Careercow Ash/Anna Kreider / Wundergeek / Go Make Me a Sandwich - Takes Feminist Gamer Critic to a New Level

[MMX]

I know Anna has done and is continuing her illustrative work on a series of books called, Princess Charming (someone else is writing them). I made a comment that she needs to work on her backgrounds since they feel bland (more detail in the color and backgrounds). And she replied with, "...seriously?".

So I'm asking for you guys' opinion if my criticism is valid and if there also seems to be something off with the perspective as well.

Spoiler: Examples

Thats some wugglebug level art

 

[Hummingbird]

I got a response from her when I suggested some things to improve the art, because I do think she has potential from some of the White Wolf stuff she's done. I know she wants to go professional with her stuff and release her works to the world. I can relate to that and I honestly wanted to give her help since I always greatly appreciate it when people give me the advice.

That's the funny thing. In a way I can relate since I'm an aspiring content creator for RPGs and being female in a male-dominated hobby. I also feel some empathy for her for her assault and mistreatment in life as well as having issues with depression. Maybe that's part of the reason she and her antics fascinate me and with the Orlando article, pissed me off.

Spoiler: This was the response I got.

What I meant is, I am posting about this project in order to promote it and you felt like it was appropriate to come in and offer unsolicited criticism that boils down to “just, do everything better”.

Trust me, I am NOT saying my work is perfect, because it’s not. But 1) I’m putting my work out there and asking for money for it, which is a huge part of the battle and 2) AT NO POINT WAS ANY SORT OF CRITICISM ASKED FOR OR INVITED.

With all of the completely unjustified reasons that people shit all over me on the internet, the last thing I want is for people to give their unasked for critiques when I’m just trying to promote a thing. Seriously, you don’t even know how tired I get of random negativity from random strangers on the internet, and you are just adding to that.

 

[nyon]

Well, that is one lovely reply only a lolcow could make.

I can understand getting tired of getting my every move criticized, but what defense is 'I'm trying to promote my stuff!'? Does she honestly expect trying to get paid will shield her from critique?
Her art is shit, maybe fine for a hobbyist, but in no way good enough for publishing. Seriously, I would doubt any games quality if it would come with art like this, like did they even playtest this shit.

 

[Pina Colada]

I got a response from her when I suggested some things to improve the art, because I do think she has potential from some of the White Wolf stuff she's done. I know she wants to go professional with her stuff and release her works to the world. I can relate to that and I honestly wanted to give her help since I always greatly appreciate it when people give me the advice.

That's the funny thing. In a way I can relate since I'm an aspiring content creator for RPGs and being female in a male-dominated hobby. I also feel some empathy for her for her assault and mistreatment in life as well as having issues with depression. Maybe that's part of the reason she and her antics fascinate me and with the Orlando article, pissed me off.

Spoiler: This was the response I got.

What I meant is, I am posting about this project in order to promote it and you felt like it was appropriate to come in and offer unsolicited criticism that boils down to “just, do everything better”.

Trust me, I am NOT saying my work is perfect, because it’s not. But 1) I’m putting my work out there and asking for money for it, which is a huge part of the battle and 2) AT NO POINT WAS ANY SORT OF CRITICISM ASKED FOR OR INVITED.

With all of the completely unjustified reasons that people shit all over me on the internet, the last thing I want is for people to give their unasked for critiques when I’m just trying to promote a thing. Seriously, you don’t even know how tired I get of random negativity from random strangers on the internet, and you are just adding to that.

So basically, we're dealing with a female Dobson here.

 

[kookerpie]

Are there any truly attractive misandrists? I have never heard of this woman, but I just "somehow" knew she was not a hot totty. I wonder what the correlation is...

I've known some beautiful evil women who loath men. But they usually show their contempt in public, not online.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Spoiler: This was the response I got.

What I meant is, I am posting about this project in order to promote it and you felt like it was appropriate to come in and offer unsolicited criticism that boils down to “just, do everything better”.

Trust me, I am NOT saying my work is perfect, because it’s not. But 1) I’m putting my work out there and asking for money for it, which is a huge part of the battle and 2) AT NO POINT WAS ANY SORT OF CRITICISM ASKED FOR OR INVITED.

With all of the completely unjustified reasons that people shit all over me on the internet, the last thing I want is for people to give their unasked for critiques when I’m just trying to promote a thing. Seriously, you don’t even know how tired I get of random negativity from random strangers on the internet, and you are just adding to that.

You're not allowed to critique her art if it isnt asked for? somebody should tell those pathfinder guys she keeps shitting on.

 

[TowinKarz]

You're not allowed to critique PROGRESSIVE art that attacks BAD THINGS!

Duh....

 

[Hummingbird]

You're not allowed to critique PROGRESSIVE art that attacks BAD THINGS!

Duh....

I was told I had a "Hell of an ego" for admitting I wasn't the best artist when I critiqued her by another poster. Maybe I was, but I also think there was stuff she could work on to make the art better (especially if she wants to go professional). Well, here's the page and comments.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Personally I think you pulled your punches pretty well, she's actually pretty bad at proportions, depth, dimension and human expressions in general.

for example.

Right of the bat the bionic arm is way longer than the human one, her human hand is gigantic. Also her angle is really fucked up.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Slightly off topic, but White Wolf books used to be brimming with really beautiful, evocative art. I can't believe the company in its modern form actually hires her. Here's an example from 1996's Vampire: the Dark Ages:

Given Ms. Kreider's rather stark views on gender roles, she would probably fail to appreciate the piteous horror of the vampire shamefully hiding itself from the light while clutching a rosary with the faith of a child grasping a teddy bear. She would simply notice that the vampire probably has a pickle, and is thus in a state of privilege. This is a theoretical example of political correctness destroying art and human empathy in a very direct way.

I'm a big RPG faggot from way back, and I am intensely curious about what her idea of a gender-swapped roleplaying session would be like. Would the female characters slap the male characters on the butt and call them wenches? If so, that is completely unlike any gaming session I've ever been a part of. Where is this magical setting where groups of men get together to play D&D at Hooters?

 

[Hummingbird]

Slightly off topic, but White Wolf books used to be brimming with really beautiful, evocative art. I can't believe the company in its modern form actually hires her. Here's an example from 1996's Vampire: the Dark Ages:

Given Ms. Kreider's rather stark views on gender roles, she would probably fail to appreciate the piteous horror of the vampire shamefully hiding itself from the light while clutching a rosary with the faith of a child grasping a teddy bear. She would simply notice that the vampire probably has a pickle, and is thus in a state of privilege. This is a theoretical example of political correctness destroying art and human empathy in a very direct way.

I'm a big RPG faggot from way back, and I am intensely curious about what her idea of a gender-swapped roleplaying session would be like. Would the female characters slap the male characters on the butt and call them wenches? If so, that is completely unlike any gaming session I've ever been a part of. Where is this magical setting where groups of men get together to play D&D at Hooters?

She just writes for the company (no art). The art for the new stuff has its good and bad artists (I particularly like the stuff for Mage: The Ascension V20). So don't worry, I understand. I'm still a major RPG fangirl. And the men I've seen guys who play female characters, they've always been respectful with it.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Yeah Kreiders depiction of male gamers is pretty weird. I've seen one and a half genuine misogynists over 10+ years of being in roleplay games and tabletop and the hammer descended on them without fail. A lot of her stuff seems to be carried by her rather than something inherent in nerd culture. Watching her loose her shit over a mild critique from another girl on the internet-somewhere you should be able to brush off with ease is really instructive.
Also this
http://archive.is/4q3rI

The people who have hurt me the worst, that I am most afraid of, that I have to be most careful around are all men. There’s a reason why I used to describe myself as a misanthrope and now mostly describe myself as a misandrist. Because I realized that I don’t actually hate humanity, I just hate patriarchy.

I suspect she's actually a misandrist but also potentially an actual misanthrope and her 'feminism' is a mental buffer to avoid the self-revaluation she's a bigoted person with hateful views. That she used a role play setting to deliberately degrade and humiliate men for fun and the rationalized it away while shying away from the ugly reality of abusing humans is really gives the game away.

 

[Hummingbird]

She hasn't responded back to me and I'm fine with that. I just hope she takes the advice since it would make the pictures nicer. Also, Overwatch is racist.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

She hasn't responded back to me and I'm fine with that. I just hope she takes the advice since it would make the pictures nicer. Also, Overwatch is racist.

I like how at the bottom she lists pictures of heros from other AAA-funded games with the comment "So many white guys"... And the main character from Watch Dogs is a nigga.

Rico is also hispanic IIRC

 

[TowinKarz]

It's all a No True Scottsman fallacy anyway.... "racist" as a word is selectively applied, modified and stretched until it just means "I don't like it"

 

[Hummingbird]

So basically, we're dealing with a female Dobson here.

There are some strong Dobson vibes and especially in the comments section of this article. (It's example #1 of the article they're responding to.)

 

[Hummingbird]

I think she might've found us. As someone who was also horribly bullied as a kid, I can relate to how that anger and resentment can still linger as an adult. (I've put up with a couple of very manipulative guys as an adult.)

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

How is it possible for a person to work full-time and not understand that the needs of Sales overrides the building being on fire? One call from just a sales grunt has been enough to give anyone I have worked with a kick in the ass. Their requests might not be polite, they might not seem logical but salesmen are the ones bringing in the money. If you decide to butt heads with one, you will lose.

 

[PPowell4]

I don't know that person, but whenever I see the word feminist online, I always assume they're like the ones I see on every comment section online. I could be reading about the weather, and in the comment section there would always be at least one man whinging on about how much they hate women or feminist, bitter because it isn't legal to control women or beat them up, without realising they're the reason why feminism is needed.

 

[Coldgrip]

I don't know that person, but whenever I see the word feminist online, I always assume they're like the ones I see on every comment section online. I could be reading about the weather, and in the comment section there would always be at least one man whinging on about how much they hate women or feminist, bitter because it isn't legal to control women or beat them up, without realising they're the reason why feminism is needed.

That's an actual misogynist, not a feminist.

Though the feminists in most comment sections pretty much bitch about the same things only gender-flipped.

Edit: Just thought I'd add, if you need feminism because of what some tards in a comment section say perhaps you should just not read the comments, or just turn the computer off.