Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[AnOminous]

I don't suppose one of you pro-experimental jab, pro-government-dick-in-your-ass, shills would care to explain this one to me?

He doesn't have a single actual symptom.

 

[TheShedCollector]

Already had both first and second shots.

 

[FEETLOAF]

He doesn't have a single actual symptom.

Neither do 99.99% of covid cases, but we still count them and panic about it.

 

[UnKillFill]

He doesn't have a single actual symptom.

@FEETLOAF articulated what I was trying to say better than I could have.

I will add though, if Maher was fully vaccinated, (and asymptomatic to boot) and the doubleplusgood media tells us that if you're vaccinated then you can't even spread the virus, then why bother keeping him off the air? That literally makes no sense. And only further proves other points I've made in this thread about how arbitrary all of this shit is.

 

[AnOminous]

@FEETLOAF articulated what I was trying to say better than I could have.

I will add though, if Maher was fully vaccinated, (and asymptomatic to boot) and the doubleplusgood media tells us that if you're vaccinated then you can't even spread the virus, then why bother keeping him off the air? That literally makes no sense. And only further proves other points I've made in this thread about how arbitrary all of this shit is.

If he is testing positive, he might infect other people, and people who aren't sociopathic assholes actually care about whether or not they do that. Maybe he can't infect other people. But he doesn't know, and he cares whether or not he does, so he slightly inconveniences himself for the benefit of others.

I know this is an alien concept for some people, but that's probably what he's thinking.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Penicillium-resistant bacteria exist because we didn't use enough Penicillin, apparently.

You think that vaccines cause resistance? You are comparing antibiotics to vaccines? And yet you claim to be a biologist?

So let me get this straight... Bill Maher, a covid-denying anti-vaxer if there ever was one >.> Of course I'm just kidding, I know Bill Maher is a full social justard piece of shit who literally said that he wanted the economy to collapse because it would make Drumphler look bad, who also happens to have been *fully vaccinated*, all of that only serves to make this shit even funnier had to skip his first show in decades because he somehow *still* caught the coof.

I don't suppose one of you pro-experimental jab, pro-government-dick-in-your-ass, shills would care to explain this one to me?
I know it was apparently supposed to be *my* fault for not getting said experimental jab when in like a year from now, you vaccinated people and your herd mentality immunity "unexpectedly" still caught covid, but this shit is just ridiculous. If a supposed vaccine can't even keep the vaccinated protected for a couple of months, it clearly was never a vaccine worth taking in the first place, and you were all dumb as hell for falling for it.
I guess I was right all along.

I can't wait to see how the goal posts are moved yet again once everybody realizes how much they were lied to.
I *say* that, but I bet it somehow leads to more asinine lockdowns for what is and always has been a slightly more transmissible than normal flu, with a higher than 99% survival rate for otherwise healthy people.

Bill Maher is an anti-vaxer, you retard.

Also, no vaccine is 100% effective. Covid vaccines range from 70-95% effective, which means there will be a decent amount who take the vaccine who still get it. I know math is hard for you anti-vax tards, but 100% is different than 70-95%. And even if you do get it after getting the vaccine, your chances of a severe case are way, way, way lower

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

You think that vaccines cause resistance? You are comparing antibiotics to vaccines? And yet you claim to be a biologist?

I'm comparing evolutionary pressure to evolutionary pressure.

Also no, the vaccines don't cause resistance, the resistance is already out there somewhere. The overapplication of a given evolutionary pressure simply allows to resistant trait to dominate the population.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm comparing evolutionary pressure to evolutionary pressure.

Also no, the vaccines don't cause resistance, the resistance is already out there somewhere. The overapplication of a given evolutionary pressure simply allows to resistant trait to dominate the population.

Then you should realize how stupid your comparison was.

We don't know if the resistance is out there. Even if it is, the more people get vaccinated, the less likely another resistant strain coming into existence would happen. The more the population is vaccinated, the less the virus will spread, which means the less chance of it evolving. Also, people who are vaccinated who do get covid get a far less severe case of it.

 

[CrystalChevvy]

Already started my 5G upgrade. Slight arm pain, otherwise no problems at all. People whining about the jab are fucking weak. WEAK I TELL YOU.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Then you should realize how stupid your comparison was.

We don't know if the resistance is out there. Even if it is, the more people get vaccinated, the less likely another resistant strain coming into existence would happen. The more the population is vaccinated, the less the virus will spread, which means the less chance of it evolving. Also, people who are vaccinated who do get covid get a far less severe case of it.

Yes that's how evolution works, very accurate.
The more exposed a population is to pressure, the less adapted they become to that pressure, according to HHH anyway.

 

[sperginity]

You think that vaccines cause resistance? You are comparing antibiotics to vaccines? And yet you claim to be a biologist?

I don't think you understand what a vaccine is. It is anything that is given to induce an immune response intended to prevent an infection of a specific organism. The first vaccine was a disease. It was cowpox (the "vac" in "vaccine" has the same root as the latin word for cow), and contracting cowpox prevented small pox because the diseases were similar enough for immunity against one to be used against the other. Cowpox was not lethal like smallpox, so people purposely infected themselves with cowpox until they got the tell tale cowpox pustules on their skin. It is as foolish to compare purposely contracting cowpox to the MMR vaccine as it is to compare the mRNA vaccines to traditional vaccines like MMR. MMR has a long history and a lot of safety testing behind it, and so do all other traditional vaccines that are given in the course of childhood and in preparation for travel. mRNA is completely new. anyone claiming to know the long term safety or efficacy of it is full of shit.

The problem here is that covid variants were already emerging when covid vaccines were produced to address the original strain, so yes, if a vaccine targets one existing strain it will give an advantage to the other variants that are already out there. Another problem is that we only have naturally evolving viruses to compare to our efforts to eradicate them. A lab created virus isn't going to necessarily behave the same way when vaccine efforts force it to evolve, no one knows what will happen. But hey don't take my word for it, here are two biologists saying the exact same fucking thing:

if you want the long discussion I will link it next. Bret Weinstein is extremely careful to walk you through everything as a lay person. He makes no claims about geert being correct or incorrect, only that he is making sense and should be heard out since it is logical and draws on well established biological principles wrt immunity. Geert points out many problems that could potentially be caused by this new type of vaccine being given in the way that it is right now (meaning to large swaths of the population, even those with very little risk), including a possibility of neutralizing natural immunity against future variants. Weinstein didn't rule out the lab leak hypothesis at the beginning of the pandemic and saw the censorship that can take place if you say something politically unpopular as a scientist (this week science mag has published an op ed by many prominent scientists saying that lab leak is plausible, so its now mainstream and the year+ we all wasted discounting the hypothesis can finally end). Youtube hasn't taken this down, but facebook has taken action against this podcast episode. Watch it while you still can.

interestingly, after these podcasts the salk institute (named after the inventor of the polio vaccine) found that the spike protein itself damages tissues in human beings. If this is true then a traditional vaccine will never be possible with covid, which is crushing. I would have taken a traditional vaccine if it had been available. traditional vaccines rely on the immunoresponsive part of the pathogen being different than the parts that cause damage to cells, so that the non-damaging parts can be put in a vaccine and the body will still develop immunity. that's how it normally works with human pathogens. But not covid. The salk institute edited their website, without acknowledging the edit, to try and make this study look like it is not applicable to the spike proteins from vaccines, though there is no real proof of what they are saying. They explain that the current vaccines are engineered with an intention to prevent their travel too far in the body, but there isn't any good data on if this works in practice or not, or how often it doesn't work in practice, or why. There are some rare side effects that are explained well by this new information, like heart attacks and heart inflammation in people under 30, persistent nosebleeds, rare types of blood clotting disorders, etc. The spike proteins getting into tissues that they aren't intended for, like the heart, would make a lot of sense out of what was not well understood previously. There may be hope in the future for making it harder for the vaccine to cause these problems.

This vaccine for this disease is not a simple decision, and the long term implications are totally unknown. Everything we know about public health in the face of pathogens is based on organisms that evolved naturally. A man made pathogen, especially one made in a gain of function lab, is going to be a very strange disease. I hope that it ultimately makes it easier to defeat (like when we learned that covid does not transmit easily outdoors), but I am not optimistic. I respect whatever decision a person makes about the risk vs reward of taking this vaccine for themselves and their specific health circumstances, but it is not clear that anyone can determine the public health implications of covid vaccines at this time. It should not be compared to the herd immunity implications of childhood vaccines. Part of why I am saying this is because if you link the two together, and the covid vaccine turns out to be neutral or negative in terms of public health, you've made many people quit trusting childhood vaccines. Don't do that. Polio coming back is the last thing anyone needs.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Yes that's how evolution works, very accurate.
The more exposed a population is to pressure, the less adapted they become to that pressure, according to HHH anyway.

Lol that's not what I said. But the more something is around, the more likely a mutation can occur. They should've taught you that in your google biology education

 

[AnOminous]

A lab created virus

Oh, you're one of those.

 

[EyelessMC]

Oh, you're one of those.

https://archive.is/KMecB https://archive.is/MHFb3 https://archive.is/rksIA

Yeah no, you fucking shill. [...] Your name implies that you're eyeless, I suppose that excuses you for being blind. You're still a fucking moron though.

Dude actually bother reading the post you're replying to, let alone the thread you're posting in. I'm definitely not a shill.

 

[FEETLOAF]

If he is testing positive, he might infect other people, and people who aren't sociopathic assholes actually care about whether or not they do that.

You are not a sociopathic asshole for not caring if you spread the common cold. It amazes me how drastically ethics around basic behavior have been shifted by the narrative-building during this pandemic. I lived decades of my life sniffling and coofing, nobody ever called me a mass murderer for it. It's so bizarre.

Maybe he can't infect other people

Even if he does infect people, they will also be mostly asymptomatic and maybe pass it on to someone else or maybe not, and never know they even had it. Or they'll be like me, and have the squirts and a mildly itchy throat for a weekend. You know, like 99.99% of corona cases?

Lol that's not what I said. But the more something is around, the more likely a mutation can occur. They should've taught you that in your google biology education

Corona is around forever. The value for "how long is corona around?" is infinite. You cannot change this variable. It is a constant.
Mutations are going to happen. There is no if.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

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Remember when this woman (Li-Meng Yan) was universally censored by all Western media megacorporations? Remember how she had her scientific journals and videos deleted off the face of the earth, had all her social media accounts shut down? And was forced into silence for her allegations that the Communist Party of China were after her, because she claimed to be a whistleblower for a cover up?

I 'member.

Chinese virologist claims COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab; offers scientific proof

A Chinese virologist has claimed in a video interview that she has scientific proof that the novel coronavirus was made in a Wuhan laboratory. Dr. Li-Meng Yan is a Chinese scientist had been researching on the novel coronavirus since last year. She was working at the Hong Kong School of Public...

www.wionews.com

She was so heavily censored that you can barely find any proof that this woman even existed unless you dig for it, much less her research. And many of the remaining actual news videos talking about her aren't even in English.

 

[EyelessMC]

especially one made in a gain of function lab

This is a great post but just for clarity's sake I'll post something about the subject of "gain of function" research regarding this issue which is interesting and directly relates back to my previous post about the lab theory

Remember when this woman (Li-Meng Yan) [...] I 'member.

The Tucker Carlson interview is still up on Youtube I think, but because it's FOX some posters here might break out in hives just thinking about watching it. There was also a rumor that the CCP arrested her mother.
Point is, she's not alone in proposing the "created in a lab" theory. She's the only one saying the CCP proliferated it purposefully, but with regards to the "created in a lab" subject she is by far not remotely alone. She's not some crackpot slapping a keyboard somewhere.

Even if there weren't international calls for deeper investigation from reputable institutions and scientists (which there are), the censorship and almost memory-holing of her says a lot.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Remember when this woman (Li-Meng Yan) was universally censored by all Western media megacorporations? Remember how she had her scientific journals and videos deleted off the face of the earth, had all her social media accounts shut down? And was forced into silence for her allegations that the Communist Party of China were after her, because she claimed to be a whistleblower for a cover up?

I 'member.

Chinese virologist claims COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab; offers scientific proof

A Chinese virologist has claimed in a video interview that she has scientific proof that the novel coronavirus was made in a Wuhan laboratory. Dr. Li-Meng Yan is a Chinese scientist had been researching on the novel coronavirus since last year. She was working at the Hong Kong School of Public...

www.wionews.com

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She was so heavily censored that you can barely find any proof that this woman even existed unless you dig for it, much less her research. And many of the remaining actual news videos talking about her aren't even in English.

Yeah, they didn't report the "study" because she offered no proof other than fabricated data and "published" her research in a non peer-reviewed journal where you pay to get your stuff published.

Corona is around forever. The value for "how long is corona around?" is infinite. You cannot change this variable. It is a constant.
Mutations are going to happen. There is no if.

Funny how vaccines seemed to work for polio and smallpox. Yet it may not work for covid because retards like you are gigantic pussies that are afraid of vaccines and masks.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Funny how vaccines seemed to work for polio and smallpox. Yet it may not work for covid because retards like you are gigantic pussies that are afraid of vaccines and masks.

Yes. Not everyone is going to get vaccinated. Just like not everyone was gonna social distance or wear a mask. It's not the 1790s and this isn't smallpox, the circumstances for mass obedience simply aren't there. People aren't losing their children left and right to coronavirus. Most people have not seen with their own eyes any evidence that it even exists. No one cares about shit that doesn't effect them. That's just how people work. No one cares, and worse, no one trusts the media forces saying to get vaxxed. There are consequences to being untrustworthy. That's the reality you have no choice but to accept, because it's happening. So use your thinky brain and bear out the material realities that will happen in this case. No amount of whining about reality will change it.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

The Tucker Carlson interview is still up on Youtube I think, but because it's FOX some posters here might break out in hives just thinking about watching it. There was also a rumor that the CCP arrested her mother.
Point is, she's not alone in proposing the "created in a lab" theory. She's the only one saying the CCP proliferated it purposefully, but with regards to the "created in a lab" subject she is by far not remotely alone. She's not some crackpot slapping a keyboard somewhere.

Even if there weren't international calls for deeper investigation from reputable institutions and scientists (which there are), the censorship and almost memory-holing of her says a lot.

Most major American news wouldn't even touch her, would not even mention her by name. There's an interview with an Indian news network where she said that the CCP arrested her mother (the CCP policy is to arrest your entire family and torture them if you escape China and talk bad about the CCP, traditional azn dictatorship method to keep people in line). She also said that scientists refused to even review her work at all. Can't get peer-reviewed if your peers just cover their eyes and ears. Also, keep in mind that she, keyword, escaped China, and had a lot of never-made-public, unreleased research that she intended to infodump to the world.

I completely believe that everything she's saying is fake and made up, the proof is obviously the fact that US companies unified their forces to censor her while other scientists pretended her work didn't exist.
Ignoring something is how you disprove it.