Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Pinochet Was Right]

The conspiracy that doctors are deliberately increasing covid numbers doesn't hold up when you look at other countries such as Brazil or Iran that had no bad orange man to get out of office

You sure? Discredit Bolsonaro to make the plebs vote Lula back is the name of the game there.

 

[EyelessMC]

Tell me why y'all think this is a "pandemic" again?

Pandemic: prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world; epidemic over a large area
Sure it's not the Black Death but it is a pandemic by definition. Remember, that's why China and the WHO kept trying to say it wasn't a pandemic because China didn't want to get backlash for letting a pandemic get out on the world. Regardless of how deadly it is, it definitionally is a pandemic.

As for pushing the idea of necessarily vaccinating almost every single person, adult and child alike, with Covid / mRNA vaccines? That's what the 6min video is for.

 

[Dude Snakes]

Yes it is.

The death toll is too low. a true pandemic not only causes significant illnese but also mass death. The overall deathrate of 2020 worldwide wasn't any different from 2019, if this was a true pandemic there would be tens if not hundreds of millions dead by now but instead 3.2 million? I wonder how many of the deaths are missreported flu, other viruses, via false positive PCR test results? The MSM is hyping this thing up as airborne aids/ebola, its been through most of the world's population by now and for most people is a cold/flu or asymptomatic.

 

[Uncle Warren]

The death toll is too low. a true pandemic not only causes significant illnese but also mass death. The overall deathrate of 2020 worldwide wasm't any different from 2019, if this was a true pandemic there would be tens if not hundreds of millions dead by now but instead 3.2 million? I wonder who many of the deaths are missreported flu, other viruses, via false positive PCR test results? The MSM is hyping this thing up as airborne aids/ebola, its been through most of the world's popuilation by now and for most people is a cold/flu or asymptomatic.

You should possibly rethink that first sentence.

 

[Dude Snakes]

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

I think it is, I pray to God I am wrong but my faith in gov't/medicine over this outbreak has been destroyed. I see the loss of freedoms across my nation. People including my parents have been shitting themselves in fear over a virus that is now weak and can be cured via HCQ and other drugs big pharma banned so they can sell vaccines. I am alone in my family in who will under no circumstance take these so called vaccines. I am convinced the powers that be are using them to thin the herd. God save us all.

 

[AnOminous]

Every single human on the face of the earth living today has a less than 3% chance of getting Covid.
Every single human on the face of the earth living today has a .01% (that is One One Hundredth of One Percent) chance of dying from it.
These have been the same numbers from the CDC for the past year.

Tell me why y'all think this is a "pandemic" again?

Because it is what the fucking dictionary says is a pandemic. If it's always around at some level, it's endemic. If it's widespread but localized, it's an epidemic. If it is global, it is a pandemic. Learn English, motherfucker.

 

[A Gay Retard]

If it meant I could take my mask off without being required to carry papers I'd get it today. They still want me to double-mask even if I'm fully vaxed, though. I'll continue to let the rest of the country beta test it for me.

 

[AnOminous]

I think it is, I pray to God I am wrong but my faith in gov't/medicine over this outbreak has been destroyed. I see the loss of freedoms across my nation. People including my parents have been shitting themselves in fear over a virus that is now weak and can be cured via HCQ and other drugs big pharma banned so they can sell vaccines. I am alone in my family in who will under no circumstance take these so called vaccines. I am convinced the powers that be are using them to thin the herd. God save us all.

I'm sure some retard on the Internet knows more than the CDC and every health organization in the entire world, who uniformly describe it as what it is, a pandemic, by the dictionary definition and not some definition you just pulled out of your ass.

 

[NoFeline]

Was going to get a single dose for free but the area I was in at the time had distribution issues. "Your appointment has been rescheduled!" but with no word of when it would be rescheduled to? Well alrighty then.

Won't bother trying again if I have to pay for it because I am somewhat skeptical about the effectiveness of a vaccine against a virus for which the antibodies are known to not last...but eh, if its free it's not like I'm gonna get super-AIDS or something.

 

[Un Platano]

Was going to get a single dose for free but the area I was in at the time had distribution issues. "Your appointment has been rescheduled!" but with no word of when it would be rescheduled to? Well alrighty then.

Won't bother trying again if I have to pay for it because I am somewhat skeptical about the effectiveness of a vaccine against a virus for which the antibodies are known to not last...but eh, if its free it's not like I'm gonna get super-AIDS or something.

What places are charging for a covid vaccine? That sounds like a scam.

 

[Vecr]

Other countries? I'm not sure, but in the US it's free without insurance, and if you do have it they bill ~20 USD for the administration that they are required to cover.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I just read the article and it just gives the usual "trust the science" line after emphasizing the problem I mentioned of "everyone needs to be vaccinated or we'll never get back to normal!"
The article overall isn't about this subject, sadly. It's mostly about vaccinations in general and the fears parents have of their long term effects on their children. No one rational is saying vaccines are universally to be avoided so I'm there with the guy on that one, but further study and investigation into vaccines and their application at certain ages or other factors, especially new vaccines and stuff like the Covid experimental vaccines, or their correlation to certain problems (the autism argument in the article gave me a chuckle) is also rational. It's odd to me that people would encourage one or the other rather than both.

It's also retarded to just say "Hey, I guess they don't trust the science" when that's the argument companies and BigPharma has been using since their dawn. Anyone remember the massive damage caused by over-medicating kids in the early 90's? Or the rise of the practice of popping pills into teens' mouths if they seem depressed constantly or younger kids if they're especially hyper? "Trust the science" and "Trust the doctor, they know better" really helped a lot there. Same with the opioid crisis.

Being circumspect is all I'm after. Prudence rather than blind faith. The latter is what makes anti-vax and uber-vax both intellectually deranged.


Who would they be, these doctors who aren't the "quacks" I and others have mentioned? Also if you work in the vaccine development field then why not speak on your own expertise rather than just saying you trust your peers? Do you know the science or do you not?

Majority vote means nothing so stop trying to flaunt that, especially when doctors can lose their jobs or even licenses if they don't toe the line in many aspects. You know this. Everyone knows this.
I even twice posted this video which incidentally proves this.

"Couple of quacks" is how you smear the names listed by me and other posters, chief of medicine and otherwise. Thankfully people can look back at both of our post history ITT and see what "quacks" you mention.
You just keep avoiding the issue and crossing your fingers at me while calling me anti-vax thinking I'll burst into flame.

Ahh yes, you only believe the 2% of doctors that support your viewpoint. You hate science because you're a science-illiterate autistic who failed at science in school and now you believe you know more than them stupid scientists and doctors.

Using your logic, the earth must be flat, after all, 2% of scientists (probably) think it is. I guess the Earth is only 6,000 years old, after all, 2% of scientists (probably) believe that. I guess the sun revolves around the earth, after all, the vast majority of scientists are wrong according to you.

You're a retard who is trying to come off as smart in your anti-vax views, but in reality you're an imbecile who is the perfect example of Dunning-Kruger

I'm sure some retard on the Internet knows more than the CDC and every health organization in the entire world, who uniformly describe it as what it is, a pandemic, by the dictionary definition and not some definition you just pulled out of your ass.

Didn't you know? Retards on Kiwi Farms who barely passed their sped-school science class know more than the vast majority of doctors and scientists about a virus.

 

[EyelessMC]

Ahh yes, you only believe the 2% of doctors that support your viewpoint.

Before I begin, let me remind you that you said "Trust the science", but also you said you didn't know the science, which proved what I said about you following in blind faith. Then you said you trust the doctors you "work with", and I asked who your peers are (compared to the names I had provided) and for you to give your expertise in your field of work.

You did neither, and instead leap into more deflection and more pointless ad hominem that doesn't even attempt to be funny. Watch the video.

Using your logic, the earth must be flat, after all, 2% of scientists

lol Flat earth non sequitur? Now you're just short circuiting.

You're a retard who is trying to come off as smart in your anti-vax views

With how much you keep repeating "anti-vax" at me I'm forced to assume you're either trying to meme magic it into reality or you're hoping enough posters have such a short attention span that they'll just read what you wrote without looking at the post you quoted, or looking up the page or even just a page prior. Again, watch the video. I'd like to hear a cogent response to the subject instead of whatever you think you've been doing here.

Didn't you know? Retards on Kiwi Farms who barely passed their sped-school science class know more than the vast majority of doctors and scientists about a virus.

AnOminous was getting frustrated with a poster refusing to acknowledge the pandemic as a pandemic by its very definitional nature, not with science. Unless I missed earlier posts from him he's not in the same argument as you or me.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

That makes more sense. But you do know that your antibodies aren't as good as the vaccine ones, and repeated exposure to covid is dangerous - viral load and all that.

That's not true.
The antibodies are the same, give or take person-to-person. The whole point of the vaccine is to trick your body into thinking that you are infected with the real deal. COVID doesn't give you an immune response, the vaccine doesn't give you an immune response, your body gives you an immune response to deal with the perceived threat.

The argument for these vaccines (vs natural immunity) is that they cause your B-cells to produce antibodies longer, and near-constantly, as well as increasing the number of T-cells present to start deleting infected cells (supposedly).

How bad is it when I, the supposed "anti-vaxxer" know the pro-COVIDvax argument better than the people pushing it?

Every single human on the face of the earth living today has a less than 3% chance of getting Covid.
Every single human on the face of the earth living today has a .01% (that is One One Hundredth of One Percent) chance of dying from it.
These have been the same numbers from the CDC for the past year.

Tell me why y'all think this is a "pandemic" again?

No way do we have just a "3% chance" of catching COVID.
When you say blatantly incorrect shit it doesn't help anyone

With how much you keep repeating "anti-vax" at me

Yeah in case you missed it yesterday he was calling me an idiot for getting the Yellow Fever vaccine

 

[RussianParasite]

The MSM is hyping this thing up as airborne aids/ebola, its been through most of the world's population by now and for most people is a cold/flu or asymptomatic.

Lol, I love the MSM arguments. You seem to forget that other countries exist with their own news networks. Do they all, literally all of them, have the same hype-this-up for some reason goal? The world is way, way more complicated than THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS FOOLING EVERYONE!

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Lol, I love the MSM arguments. You seem to forget that other countries exist with their own news networks. Do they all, literally all of them, have the same hype-this-up for some reason goal? The world is way, way more complicated than THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS FOOLING EVERYONE!

A journoroach is a journoroach, no matter which country they lie in.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

Lol, I love the MSM arguments. You seem to forget that other countries exist with their own news networks. Do they all, literally all of them, have the same hype-this-up for some reason goal? The world is way, way more complicated than THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS FOOLING EVERYONE!

Bruh, this clearly is world wide conspiracy between politicians and big pharma to take people's freedom away and turn them into Zombies via expensive vaccines.

Just put on the tinfoil head and it will totes make sense.
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Seriously guys,

how come you can't trust any mainstream media, government or scientists but can totally trust all these strangers spreading their (conspiracy) theories on the internet?

 

[EyelessMC]

Lol, I love the MSM arguments. You seem to forget that other countries exist with their own news networks. Do they all, literally all of them, have the same hype-this-up for some reason goal?

Ratings matter, as does money. COVID is a concern and the first pandemic of its kind in recent generations so covering it and hyping it up is obvious. Understanding how mainstream media works doesn't make you a crazy person.

The world is way, way more complicated than THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS FOOLING EVERYONE!

Do you seriously think the mainstream media isn't intent on "fooling" people in countless ways? Are you serious?
But now you're trying to turn this into some kind of super conspiracy theorist Illuminati take when in reality the fundamental principal is all that's said about MSM: Mainstream media cannot be blindly trusted.

If acknowledging that makes you a tinfoil hat wearer then what does it take to be normal?

Bruh, this clearly is world wide conspiracy between politicians and big pharma to take people's freedom away and turn them into Zombies via expensive vaccines.

Did you suddenly go to "zombies" because the first half of that sentence seemed too plausible for you? It shouldn't. But why not respond to the posters who aren't fearing a global conspiracy, though? Why not take six minutes to watch the video I posted earlier which has Moderna CEO and Bill Gates and numerous experts discussing the market for the vaccine, etc. or look at any of the posts which aren't like those you're mocking here?

Why conflate concerned posters with people scared of the Illuminati turning this into the Walking Dead? Why can't we just have actual discussion and debate about the subject instead of people immediately going into parrot-mode mockery?

 

[SIGSEGV]

I got it in my left arm on Friday. The only negative effect was that the injection site felt sore for about 36 hours. If you don't get the vaccine, you're a pussy who can't cope with mild pain.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Seriously guys,

how come you can't trust any mainstream media, government or scientists but can totally trust all these strangers spreading their (conspiracy) theories on the internet?

Some of us do trust scientists, we just don't trust journoroaches or nanny state wannabe-dictators in government.
If you ran back through this thread and did a meta-count, I would easily be one of the top 4 posters, if not the top, who has posted the most links to peer-reviewed academic studies.

All journoshits have to do is just not report on studies that don't fit the narrative, or just report legitimate findings in a way that obscufcates it.

I got it in my left arm on Friday. The only negative effect was that the injection site felt sore for about 36 hours. If you don't get the vaccine, you're a pussy who can't cope with mild pain.

I got COVID and had almost no symptoms.
If you don't get the coronavirus, you're a pussy who can't cope with a mild virus.