Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Doctor of Autism]

Some stuff drawn by the animators

This one gives feels

Apologies for the double post but holy shit

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Apologies for the double post but holy shit

These are the most beautiful things I've seen since Levi's unconscious, shrapnel-filled face.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

These are the most beautiful things I've seen since Levi's unconscious, shrapnel-filled face.

Yes I am going to be honest I like Gabi but holy shit the memes of her ass getting beaten up are hilarious

Also not to fellate myself I think i was spot on with my prediction judging by the fandom reaction

I don't think they will as much given the recent episode seems to have given more context for it compared to the manga on why it would be justified in Gabi's perspective so while there would be hate, I think it would be more on the divisive scale where people will justify or hate Gabi.

I think so far if this keeps up the most complaints the anime is going to have is the use of CG based on what I'm reading from twitter and reddit which make up a good portion of AOT's western audience who are enjoying it but only have issues with the CG especially with the recent episode where it seemed more clunky..

Especially cause the reactions of Sasha's death are people on the hater side wanting to beat the shit out of Gabi, kill her, compare her to Abby from TLoU2 (Despite the fact Gabi is more justified in this case given Abby actually spent time with Joel prior to playing golf with him to see he's a nice guy and Sasha didn't act like a retard before getting killed so the comparison doesn't work), and autists talking about how Gabi is on their "most hated anime characters" list as though they have the most important opinions.

While the other side are people fellating Iseyama hard about how clever he is (Even though it's just basic storytelling structures), some pretentious asshole saying "You can't hate Gabi because that ignores the point of the story", other pretentious assholes fitting the former two categories about how it is good people hate her because Iseyama knew that would be the reaction along with mocking the people who hate Gabi (and being very condescending about it), and in the middle of this autism shitflinging are the more rational people just understanding the situation of why Gabi killed Sasha than fellating Iseyama or sperging about Gabi.

 

[Stoneheart]

While the other side are people fellating Iseyama hard about how clever he is (Even though it's just basic storytelling structures), some pretentious asshole saying "You can't hate Gabi because that ignores the point of the story", other pretentious assholes fitting the former two categories about how it is good people hate her because Iseyama knew that would be the reaction along with mocking the people who hate Gabi (and being very condescending about it), and in the middle of this autism shitflinging are the more rational people just understanding the situation of why Gabi killed Sasha than fellating Iseyama or sperging about Gabi.

killing your comic relief is just a stupid idea...

 

[Doctor of Autism]

@Bunny Tracks Some mad lad made an hour long version of this

Also here is cute fanart I found on twitter during when Gabi and Sasha were trending

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Edit: Oh my god, she really did say "meat"! They actually did it! I can check this off the list! This is amazing!

Monkey D. Sasha, Rip in peace.

Press F to buy her some Flank Steak.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

About the "Gabi as a mirror image of Eren" idea. While the idea can probably work, it's incredibly tricky. First of all, you have the problem Eren is already grown up, so the only real interaction he can have with Gabi is a "holy shit she reminds me of myself", but it doesn't work because Eren never really changed in any way. It's not an idealic youth being corrupted and then realizing what he's become. It's a psychopath finding another psychopath.
The other problem is ye olde "both sides have a point" never works out. At best you can have some nobodies to humanize as regular citizens, but the mere act of creating a distinction between two sides guarantees there will be a viewer bias over which side is right (especially if you didn't start with both viewpoints simultaneously). The solution of making both sides evil is an easy cop-out that removes any real thought from the message.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

About the "Gabi as a mirror image of Eren" idea. While the idea can probably work, it's incredibly tricky. First of all, you have the problem Eren is already grown up, so the only real interaction he can have with Gabi is a "holy shit she reminds me of myself", but it doesn't work because Eren never really changed in any way. It's not an idealic youth being corrupted and then realizing what he's become. It's a psychopath finding another psychopath.
The other problem is ye olde "both sides have a point" never works out. At best you can have some nobodies to humanize as regular citizens, but the mere act of creating a distinction between two sides guarantees there will be a viewer bias over which side is right (especially if you didn't start with both viewpoints simultaneously). The solution of making both sides evil is an easy cop-out that removes any real thought from the message.

Honestly Gabi feels more like a combination of Eren and Reiner when both were kids and I feel what Iseyama was doing with her was trying to make a character that fits the mold of "Extremist child who wants to be a hero to their people" and get them to break out of it. It's not a new arc as many other people have done that before in stories that focus on the Hitler Youth as an example (Jojo Rabbit comes to mind). Honestly I think she's fine as a character and serves her role well, but sometimes she feels like a plot device to generate tragedy at times like with Sasha's death (as I said earlier, the way she got to kill Sasha relied on too many coincidences) or for other things like when she shoots Eren's head off later to get to the final conflict.

As for the "both sides have a point" is not really what I think the point of making Marley sympathetic is done for but rather I think Iseyama is trying to show that everyone in war/conflict justifies their reasoning and are still normal people. However, the bigger flaw was not viewer bias (but that certainly is a factor) but I think Iseyama tried to make everything morally grey that I think he should've had more simple characters to balance things out which is what I think he did for Floch and the Brownshirts, but didn't have anyone like that for the Marley side beyond minor soldiers who acted like dicks.

However, the biggest issue was that Marley was never planned from the beginning as AOT fans hail Iseyama as someone who plans everything in advance when Iseyama had to change the story he was originally going to make after the AOT anime got popular, he changed the story midway since his original ending was going to be more horrific and tragic with inspiration from Stephen King (with "The Mist" being the main inspiration).

I do enjoy the Attack on Titan story (Though the anime is better than the manga since there is better structure in the anime), but it has clear flaws with it's writing that are being ignored as many AOT fans focus on sucking Iseyama's dick.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Random, but am I the only one who's disappointed in the kick Levi gave Eren?

Like, what kind of weak-ass shit is that? He just caused all this chaos, death, and destruction, and that's all you do? I know he makes Eren hit the wall, but still.

C'mon, old man.

We know you can do better than that.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Random, but am I the only one who's disappointed in the kick Levi gave Eren?
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Like, what kind of weak-ass shit is that? He just caused all this chaos, death, and destruction, and got Sasha killed, and that's all you do? I know he makes Eren hit the wall, but still.

C'mon, old man.

We know you can do better than that.

Sasha wasn't dead at that point

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Sasha wasn't dead at that point

Yeah, sorry, I forgot about that, but the point still stands. Levi's beaten Eren's ass way worse for less.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Yeah, sorry, I forgot about that, but the point still stands. Levi's beaten Eren's ass way worse for less.

They are saving the animation budget for the Pigs.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Yeah, sorry, I forgot about that, but the point still stands. Levi's beaten Eren's ass way worse for less.

Listen they used up all the ass-beating budget on the soldiers kicking Gabi and Falco's asses

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

With three chapters left in AoT, we might be getting aliens.

Spoiler: Big-Ass Image

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At first I was skeptical, but then someone pointed out something.

Spoiler: It is canon that AoT's world is upside down

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I really don't want this to be true, it wouldn't even fun to laugh at, so am I the only one who thinks there's a decent chance of this happening?

If this is true, we’d better got some proper recreations of this meme.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The other problem is ye olde "both sides have a point" never works out. At best you can have some nobodies to humanize as regular citizens, but the mere act of creating a distinction between two sides guarantees there will be a viewer bias over which side is right (especially if you didn't start with both viewpoints simultaneously). The solution of making both sides evil is an easy cop-out that removes any real thought from the message.

"Both sides have a point" trope does work but the amount of effort needed to do so and both sides almost have to be shown from the beginning is something most modern authors either don't want or outright refuse to do. Plus there is the subject matter leading up to the conflict and the conflict itself. The setup Iseyama use for AoT and his lack of wrting ability made the trope a banal asspull.

Class example of "both side have a point" that worked is the "North and South" miniseries with Patrick Swayze.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Youtube search results.

 

[Stoneheart]

With three chapters left in AoT, we might be getting aliens.

so why did they use the name Ymir if its not some kind of Godlike being? It was always confusing to me because they use a strange mix of words... It should be attack on giants if they use Norse names. Titans is normaly used for the greek "gods" on the same level as Ymir.

The other problem is ye olde "both sides have a point" never works out. At best you can have some nobodies to humanize as regular citizens, but the mere act of creating a distinction between two sides guarantees there will be a viewer bias over which side is right (especially if you didn't start with both viewpoints simultaneously). The solution of making both sides evil is an easy cop-out that removes any real thought from the message.

Well there is some very famous Anime that got it very very right.... I would guess half the anime avatars on the farm are from that anime.--

 

[Secret Asshole]

Gabi sucks because she serves no purpose other than to anger people who liked Sasha. There's really no justification for her character. If she was a foil for Eren, she would have inherited a titan, but would have been above the hate and stand for justice. She would be a mirror for Eren, not identical to him. There's no real reason to have an identical Eren, because you have a character who already embodies these traits.

Gabi is simply a bad character to anger readers, because even though she is identical to Eren, she shows no personal growth, basically like Eren. So what is the point of her being there? She's redundant. You don't need two Eren's in a story as its obviously quite logical that the opposing side would have one similar to him, but when you're crafting a story, you want that person to have a purpose. You want her to learn where he doesn't. You want her to recant her hate. You want the guilt for murder to eat her alive. That's how you develop a foil.

But she's not developed as a foil. She is a meta character, there to aggravate readers and serve as a tool to kill a character Isayama already wanted dead and replace her with something he wanted. This is why Gabi is a bad character. She is more of a self-insert than anything else. Its also one of the many examples of why Isayama is a bad writer. You don't kill a character and basically replace them with an identical character (unless you're in Gantz and then you're already in bugfuck territory).

Gabi COULD have been a foil for Eren, being like him in the beginning but changing over the story and developing into the protagonist while Eren becomes the antagonist, hence having this role reversal where Eren can't let go of his hate but Gabi can. But that never happens.

What is her purpose? What narrative themes does she offer that other characters do not have? We've already got child soldiers. We've already got unrepentant killers as kids. We've already got someone like Sasha. She's a complete redundancy. You CAN'T write characters that are thematically redundant, no matter the side. Of COURSE the other side is going to view the other side as 'bad'. The problem is you have to consider the audience. Which side has the audience spent the most time with? Have you given previous context to their actions being amoral or morally dubious? Do the protagonists oppose these views? Do they support them? "LOL BOTH SIDS ARE BAD" because they just don't consider these questions and a lot of authors forget that the audience is always going to side with characters and factions they've spent the most time with, especially if they're enjoyable and they're the protagonist. Or especially if they're just following around this awesome protagonist but then randomly his side is just as shitty or he does out of character actions to show that his side is 'just as bad'.

Attack on Titan is so fucking god awful at this because there's an entire continent basically torturing an island for something they can't remember and were basically sins of the father. You just can't make a case for that. And that's largely the problem. Attack on Titan NEEDS an antagonist. Out of pure laziness, when it ran out of one, it just made the most developed character the protagonist/antagonist, the only one moving the story forward.

The whole thing is so terribly written. It is a shame that the author just decided to fuck over readers because he thought it was funny and inserted his own political views and pop culture shit into it.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

so why did they use the name Ymir if its not some kind of Godlike being? It was always confusing to me because they use a strange mix of words... It should be attack on giants if they use Norse names. Titans is normaly used for the greek "gods" on the same level as Ymir.

She is some kind of godlike being tho.
"Titan" is the English translation, its japanese name "Shingeki no Kyojin" literally means "advancing giants". Or like "Big person moving forward" or "Attack of the large people" or something. Likewise the Titans are called Kyojin. So it is just kinda an English thing.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Well there is some very famous Anime that got it very very right.... I would guess half the anime avatars on the farm are from that anime.--

You mean Legend of the Galactic Heroes? I guess "never" was a bit too strong, but you really do need a godtier author to pull it off.

Should see it someday...