Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Pinochet Was Right]

The vax has become part of the standard consoomer goods. It has replaced the starcucks latte as the stock instagram picture.

 

[Lawrence of Algeria]

To be fair, just because you had a bad immediate reaction doesn't mean you will have long term problems.
I had 24 hours of hell the day after getting the Yellow Fever vaccine, but then I was fine.

Yeah, but same goes the other way. Someone might be fine after taking the vaccine but might have long term complications. And I'm not saying they're injecting you with chips or other insane bullshit. We just can't know until some time passes. Pandemrix (swine flu vaccine) for example increased the risk of getting narcolepsy. I'd rather wait.

The vax has become part of the standard consoomer goods. It has replaced the starcucks latte as the stock instagram picture.

Agreed, I can't count how many photos of people with proof they got vaccinated I saw on the internet. Like they're some superheroes. I mean, good for you? Thanks for testing, so in a few years other people will be able to see if it's really safe. You still don't get bragging rights.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm not getting the "vaccine" because we don't need it. Covid is not a pandemic.

Consult a fucking dictionary. It is.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

"JUST EAT THE BUGS YOU PUSSY"

Just be more scared, pussy!

It's gotta suck to be so terrified of science.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Yeah, but same goes the other way. Someone might be fine after taking the vaccine but might have long term complications. And I'm not saying they're injecting you with chips or other insane bullshit. We just can't know until some time passes. Pandemrix (swine flu vaccine) for example increased the risk of getting narcolepsy. I'd rather wait.

Yeah, yeah. I wasn't disagreeing, just clarifying.
Getting a fever or having fatigue isn't new to vaccines, but shit gone wrong might not be known until years down the road.

It's gotta suck to be so terrified of science.

Darwinism & Natural Selection isn't science?
I didn't know you were a young earth creationist, HHH.

 

[Vulva Gape]

Bro I don't care if there's long term effects I do hard drugs. I have other things to worry about. A little poke isn't scary cause I'm no pussy

I had 24 hours of hell the day after getting the Yellow Fever vaccine, but then I was fine.

So you got vaccinated for some random pathogen that isn't even endemic but you're against covid vax? Lol

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

A little poke isn't scary cause I'm no pussy

A little sniffle isn't scary cause I'm no pussy.

So you got vaccinated for some random pathogen that isn't even endemic but you're against covid vax? Lol

The country I was travelling to has endemic Yellow Fever.
YF's overall IFR is anywhere from 5-10%, with a CFR as high as 20-50%.
COVID's IFR is less than a quarter of a percent, plus I already had COVID and was asymptomatic.

YF vaccine has been around since the 50's. COVID jab came out last year.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Darwinism & Natural Selection isn't science?
I didn't know you were a young earth creationist, HHH.

Being terrified of a vaccine because you are illiterate at science and are unaware of herd immunity is indeed science

 

[F_Break]

I finally heard back from my relative that also has an autoimmune condition and their experience completely mirrored mine right down to time of onset, severity and duration. If you have conditions like celiac, crohns, ulcerative colitis, etc- the second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines will probably hit you a bit harder than most people. If possible, keep your schedule light for the day of and the day after but you should be fine after that.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

Being terrified of a vaccine because you are illiterate at science and are unaware of herd immunity is indeed science

you can still spread the virus after the vax, silly

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

There's a pseudoscience debunking blog by McGill University's Office for Science and Society called Separating Sense from Nonsense and they have done a lot of great COVID coverage. They don't dismiss the argument of shortcuts being made but say there's no evidence of that due to how well designed the studies were.

I can understand some hesitancy about COVID-19 vaccines. After all, these have been rolled out in an amazingly short time, far shorter than any other vaccine ever. That raises the question of shortcuts having been taken, an accusation that is not borne out by evidence. The theory behind the vaccines is sound, the trials have been well designed, and the early results better than expected. Much of this is due to unprecedented scientific cooperation and lots of researchers putting their backs to the wheel. It is true that the trials so far have been short and that long-term evidence is lacking. However, there is no way to get around this, you cannot have long term results before a long term has passed. Mired in a pandemic we just cannot afford to wait. Our best bet at getting back to some semblance of normalcy is widespread vaccination.

Call Me a Vaccine Pusher

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iontech can (apparently) cause Myocarditis (if you exercise after the vaccination). Myocarditis can happen after getting certain vaccines.

Astra and J&J can cause blood-clots.

All the adverse events happened to a really small percentage of people getting the vaccines.

Boths these things are also complications of CoVid (besides the obvious not breathing thing) and the chance to get this from CoVid is a lot higher than from the Vaccines. In fact, blood clots are big factor in CoVid-deaths. Also, even after mild cases of CoVid your death risk is up to 60% higher compared to people who have not had CoVid for at least 6 months. And then there is Long-CoVid which can fuck you up for a long time.

I would think this is a no-brainer. But what do I know? I'm just a nerd on the internet.

Does COVID cause cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST)? I've heard it can cause nasty life threatening bloodclots but not this specific type of CVST clot that Astra Zeneca causes.

Lefties love accusing their opponents of lacking empathy. When this tactic works, ironically, it's only because its target has the empathetic ability common to the human species and knows not caring about people is a bad thing. Also ironically, it's the sort of accusation that comes out of people narcissistic enough to believe that agreeing with them is a prerequisite for having human characteristics.

Fuck off, Karen. My body, my choice. Life has risks. Old people die. I wash my hands and I don't go barfing on retirement homes. Only last year did lunatics decide that the acceptable risk threshold was zero, and anyone caught outside a cocoon of bubble wrap was a dangerous murderer. I'm way more concerned with the insane government overreach, constant goalpost shifting, and unending lies from the powers that be than I am with this cold. Every single claim that we all need to do "just one more thing" to get back to normal has been a fat fucking lie, and these vaccines are no exception.


Yeah, you wish. The difference between me and these psycho Covid munchies is that I don't give a shit if they poke themselves with a needle full of messenger RNA or chicken soup. They want daddy government to ruin my life if *I* don't.

Valid argument in your first paragraph. Appeals to morality are a common form of rhetoric but I personally think most people warn against the COVID vaccines or any vaccine really because they care about other people's well-being. You ruin your first paragraph's argument by the "old people die" thing which is kind of funny but basically just a meme at this point. You could apply that to anything because everyone is going to die from something but why should an old person have to leave the world in such a shitty way like COVID infection when it can be prevented?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

you can still spread the virus after the vax, silly

It's been shown to slow the spread pretty well. They just weren't sure that it would at first and you retards took that as "it doesn't work to stop the spread!"

 

[EyelessMC]

Being terrified of a vaccine because you are illiterate at science

It's gotta suck to be so terrified of science.

And? There's a difference between that and medical terminology that you and I are not familiar with.

The uber vaxxer, everyone. Knows as much as you do about the science involved in the vaccine, maybe a little less or more, but will treat you like a neanderthal cowing away from fire because you don't blindly trust the Doctors (who concur with his view, not the heretic ""doctors"" who don't).
"Doctor" here should be capitalized for the uber vaxxer, like Gospel or God.

There's a pseudoscience debunking blog by McGill University's Office for Science and Society called Separating Sense from Nonsense and they have done a lot of great COVID coverage. They don't dismiss the argument of shortcuts being made but say there's no evidence of that due to how well designed the studies were.

Thanks for the link! I'll give it a read. The quote you showed also echoes not only the massive rush by Operation Warp Speed but the general consensus among the broad majority of the medical field that cutting corners (regarding time and testing, not development) was necessary since "we have no time to wait" due to the pandemic's spread. It's a troubling but at least honest take from the writer.

Now that we know so much about the virus, its main demographic risk, etc. and since there's no Black Plague style danger of mass spread and mass death anymore, we should be more open to further study and testing of the vaccines rather than just sticking to the idea of getting as many vaccinated with these rushed vaccines as possible, which sadly the latter is what governments are pushing for.
Some of them pushing a little too hard

Also it should be noted though that the initial study by Pfizer wasn't even peer reviewed at the time they were already rolling things out and scrambling for FDA emergency approval--while stockpiling the vaccine prior to approval, mind you--back before December. There's no way a vaccine, let alone an experimental kind, can be developed and rigorously tested within a few months when just common vaccines take years.

I finally heard back from my relative that also has an autoimmune condition and their experience completely mirrored mine right down to time of onset, severity and duration. If you have conditions like celiac, crohns, ulcerative colitis, etc- the second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines will probably hit you a bit harder than most people. If possible, keep your schedule light for the day of and the day after but you should be fine after that.

Probably hits harder due to the medications inhibiting the immune system to begin with, especially if you're already on injectables like Humera or if you're doing transfusion treatment.

Bro I don't care if there's long term effects I do hard drugs.

I didn't know Chantal was in the thread.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

The uber vaxxer, everyone. Knows as much as you do about the science involved in the vaccine, maybe a little less or more, but will treat you like a neanderthal cowing away from fire because you don't blindly trust the Doctors (who concur with his view, not the heretic ""doctors"" who don't).
"Doctor" here should be capitalized for the uber vaxxer, like Gospel or God.

I trust the doctors I work with and know, as well as the other 98% of doctors, not the couple of quacks who are anti-vax who usually are peddling their own supplements to con the rubes. Then again, with your crippling autism, you're more likely to get conned so I should suspect as much

 

[EyelessMC]

I just read the article and it just gives the usual "trust the science" line after emphasizing the problem I mentioned of "everyone needs to be vaccinated or we'll never get back to normal!"
The article overall isn't about this subject, sadly. It's mostly about vaccinations in general and the fears parents have of their long term effects on their children. No one rational is saying vaccines are universally to be avoided so I'm there with the guy on that one, but further study and investigation into vaccines and their application at certain ages or other factors, especially new vaccines and stuff like the Covid experimental vaccines, or their correlation to certain problems (the autism argument in the article gave me a chuckle) is also rational. It's odd to me that people would encourage one or the other rather than both.

It's also retarded to just say "Hey, I guess they don't trust the science" when that's the argument companies and BigPharma has been using since their dawn. Anyone remember the massive damage caused by over-medicating kids in the early 90's? Or the rise of the practice of popping pills into teens' mouths if they seem depressed constantly or younger kids if they're especially hyper? "Trust the science" and "Trust the doctor, they know better" really helped a lot there. Same with the opioid crisis.

Being circumspect is all I'm after. Prudence rather than blind faith. The latter is what makes anti-vax and uber-vax both intellectually deranged.

I trust the doctors I work with and know

Who would they be, these doctors who aren't the "quacks" I and others have mentioned? Also if you work in the vaccine development field then why not speak on your own expertise rather than just saying you trust your peers? Do you know the science or do you not?

as well as the other 98% of doctors

Majority vote means nothing so stop trying to flaunt that, especially when doctors can lose their jobs or even licenses if they don't toe the line in many aspects. You know this. Everyone knows this.
I even twice posted this video which incidentally proves this.

not the couple of quacks who are anti-vax

"Couple of quacks" is how you smear the names listed by me and other posters, chief of medicine and otherwise. Thankfully people can look back at both of our post history ITT and see what "quacks" you mention.
You just keep avoiding the issue and crossing your fingers at me while calling me anti-vax thinking I'll burst into flame.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

It's been shown to slow the spread pretty well. They just weren't sure that it would at first and you retards took that as "it doesn't work to stop the spread!"

They still say that when it's time to repeat "WEAR THE FUCKING DIAPER ON YOUR FACE BIGOT"

 

[Vulva Gape]

The country I was travelling to has endemic Yellow Fever.
YF's overall IFR is anywhere from 5-10%, with a CFR as high as 20-50%.
COVID's IFR is less than a quarter of a percent, plus I already had COVID and was asymptomatic.

YF vaccine has been around since the 50's. COVID jab came out last year.

That makes more sense. But you do know that your antibodies aren't as good as the vaccine ones, and repeated exposure to covid is dangerous - viral load and all that.

And tone has has been heavily fudged thanks to how useless the PCR tests are.

The conspiracy that doctors are deliberately increasing covid numbers doesn't hold up when you look at other countries such as Brazil or Iran that had no bad orange man to get out of office and had as bad waves go through the population with similar IFR/CFR. Unless you mean to say that the whole world is in on the scam? I'd reckon many countries are massively underreporting due to the lack of health infrastructure.

 

[Dude Snakes]

Probably don't gonna read a whole tread, but got vaccinated in January, felt fine, have antibodies. I have friends and relatives who survived covid, they said that it was a shitty experience, so I'm not regretting my decision. Covid is known as a bitch for long lasting shitty effects on health.
Dunno why some people make such a fuss of their non-vaxinated stance. Seems kinda childish.

Could it be that 100 times deathrate compared to a normal flu vaccine?

 

[EyelessMC]

Since I'm starting to realize people don't want to sit through 15+ min videos with legit info, I cut together the best vid for just 6min

COVID19 / mRNA Vaccines & Pharma Market Profit - What they are, When they began, Who's involved & How they are changing everything

Spoiler

Thanks to Covid19 not going the way of other SARS-CoV viruses and instead strangely lingering for longer,
and thanks to Operation Warp Speed's massive funding, and thanks to the literally unfathomable and unprecedented speed at which the vaccines were developed,
and thanks to the absence of any evidential study testing for long term effects like immune system damage or neurological damage--and of course thanks to the idea that the risks involved (risks which the FDA put J&J's vaccine on hold to investigate before re-approving it a week later) in the vaccines are so minuscule that you may as well ignore them, honest--

Thanks to all these elements and more, the entire pharmaceutical market is being geared towards vaccine development and production (and pricing) like never before and everyone investing is ready for the future of mRNA vaccine application to just about everything. Who's ready to have their future flu vaccines coupled with Covid vaccine, a two-in-one deal?

TL;DR No tl;dr watch the video it's only six minutes long you sped (edited from a Financial Times video)

 

[Kornula]

Every single human on the face of the earth living today has a less than 3% chance of getting Covid.
Every single human on the face of the earth living today has a .01% (that is One One Hundredth of One Percent) chance of dying from it.
These have been the same numbers from the CDC for the past year.

Tell me why y'all think this is a "pandemic" again?