Ask @WelperHelper99 about mormon shit - Cope and Seethe edition

[Cheeseknife]

You don't actually choose where you're sent. The church does, and as such, God. The prophet even signs your letter. It's seen as a coming of age thing, the mission.

So it's like isekai, but irl.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Don't you think an angel named "Moroni" is kind of telling you something? Like it's a wink or a little nod?

 

[Cheeseknife]

Don't you think an angel named "Moroni" is kind of telling you something? Like it's a wink or a little nod?

I think it's funny, but it's probably just coincidental. What's the etymology?

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Does welperhelper like harem anime because it reminds him of the ideal Mormon household?

 

[WelperHelper99]

So it's like isekai, but irl.

Yes and it's a adventure. I'll say that. You might stay in your country, or end up in Cambodia.

I think it's funny, but it's probably just coincidental. What's the etymology.

Moroni is a specific angel that talked to Joseph and showed him the plates. He was also a Nephite a long time ago. He's more a historical figure than anything

 

[Cheeseknife]

Moroni is a specific angel that talked to Joseph and showed him the plates. He was also a Nephite a long time ago. He's more a historical figure than anything

I'm familiar. I think @Harbinger of Kali Yuga was just pointing out how the name is one letter away from "moron." That's a joke my Dad used to tell because he's a boomer and he likes puns. I like puns too, but I like ones that are a bit more clever. Like why is it called "Mormon" when clearly it's about "more women" to make your wives.

 

[AgendaPoster]

This discussion brings back memories.
We had a Mormon dude at work like 15 yrs ago, and he tried to convert all of us. Gave me Book of Mormon to read too. Had to try soooooooo hard to not let him down too brutally.
Other than that he was pretty OK, family guy, capitalist pig, non-degenerate, at least at the first glance

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'm familiar. I think @Harbinger of Kali Yuga was just pointing out how the name is one letter away from "moron." That's a joke my Dad used to tell because he's a boomer and he likes puns. I like puns too, but I like ones that are a bit more clever. Like why is it called "Mormon" when clearly it's about more women to make your wives.

Ah, lol. On that, I'll say this about Polygamy: don't try it. You'll never live it down. I honestly laugh at that little community watch thread we have on r/polygamy, and see the depravity they get up to. It is funny to fuck with people over voice chat though and say you have 20 moms.

 

[Cheeseknife]

This discussion brings back memories.
We had a Mormon dude at work like 15 yrs ago, and he tried to convert all of us. Gave me Book of Mormon to read too. Had to try soooooooo hard to not let him down too brutally.
Other than that he was pretty OK, family guy, capitalist pig, non-degenerate, at least at the first glance

I used to live in Colorado, used to see and interact with quite a few of them. And, yeah, good folks. Could've done without the door-to-door stuff, but that was a rarity so it was no biggie.

I do remember one occasion where my dad let them in and he decided to "debate" them. He has long been staunch Orthodox Presbyterian Christian and had dreams of becoming a pastor early on in his life. Thing I remember was the Mormons gave us a "we believe in the same things you do..." pitch. Which might work on non-denominational dunderheads who don't really know what they believe in. But my dad was both an expert in Christian theology and had studied the Momon faith and so was able to break down, point-for-point why we, in fact, did not believe in the same things.

Funny thing was I don't think the two guys really expected my dad to be as informed as he was. Fun little conversation. Too bad my Dad's old and his brain isn't as good as it used to be. It'd be fun if he could recall exactly what he said.

 

[AgendaPoster]

"we believe in the same things you do..." pitch

Basically all people trying to convert you do this. Find common, shared ground.
Ask about the 100 wives? golden tablets? Magic underwear? 9 yrs old bride? Decapitation of whole oasis of enemies?
Nope nope nope nope eject eject
There's a reason they tell you about Xenu only after you're fully indoctrinated and committed.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Basically all people trying to convert you do this. Find common, shared ground.

Which should be an existential thing for these missionaries. Like, the fact that they're relying on deception rather than the will of God to convert people. Why wouldn't that cause one to question whether or not the entire faith is based on converts who only believe in what they believe in because they were tricked into it?

I've asked muslims about this too, and they've often told me that because human beings are stupid animals, Allah is forced to deceive them. But, that's still an existential thing to me because it just begs the question, how do you get to the point where you can tell the truth from the lies? And even if you get there, how do you know that isn't just another lie?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Which should be an existential thing for these missionaries. Like, the fact that they're relying on deception rather than the will of God to convert people. Why wouldn't that cause one to question whether or not the entire faith is based on converts who only believe in what they believe in because they were tricked into it?

I've asked muslims about this too, and they've often told me that because human beings are stupid animals, Allah is forced to deceive them. But, that's still an existential thing to me because it just begs the question, how do you get to the point where you can tell the truth from the lies? And even if you get there, how do you know that isn't just another lie?

That's a good point. I think scoring converts is just too valuable and makes them feel useful towards their communities.
And yeah humans are retarded and lazy. I would've never read Book of Mormon if that dude did not insist on giving it to me. The Bible and the Quran I did read by myself though, mostly. The Quran still as a gift, from Syrian colleague and friend at work, after I got interested in it during the post-9/11 era. Also how I got to visit Syria a few times, sadly all that went to fucking rubble.

 

[Cheeseknife]

That's a good point. I think scoring converts is just too valuable and makes them feel useful towards their communities.
And yeah humans are retarded and lazy. I would've never read Book of Mormon if that dude did not insist on giving it to me. The Bible and the Quran I did read by myself though, mostly. The Quran still as a gift, from Syrian colleague and friend at work, after I got interested in it during the post-9/11 era. Also how I got to visit Syria a few times, sadly all that went to fucking rubble.

I've just read the Bible. Maybe if I was involved with Mormons or Muslims regularly, I'd read their books, but it's never interested me. The Bible still interests me, though.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I've just read the Bible. Maybe if I was involved with Mormons or Muslims regularly, I'd read their books, but it's never interested me. The Bible still interests me, though.

Book of Mormon is basically modern fantasy in many ways, with a religious tone, of course.
The Quran is different, but only if you can find a version with what they call tafseer, "commentary", more specifically you want the historical context of the revelation. Without the historical knowledge it's just basic Judaism but for Arabs, plus Jesus accepted as a prophet/Messiah.
Anyway, I can definitely recommend reading both. I'm a sucker for old religious stuff. How can you dislike shit like hunting down witches and stoning homos

 

[goodbudweiser]

The book of Mormon doesn't replace the Bible, at all.

How does this work exactly?

 

[Admiral Throbnelius]

How does this work exactly?

I believe the official subtitle of the Book of Mormon is "Another Testament of Jesus Christ", at least that's what is says on a copy of the book a friend gave to me that he got from some missionaries who knocked at his door. I think they treat it as part 3 of the Bible and the sequel to the old and new testament.

Edit: I haven't read it, I just have it sitting there. I've only fully read the Bible and have read bits and pieces of the Quran and Talmud, out of curiosity. Maybe I'll read through the whole Book of Mormon since it doesn't seem too long.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Book of Mormon is basically modern fantasy in many ways, with a religious tone, of course.
The Quran is different, but only if you can find a version with what they call tafseer, "commentary", more specifically you want the historical context of the revelation. Without the historical knowledge it's just basic Judaism but for Arabs, plus Jesus accepted as a prophet/Messiah.
Anyway, I can definitely recommend reading both. I'm a sucker for old religious stuff. How can you dislike shit like hunting down witches and stoning homos

When you say "religious" I'm curious about how exactly you're using the word. It's changed dramatically over the past century or so and the way it's used in the modern West highly differentiates itself from how it was used in early days.

 

[Jeff_the_Thriller]

Is Park City over rated or do I just think it fucks because I mostly ski east coast?

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

How can mormons claim to be Christian when Christ himself said said there would be no more revisions to the law or the word after him?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

What if I don't want to get my own planet from God when I die? I just want to spend eternity partying with Jesus on Kolob.

I think it's funny, but it's probably just coincidental. What's the etymology?

Joseph Smith couldn't think up a name for his character so he looked at a map and saw a place on some obscure-ass African island called "Moroni", thought it sounded cool, so named the angel thought.