Opinion As a mother, of course I’d be happy for a trans employee to fit my daughter’s first bra - As Marks & Spencer apologises after a trans employee offers to help a 14-year-old girl and her mother in the bra department, Victoria Richards says there’s only one person that has been let down here – and it’s not the customer

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/m-s-trans-employee-teenager-bra-fitting-rowling-b2802822.html
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I remember going to get measured for my first bra in the 1990s. It was in Marks and Spencer, of course, the retailer has had a firm hold on that particular market for decades, and I absolutely cringed with embarrassment.
Honestly, I nearly died. I crossed my arms over my chest and huffed self-consciously; I counted down the minutes until it was over and acted every inch the recalcitrant teenager who hated both the experience and everyone around me, including my mum.

Fast forward 30 years, and when I recently took my daughter for her first bra fitting, I was peculiarly gratified to see that she acted pretty much the same way I did. Teenagers may have smartphones and TikTok and all the tech and street smarts we didn’t, but some things really do never change.
The one thing that has changed, on the whole, is Gen Alpha’s greater understanding and empathy towards those around them. And so much the better.

Half of my daughter’s friends school the adults around them in the right pronouns to use for their peers. “They/them” is second nature to most of these kids. Us dinosaur millennials and Gen X-ers, meanwhile, should stand happily corrected (and make an effort to get it right when we slip up).

Which is why, when I read the story about M&S – the same M&S who boast about being “Your M&S,” which presumably includes their own employees – reportedlyapologising for “distress” over a trans member of staff asking a teenage customer if she needed any help in its bra section, I only had one question: what on earth were they apologising for?
The mother of the teenager in question, who complained to the store, said the retail assistant was “polite”, but that her daughter felt “uncomfortable” with the experience. M&S told her: “We deeply regret the distress your daughter felt during her visit to our store,” and that “We understand how important this milestone is for her, and we are truly sorry that it did not go as you had hoped.”

To which all I have to say is: show me a teenager who doesn’t feel uncomfortable in the lingerie section of Marks & Spencer, and I’ll show you a miracle. Of course, there’s more going on here – a lot more.

The mother apparently blamed the reason for her daughter’s discomfort on the fact that the staff member seemed to be “a biological male” – at 6ft 2in, it was “obvious”, she is reported to have said. To that claim, I will now quote my friend and colleague Kat Brown, who wrote after the Supreme Court ruled on the legal definition of a woman in April: “This ruling also means that any woman who doesn’t resemble some mythical feminine ideal also risks being challenged in loos and changing rooms” – and indeed, this has already happened to Kat, who stands at a statuesque 6ft 1in.
We don’t know whether the staff member who reached out to offer assistance to this 14-year-old child was trans, and it doesn’t even appear that they were offering to fit bras for her. But even if she were trans, she was just doing her job, and doing it well, by all accounts. Doesn’t every one of us deserve to be able to do that without discrimination or prejudice, let alone an apology from our employer related to us simply existing?

Had the person offering to help my 13-year-old daughter in the M&S undies department been trans, I would have had no problem with it – and crucially, neither would she. How do I know? I asked her.

My daughter’s exact response (with the inevitable bit of exasperated sighing) to being helped, or even fitted, was: “I’d hate anyone measuring me, Mummy. Why would it make any difference if they were trans?”

When I explained the nuances of this particular situation, she added a cutting: “Why is this a story?”

I understand those defending personal choice. In an ideal world, nobody would feel uncomfortable – especially children. But isn’t it our job, as parents (and members of society at large) to unpick this discomfort and name it for what it really is: prejudice. And to teach our children, just as we teach them to treat others equally, to be kind through our example.

What would you say if you heard, for example, that a person of colour working in M&S had approached a teenage customer and politely offered assistance, only for the teenager to feel uncomfortable, the parent to be outraged and complain about their “distress” – and the store to write an apology?

In 2025, trans people are under fire like never before. The most recent data from the Home Office shows that offences motivated by hostility or prejudice against transgender people or people perceived to be transgender have risen; at the same time that trans people have effectively been banned from using public spaces, including toilets, thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex.
There’s only one person that M&S has let down here – and it’s not a customer. It’s their employee.


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I am a Press Association-trained freelance journalist, and have worked for a variety of national UK newspapers including The Independent and Independent on Sunday, the Financial Times, the Sunday Times, the Daily Express, the Sun, the Sunday Mirror, the People, London’s Evening Standard and the Daily Star. I have held both senior news reporting and features writing positions, and spend my time most regularly reporting for the Independent on Sunday and Express Newspapers Ltd (Daily Star/Daily Express). I have an extensive portfolio of work available on my website, www.victoriarichards.co.uk, and have also written my first work of fiction.

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She contests that point.



Talks like she’s a real woman, but so did Brianna Wu. I dunno I should be asleep you tell me.
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The funniest thing you can do is to call them a tranny, even if they are a woman because the very nanosecond these harpies get confused for trannies they'll throw their mask to the ground and stop being an ally just to prove they aren't anything like those fake ones.

Worst case scenario; it's actually a tranny and you were right all along.
 
But isn’t it our job, as parents (and members of society at large) to unpick this discomfort and name it for what it really is: prejudice.
I would want to pick this woman's brain about this: is it prejudice for a young female person to be uncomfortable with an adult male person being around their intimate parts?

Let's discuss that argument together.
 
As an online-virtue-signaller, of course I'd be happy to type up essays which express my needs and duties to offer up my teenage daughter to horny men.
We might not be talking about a teen, the j*urno's daughter could be 12.

And as every girl knows, bra fitting can only be done with the employee firmly grabbing those budding breasts from behind and kneading them for a while.
 
Women: No, I wont have sex with you for you are not over 6 ft and thus wont provide me with a proper offspring
Also Women: Shiet, take my daughter, molest her if you must, as long as I look good, dueeeww!
everything men do is women's fault because you're supposed to guide her
sure, she doesn't want to be guided and is actively endangering her child for social clout but that's because of you and is not bad of her because she has a vagina
 
I would want to pick this woman's brain about this: is it prejudice for a young female person to be uncomfortable with an adult male person being around their intimate parts?

Let's discuss that argument together.
And if so, why is that?
Is there a reason that we have different bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, and other places where people are vulnerable?
Why do we generally only undress in private?

For all of the above, what changes if someone says they "feel" like they belong in a different category and should have access to their private room?
What are the chances that someone is a FOOKIN' NONCE versus being trans? (Assume for the sake of argument that "real trans" is a thing, if you're inclined otherwise)
If a predator imagined themselves in the women's restroom, felt euphoria at the idea, and from that concluded they were trans and started hormone therapy and wore dresses and used the women's restroom, what would you think of such a person?

I imagine at some point, if you try to walk through the argument, you hit one of the brain killswitches where they break and start repeating mantras like "THEY JUST WANT TO PEE". People buy into narratives and feelings, and when there's dissonance it's much easier to accuse someone else of having a problem than reconcile it. When you're walking out at night everyone is a danger to you and wants to abuse you, but men who go out of their way to be in women's spaces would never. The set of trans people is randomly selected to them, and not indicative of any qualities of the person in question.
 
I imagine at some point, if you try to walk through the argument, you hit one of the brain killswitches where they break and start repeating mantras like "THEY JUST WANT TO PEE".
I've tried this occasionally and this is basically how it goes. If they're friendly to you for social reasons, they superficially try to cross the gulf. But you eventually overload their programming.

Then the catchphrases come out and that's all you have to talk about.
 
But how do you know it was a troon? Oh idk maybe the full beard , adam's apple and copious amount of chest hair?

Seriously though what store these days besides Victoria's Secret even has employees just hanging out in the underwear sections? Most stores it's impossible to track anyone down if you need help but this troon just happened to be lingering with the bras?
 
It is impressive that the largest threat to young children today is white liberal women. You would think maternal instinct would prevent this shit but it looks like TPTB have successfully engineered that behavior out of an entire generation.
I sincerely doubt maternal instinct even exists considering if you count baby killings as deaths mothers have outdone both fucking world wars, if I recall correctly.
 
I sincerely doubt maternal instinct even exists considering if you count baby killings as deaths mothers have outdone both fucking world wars, if I recall correctly.
In a way, men and women live in different worlds. The world wars for men involved artillery, trenches, cannons, camps. Lines on the map. Abstract notions for the abstract gender. Women's world war is against the physical prison of motherhood and children. They've actually only had one world war, and it never ended.
 
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