chance that the retard Kiwi government makes a right choice.
So the solution was clear in the first place, right? Contain it and it'll eventually disappear?
So then why push for vaccines that won't stop it spreading anyway?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Please enlighten me, I'm all ears. All I've heard is conspiracy after conspiracy that makes the Q supporters look sane

It would be less retarded if you guys would just admit you won't take it because you're too selfish, you're willing to let people die because of your delusions.

1a) The current methodology is untested and unproven on a massive scale, we have very little (if any) long-term peer-reviewed data on the effects of mRNA methodology on patients
1b) These vaccines have not undergone enough testing on certain demographics (i.e. pregnant women, children, the 20-30% of us who already got COVID)
1c) There is absolutely zero testing on the effects of closely-related Coronavirus species/strains on those who have received the vaccine, and the possibility exists for an immune overreaction to a sister-species/sister-strain

2) At a population level it has little or no effect, as (the current mRNA types) are non-sterilizing and its viral biology make (quick mutations, rapid spread, animal reservoir) make the vaccine largely useless long-term anyways

3) There is little, albeit largely negative, information on the widespread effects of non-sterilizing vaccines on viral evolution. By removing the element of host sickness, you remove the selection pressure which favors less-lethal substrains/lineages over more lethal/severe symptom strains

4) Even with the vaccine there is absolutely no guarantee that our chicken-shit overlords will let us "go back to normal"

5) COVID-19's infection lethality rate is not high enough to warrant forcing everyone to get vaccinated, especially if the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading it anyways.

15 days was if we did it correctly at the beginning. Look at New Zealand, they locked down hard and didn't have any cases for like a month.

Literally false.
They did have spread, it went undetected.

But of course people were like muh freedoms and couldn't resist hooking up on Tinder and causing superspreader events with their terrorist friends.

Okay Lucas Werner

 

[Uzumaki]

Look, I'm trying to be openminded here.

This is what Scientologists actually believe.

Also: you need to learn what the tophat sticker stands for.

 

[OrionBalls]

Why do you make up obvious lies on Kiwi Farms?

My parents both got their first doses last week. So did a family friend. None of them experienced anything other than injection site soreness. Is that more along the type of anecdotal evidence you were looking for?

I know of 10 people who have had the vaccine. All of them have experienced bad reactions to it, some of them are still feeling ill after 2 weeks from just the first vaccine being taken. The most common reaction is a severe head ache and soreness breathing

Well, that doesn't coalesce with my personal interactions with people who have been vaccinated, at all. Perhaps, we are both ignorant of what is happening to our friends outside of our sight, or we both don't quite understand how mass immunizations work.

 

[9263900263]

My parents both got their first doses last week. So did a family friend. None of them experienced anything other than injection site soreness. Is that more along the type of anecdotal evidence you were looking for?

Well, that doesn't coalesce with my personal interactions with people who have been vaccinated, at all. Perhaps, we are both ignorant of what is happening to our friends outside of our sight, or we both don't quite understand how mass immunizations work.

Or some people are reacting poorly to it, even dying from reactions to it and some are getting away without a problem. Almost like the virus which can kill you, make you sick or be so underwhelming you don't notice you have it?

 

[OrionBalls]

Or some people are reacting poorly to it, even dying from reactions to it and some are getting away without a problem. Almost like the virus which can kill you, make you sick or be so underwhelming you don't notice you have it?

I'm confused as to how allergic reactions in any way coincide with being infected with a respiratory virus. There are distinct differences in treatment. And in onset. Please tell me how these things are correlated.

 

[9263900263]

I'm confused as to how allergic reactions in any way coincide with being infected with a respiratory virus. There are distinct differences in treatment. And in onset. Please tell me how these things are correlated.

Well first you have the vaccine and then you have a reaction to it. Do you need it explained with hand puppets?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

My parents both got their first doses last week. So did a family friend. None of them experienced anything other than injection site soreness. Is that more along the type of anecdotal evidence you were looking for?

I know dozens of people who got them and the most any had issues was that one had to take a day off of work after the 2nd dose. Studies have shown that severe reactions, like he is talking about, are pretty rare, so statistically that he'd know 10 people who all got them is next to impossible.

Received both doses (Moderna) and I feel fine. Please get the vaccine when you can. Save your life. Save the lives of your loved ones.

This site is full of autistic spases who barely passed remedial high school science class who think they know more than scientists who devoted their lives to studying a subject. Dunning-Kruger is a very real thing.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Well first you have the vaccine and then you have a reaction to it. Do you need it explained with hand puppets?

The vaccine is not, like the flu vaccine, made with an attenuated form the of the virus. You can’t get corona from it.

 

[Vecr]

The vaccine is not, like the flu vaccine, made with an attenuated form the of the virus. You can’t get corona from it.

Yeah, but it can cause allergic and autoimmune reactions, but it does appear to prevent disease in most cases for a while.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Please enlighten me, I'm all ears. All I've heard is conspiracy after conspiracy that makes the Q supporters look sane

It would be less retarded if you guys would just admit you won't take it because you're too selfish, you're willing to let people die because of your delusions.

Other people's lives are not my responsibility moralfag. If you don't want to get sick hide in your basement for a decade while the rest of us live as normal as possible and mysteriously don't all keel over.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The vaccine is not, like the flu vaccine, made with an attenuated form the of the virus. You can’t get corona from it.

Which is exactly why people don't trust it.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Most of this research gets corporate or government funding. The medical industry has an insane amount of political power, so they're going to use that power to sell vaccines. Government is going to keep testing the waters to see what you'll submit to--remember how 15 days to stop the thread turned into demands for years of lockdowns? If you're scared enough to beta-test a vaccine so these people can make money for their owners, what wouldn't you submit to?

Tell me-- now that they're saying you'll still be able to spread COVID, and nothing will change, why are you so determined that everyone should get a vaccine? They supposedly won't work on the newer strains.

The Pfizer vaccine slows the spread, too, but keep pushing that unfounded pseudoscience https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-viral-load-study--68439

Which is exactly why people don't trust it.

That's legit one of the most retarded posts on this forum, which is saying a lot

 

[RinguPingu745]

Absolutely not. A friend of mine's ex husband recently died about fourteen days or so after getting the second round. I know I'm paranoid and it's probably a coincidence, but I've heard enough horror stories about this thing killing otherwise healthy people to know better. I'll take my chances with the overblown Chinese Flu, and so is the rest of my family and friends.

A good vaccine is properly tested and actually works to stop the spread of what it's made for, not just prevent the worst symptoms or outright kill you. I'll wait a couple years until they actually sort it out and make sure it's actually safe to get.

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

They probably did understate it a bit, but they took lockdowns very, very seriously and did much better than the US and other countries in stopping the spread. As a result, they were able to reopen better and their economy is doing better. All because some manchildren were upset that they couldn't go get a haircut so they threw a temper tantrum and got stuff reopened

I believed that at first until we had the BLM marches and the authorities weren't trying to convince people to stay home but instead encouraged them to get out there yelling and marching close together. That's when I realized that covid must not have been that serious if it could magically go into hibernation at anti-racism protests.

And I'm not a MAGA tard. I fully believed the hype about covid until the Dems refused to speak a word about covid for fear of appearing racist for doing so. It's not just Trump who is to blame. The Dems shot themselves in the foot by making it a political thing. All they had to do was say we support BLM but please stay home because we are in the middle of a pandemic and they didn't have the guts to say it. Must not be that deadly if winning the election was more important than stopping the spread.

15 days was if we did it correctly at the beginning. Look at New Zealand, they locked down hard and didn't have any cases for like a month. But of course people were like muh freedoms and couldn't resist hooking up on Tinder and causing superspreader events with their terrorist friends.

Fauci didn't even tell people not to hook up on Tinder. He told people that if they were going to do it, to wear a mask. If you can't ask people to give up random hook ups for the greater good, why is it okay to ask people to take an experimental vaccine on the chance that it might, maybe make it less severe but won't stop the spread and we still have to wear masks

Fauci endorses Tinder hookups "if you're willing to take a risk"

Which is exactly why people don't trust it.

There has never been an mRNA vaccine brought to market before. They've never made it out of the clinical trial process. So, it is natural to be skeptical that they have been working on this technology for decades but never had any success until they were given permission to skip some testing stages in order to get it rushed to the public. Maybe it turns out to be a god send. Maybe it turns out to be the next thalidomide. We probably won't know which it is for at least a few years, maybe a decade or so. It's not even a vaccine according the definition because it doesn't actually contain an inactivated or attenuated form of the covid virus.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

That's legit one of the most retarded posts on this forum, which is saying a lot

"I can't understand it, therefore it's retarded" - HHH, 2021

There has never been an mRNA vaccine brought to market before. They've never made it out of the clinical trial process. So, it is natural to be skeptical that they have been working on this technology for decades but never had any success until they were given permission to skip some testing stages in order to get it rushed to the public. Maybe it turns out to be a god send. Maybe it turns out to be the next thalidomide. We probably won't know which it is for at least a few years, maybe a decade or so. It's not even a vaccine according the definition because it doesn't actually contain an inactivated or attenuated form of the covid virus.

^This.

I actually don't mistrust mRNA going into the future, I mistrust mRNA technology rolled out with cut corners and insufficient studies/reports/meta-analysis NOW. I'm sure by 2050 mRNA vaccines will be widespread and well-studied; but we aren't there now.
It would be another thing entirely if we were facing some serious disease with an IFR >10% that affected healthy people of all ages and our only hope was in some miracle technology pulled out of left-field; but it's not and we have other options of dealing with it.

Jet engines became the future of fighter aircraft; but if you went before any military of the day and told them to abandon the prop-engine in favor of jet engines in 1939 they'd laugh you off and rightfully so.

 

[Vulva Gape]

You all are the most autistic people I have ever seen. If you don't want to get the vaccine because you don't care that you're killing grandma, just say it. I'm not going to read your stupid 5 page essays about why it's moral and totally not the decision only psychopaths would make.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

You all are the most autistic people I have ever seen. If you don't want to get the vaccine because you don't care that you're killing grandma, just say it. I'm not going to read your stupid 5 page essays about why it's moral and totally not the decision only psychopaths would make.

I don't fucking care that nature might kill your grandma.

 

[Devyn]

Or some people are reacting poorly to it, even dying from reactions to it and some are getting away without a problem. Almost like the virus which can kill you, make you sick or be so underwhelming you don't notice you have it?

Your post reminded me of this (regarding a live oral Polio vaccine):

Full PDF source from the Library of Congress:

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/fedreg/fr049/fr049107/fr049107.pdf

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