Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Vince McMahon]

Off the top of my head, I don't have a link, but I remember it being something like 1000-fold more likely to be hospitalized or have long-term effects from covid than from the vaccine.

Would it be possible for you to find that link? That would be greatly appreciated.

It's been over a year and there hasn't been any long term issues yet, it's fine.

But hasn't the vaccination campaign started only in December (if you're referring to the US and I assume you are). It hasn't been over a year yet. And during that time, as far as I read, some side effects were discovered. Do you think it's logical to consider one year as a threshold for long-term potential health issues from injecting the vaccine?

But to use your own question on you... don't you worry that covid itself could have long term issues that haven't popped up that the vaccine could prevent?

Maybe but I'm dismayed at the messaging governments and associated experts issue. The messaging is confusing and often very rude. We are told to unquestioningly obey the government and for a short-time crisis, it is fine. But once things drag on, then it's inevitable that more questions will arise. I don't consider those questions sufficiently answered. I can see that propaganda campaigns are being conducted to question the efficacy of these solutions but that's the thing, if officials were more lucid, this propaganda wouldn't have any soil to grow in the target audience. When I hear about those scary reactions, then I hear that governments are considering restrictions on citizens' rights if they don't take these solutions, I get worried.

And then there's the whole societal reason for vaccination: for herd immunity and to help prevent new, potentially more deadly strains from mutating

But if SARS-COV-2 is of the same family as viruses (some of them) that cause the common cold (which we are unable to eradicate), is it even possible to even achieve herd immunity? This is not a facetious question.

I appreciate your civility and I hope we get to continue the conversation in a similar fashion, without assuming anything malicious about one another.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Would it be possible for you to find that link? That would be greatly appreciated.

I can't at the moment, I am short for time (about to head out for the day, I need to stop procrastinating). If I do, will it just be wasting my time? I tried a quick search and couldn't find it because google is lame and instead sent me totally different results and I don't want to spend the effort if it'll be in vain

But hasn't the vaccination campaign started only in December (if you're referring to the US and I assume you are). It hasn't been over a year yet. And during that time, as far as I read, some side effects were discovered. Do you think it's logical to consider one year as a threshold for long-term potential health issues from injecting the vaccine?

The trials started over a year ago with tens of thousands of volunteers. The side effects that were found were still very rare and way less severe and common than the same effects from covid itself.

Maybe but I'm dismayed at the messaging governments and associated experts issue. The messaging is confusing and often very rude. We are told to unquestioningly obey the government and for a short-time crisis, it is fine. But once things drag on, then it's inevitable that more questions will arise. I don't consider those questions sufficiently answered. I can see that propaganda campaigns are being conducted to question the efficacy of these solutions but that's the thing, if officials were more lucid, this propaganda wouldn't have any soil to grow in the target audience. When I hear about those scary reactions, then I hear that governments are considering restrictions on citizens' rights if they don't take these solutions, I get worried.

That still didn't answer my question, though. Aren't you worried about potential long-term effects from covid19, and if not, why from the vaccine but not from the virus itself which has been shown to potentially damage organs?

But if SARS-COV-2 is of the same family as viruses (some of them) that cause the common cold (which we are unable to eradicate), is it even possible to even achieve herd immunity? This is not a facetious question.

Yes. They're both coronaviruses (well, the common cold is a whole bunch of different viruses, some of which are coronaviruses), but covid-19 is a specific coronavirus.

I appreciate your civility and I hope we get to continue the conversation in a similar fashion, without assuming anything malicious about one another.

Yeah, it's amazing how civil we've been

EDIT: This one mentions that the likelihood of severe illness from covid is far worse than the vaccine: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-natural-immunity.html
Here's another: https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem....eatured-topic/covid-19-vaccine-myths-debunked
Here's some stats for severe adverse reactions: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Anaphylaxis: 2-5 people per million vaccinated.
TTS: 38 out of 12.8 million
GBS: 100 out of 12.8 million, most recovered (doesn't give #s)
Myocarditis: 1047 reported, 633 confirmed out of 334 million doses
Deaths: VAERS (which is not a reliable indicator of total, so the number is far, far, far lower) reported 6079 out of 334 million doses. VAERS is anything that happens to someone after a vaccine, so even dying in a car accident a week after a vaccine would count as a vaccine death in VAERS. They error on the side of "report everything" for obvious reasons.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Since I'm going to stay in Nipponland for a while I had to get Moderna today. At first I felt nothing. Then my arm started to hurt and now I feel sick. Not totally sick like I can't move but I'm tired, my muscles are weak and I just want to lay in bed. I also feel slightly nauseous.

Fuck the chinks. I wish these garbage-eating monsters would all die.

 

[MasonicTelevision]

Is there a vaccsneed available?

 

[Dean Pentel]

Judging by the lack of outrage within the medical field, most scientists apparently also think it’s a good idea to feed confused autists and children hormones and then lop off their penises as soon as possible.

It's a wonderful idea, it should be treated as such, and I wish it was taxpayer funded.

Since I'm going to stay in Nipponland for a while I had to get Moderna today. At first I felt nothing. Then my arm started to hurt and now I feel sick. Not totally sick like I can't move but I'm tired, my muscles are weak and I just want to lay in bed. I also feel slightly nauseous.

Fuck the chinks. I wish these garbage-eating monsters would all die.

Do you have to be vaccinated in order to stay?

 

[Spamton]

I don't really get why people are skeptical about something that'll keep you from dying from covid. sure, i don't really look at the specifics of what's in the vaccine but if it keeps me from getting ill i'm fine with it, and i've had no problems since i got the vaccine.
and i equally don't understand people that are so against wearing masks when i prefer wearing them outdoors to begin with. This pandemic just made me feel less weird about doing that.
That being said, i'm more worried about anti-vaxxers bringing covid home from god knows where and getting kids that don't have access to the vaccine or can't take it due to age or something horribly ill.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Fox News makes bank telling gullible retards the shot is evil while using a vaccine passport themselves.

 

[builtforcwc]

I don't really get why people are skeptical about something that'll keep you from dying from covid. sure, i don't really look at the specifics of what's in the vaccine but if it keeps me from getting ill i'm fine with it, and i've had no problems since i got the vaccine.
and i equally don't understand people that are so against wearing masks when i prefer wearing them outdoors to begin with. This pandemic just made me feel less weird about doing that.
That being said, i'm more worried about anti-vaxxers bringing covid home from god knows where and getting kids that don't have access to the vaccine or can't take it due to age or something horribly ill.

I think it's honestly a manifestation of the stir-crazyness induced by prolonged isolation in quarantine the past year, along with skepticism towards the election, and major news outlets feeding on doomerism for easy clicks.

I've said it before but if Trump had won, and if there wasn't so much news about societal issues/impending economic collapse/riots etc, people probably wouldn't be as hesitant to get vaccinated. There's this pervading, irrational fear that world governments are specifically trying to kill their own citizens that you see coagulate in spaces like this on the net, where people can schizopost and doompost without censorship. I've crunched the numbers based on current vaxx statistics and even if I was being really generous with VAERS and speculated side effects, (like that "CDC whistleblower says 50k people in the USA have died of vaccines" bogus figure) the chance of someone getting a serious adverse reaction is around .0025-.003%. Far less than COVID I believe.

I'm fine with people making a decision either way. But don't let Alex Jones and deranged schizos on the Internet make major life decisions for you, that's stupid. Get it if you want/have to or don't if you don't, simple as.

 

[Pissmaster]

I don't really get why people are skeptical about something that'll keep you from dying from covid.

The media spent years discrediting themselves to just about every single person who isn't fully left wing with endless race baiting and trying to spin Trump as the next Hitler with shit as stupid as panicking over how many scoops of ice cream he gets

Then you've got health officials that couldn't be consistent on the masks - the idea of everyone wearing N95s was floated around, then dropped, then all you need is just literally any facial covering (even like, bandannas), then maybe we should wear two masks, then you don't need a mask if you've already been vaccinated but we're all going by the honor system, and now oh no people are catching variants of COVID even if they've been fully vaccinated

On top of all that, you've got endless clown world where you have total psychopaths coming out of the woodwork to destroy anyone that has even the slightest nice thing to say about Trump; thinks trannies aren't special; ever said "faggot", even just once over a decade ago when they were 12; or ever had a single woman come out and say they were uncouth towards them in some form without evidence, who believe they should have their entire lives irreversibly destroyed. Those same people are the ones pushing for everyone to get vaccinated harder than anyone.

So, the very same people who hate every fiber of my being, want me utterly obliterated, and have made that fact crystal clear over the past several years, now want me to take several shady injections, and have been employing the very same bullying tactics they've used for years now to try and pressure me into getting it.

So am I getting vaccinated?

Of course. I'm also going to give all of my stuff to whichever transgender kweens cross my path, move into a shipping container, eat insects, never own a firearm, buy tickets to every Disney™ movie to support progressive ideals, buy every single Funko Pop™, share my wife with the Black Youf Groops of my city, get impotently mad at the police to where I punch holes in the wall any time I hear Message in a Bottle because All Cops Are Bastards™, aggressively edit Wikipedia™ articles to Correct the Record™ and ensure I'll be on the Right Side of History™, continue to whine over Hillary Clinton losing 2016 because It Was Her Turn™, continue to whine about Trump because Trump is a Facist™ even though he isn't the president anymore, and vote for whomever the loudest people in the room screech in favor of. I'm a good Ally to the Cause™, I Believe All Women™, and I Shut Up and Listen™, because Underprivileged Voices Need to be Heard™, and I am always trying to make up for my white Male Privilege™, because Black Lives Matter™.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Bad news:

While I feel better, today I woke up with an itchy red scalp and my bed full of dandruff. I guess the vaccine fucked up my immune system because I had the same reaction after taking antibiotics. I washed my scalp with Ketozolin. Idk if it worked. Luckily tomorrow I'm going to see a dermatologist.

Right now I reget taking this shit. I strongly reccomend to wait until we fully know what this horrible crap actually does to your body. Only then you can make an informed decision.

Update: Thank god it worked. After like an hour the itching and flaking stopped. I'm still going to use Ketozolin for a few days and ask the dermatologist about what happened.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I appreciate the info you have provided. I don't think what you have provided was in vain.

The trials started over a year ago with tens of thousands of volunteers. The side effects that were found were still very rare and way less severe and common than the same effects from covid itself.

Thousands? Haven't all of the current mRNA solutions only recently started their phase III trials? And as I understand it, if we talk about thousands, it happens only at Phase III, am I incorrect?

Aren't you worried about potential long-term effects from covid19, and if not, why from the vaccine but not from the virus itself which has been shown to potentially damage organs?

While I have answered this, I will try to rephrase it for better understanding.
I have several reasons to be more worried about the vaccine than the disease. The most important one is that (probably by the virtue of the culture I grew up in) the messaging emanating from politicians and experts, aligned with the government, was so weird and so erratic, that I instantly assumed that it has to be something negative they're pushing. It's really hard to explain unless you actually grew up in this culture. Another is that I've spent a sizeable chunk of my life in hospitals for various problems and situations (once I was misdiagnosed with TB, gave my mum quite a scare) and I sincerely hate hospitals and doctors. They create a feeling of existential dread whenever I visit a hospital and it doesn't matter, whether it's a Soviet-looking hospital or a modern one.
And the last one ties into the second one: I'm tired of hospitals and I'm tired of being afraid for my life and all this doom and gloom that keeps on going just made me so disabused of the notion of being afraid of diseases. Maybe not the best thing in the long run and I'm pretty sure my self-preservation instinct is still there but still.

I hope I provided you with enough perspective for my point of view.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Thousands? Haven't all of the current mRNA solutions only recently started their phase III trials? And as I understand it, if we talk about thousands, it happens only at Phase III, am I incorrect?

Pfizer has concluded phase 3 trials. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ntech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

The Phase 3 clinical trial of BNT162b2 began on July 27 and has enrolled 43,661 participants to date, 41,135 of whom have received a second dose of the vaccine candidate as of November 13, 2020. Approximately 42% of global participants and 30% of U.S. participants have racially and ethnically diverse backgrounds, and 41% of global and 45% of U.S. participants are 56-85 years of age. A breakdown of the diversity of clinical trial participants can be found here from approximately 150 clinical trials sites in United States, Germany, Turkey, South Africa, Brazil and Argentina. The trial will continue to collect efficacy and safety data in participants for an additional two years.

(jesus does that site suck for copy and pasting from)

While I have answered this, I will try to rephrase it for better understanding.
I have several reasons to be more worried about the vaccine than the disease. The most important one is that (probably by the virtue of the culture I grew up in) the messaging emanating from politicians and experts, aligned with the government, was so weird and so erratic, that I instantly assumed that it has to be something negative they're pushing. It's really hard to explain unless you actually grew up in this culture. Another is that I've spent a sizeable chunk of my life in hospitals for various problems and situations (once I was misdiagnosed with TB, gave my mum quite a scare) and I sincerely hate hospitals and doctors. They create a feeling of existential dread whenever I visit a hospital and it doesn't matter, whether it's a Soviet-looking hospital or a modern one.
And the last one ties into the second one: I'm tired of hospitals and I'm tired of being afraid for my life and all this doom and gloom that keeps on going just made me so disabused of the notion of being afraid of diseases. Maybe not the best thing in the long run and I'm pretty sure my self-preservation instinct is still there but still.

I hope I provided you with enough perspective for my point of view.

That's fair, but no one really likes being in hospitals. The odds of an adverse reaction to the vaccine that would require hospitalization are ridiculously low and way lower than from covid itself.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Russia has been behind a lot of the anti-vax propaganda in the west in an effort to seed distrust in officials and weaken the west. Don't you worry that the things you've been told, including maybe even from people on Kiwi Farms, are lies propagated by Russia?

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

Just wanted to share:

Got the 2nd dose of Pfizer back in May and had a really shitty set of side effects for about a week. Since I've been really sick off and on with doctors unable to find the cause/reason. Its now looking like autoimmune disorder and I have to go see a specialist. I never had anything like that prior, but the stuff that has kicked up since getting it has been pretty weird.

 

[Pissmaster]

Don't you worry that the things you've been told, including maybe even from people on Kiwi Farms, are lies propagated by RUSSIA?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Don't you worry that the things you've been told, including maybe even from people on Kiwi Farms, are lies propagated by Russia?

Russia isn't having the best year, especially in the realm of vaccination. If they're propagating these statements, then they're only making things worse for Putin at home.

I don't go to Kiwi Farms for my medical advice. However, all propaganda has to have a kernel of truth for it to work effectively. If the things that are being told about the global vaccination campaign are lies, then they are very successfully crafted lies and they exploit lackluster communication between the official government and its' population.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Russia isn't having the best year, especially in the realm of vaccination. If they're propagating these statements, then they're only making things worse for Putin at home.

I don't go to Kiwi Farms for my medical advice. However, all propaganda has to have a kernel of truth for it to work effectively. If the things that are being told about the global vaccination campaign are lies, then they are very successfully crafted lies and they exploit lackluster communication between the official government and its' population.

Isn't Russia using their own vaccine that wasn't even tested or anything? That is probably why they're doing it, to try and make the west as fucked as they are when it comes to covid

 

[Vince McMahon]

Isn't Russia using their own vaccine that wasn't even tested or anything? That is probably why they're doing it, to try and make the west as fucked as they are when it comes to covid

Supposedly, it was tested and supposedly it also completed Phase III trials (don't quote me on it though). If they do it, then they create problems for themselves, because Putin (and his apparatus) keeps issuing orders like "vaccinate all public servants" and these orders are successfully failed.

Of course it is possible that these are lies propagated by Russian agitprop. However, they're shooting themselves in the foot with it then.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Supposedly, it was tested and supposedly it also completed Phase III trials (don't quote me on it though). If they do it, then they create problems for themselves, because Putin (and his apparatus) keeps issuing orders like "vaccinate all public servants" and these orders are successfully failed.

Of course it is possible that these are lies propagated by Russian agitprop. However, they're shooting themselves in the foot with it then.

I thought they didn't finish trials before approving it? Like they announced trials then a few weeks later said it was approved

 

[RumblyTumbly]

You know? One of the things keeping me from getting the vaccine are the government officials and Twitter blue hairs telling me to get it.

I mean, I hate them and I don't trust them and have been that way for years, so why the fuck should I listen to them?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

You know? One of the things keeping me from getting the vaccine are the government officials and Twitter blue hairs telling me to get it.

I mean, I hate them and I don't trust them and have for years, so why the fuck should I listen to them?

I love all the people telling me to chose between living in a society or just letting evolution do its thing, then getting mad when I pick evolution.

Supposedly, it was tested and supposedly it also completed Phase III trials (don't quote me on it though). If they do it, then they create problems for themselves, because Putin (and his apparatus) keeps issuing orders like "vaccinate all public servants" and these orders are successfully failed.

Of course it is possible that these are lies propagated by Russian agitprop. However, they're shooting themselves in the foot with it then.

TBF I don't think "Russia and China are doing it, so we should too!" is a good idea for anything besides weapons development.
(which even then isn't really a "good" idea as much as "the least bad idea")