Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[cantankerous jackalope]

I have no real dog in this fight but from watching the anime I’m getting the sense that Jean is being set up as the sole survivor of this whole thing and looking at the wiki it says he ain’t dead in the manga, so I’m going to go with my gut. Every season he’s been the foil to Eren, in season 1 he was a selfish prick who didn’t want to join the scouts and in season 4 he’s the only one who is repeatedly shown to the audience as having second thoughts about killing civilians and staying in touch with his humanity while Eren is losing the rest of his,

Jean feels like a character that should’ve died in season one but instead had this weird rivalry with Eren that makes no sense considering how much of a tertiary character he was. Now all of a sudden he’s elevated to almost main character status in season 4 (we’re shown his internal thoughts a lot more now, he was the first scout revealed in S4, etc.). I also really like his character development in general, and have since S1. Very humanized character.

Toriyama has to be keeping him around for a reason.

April 2022 edit: jean chads we did it holy shit

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I have no real dog in this fight but from watching the anime I’m getting the sense that Jean is being set up as the sole survivor of this whole thing and looking at the wiki it says he ain’t dead in the manga, so I’m going to go with my gut. Every season he’s been the foil to Eren, in season 1 he was a selfish prick who didn’t want to join the scouts and in season 4 he’s the only one who is repeatedly shown to the audience as having second thoughts about killing civilians and staying in touch with his humanity while Eren is losing the rest of his,

Jean feels like a character that should’ve died in season one but instead had this weird rivalry with Eren that makes no sense considering how much of a tertiary character he was. Now all of a sudden he’s elevated to almost main character status in season 4 (we’re shown his internal thoughts a lot more now, he was the first scout revealed in S4, etc.). I also really like his character development in general, and have since S1. Very humanized character.

Toriyama has to be keeping him around for a reason.

I mean Iseyama considered Jean his favorite character before Reiner and probably just liked him a lot.

As for the reactions in the mango, the funniest ones are people laughing at the unironic Eren fans who are trying so hard to cope that Eren isn't going full genocide (unless Iseyama does it), and I read some people on 4chan comparing it to when "Biden stole the election". The ending is going to be looked at either highly or seen as not surprising it turned out bad since it's more common for bad enidngs to happen in manga than good ones (in terms of writing quality). The best reactions though are going to be from the Erenfags having a meltdown.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I mean Iseyama considered Jean his favorite character before Reiner and probably just liked him a lot.

As for the reactions in the mango, the funniest ones are people laughing at the unironic Eren fans who are trying so hard to cope that Eren isn't going full genocide (unless Iseyama does it), and I read some people on 4chan comparing it to when "Biden stole the election". The ending is going to be looked at either highly or seen as not surprising it turned out bad since it's more common for bad enidngs to happen in manga than good ones (in terms of writing quality). The best reactions though are going to be from the Erenfags having a meltdown.

I mean there are bad endings and then there's this. Also fucking lol:

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I mean there are bad endings and then there's this. Also fucking lol:
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This will be funny if this turns out to be the ending, but in all serious it's kinda weird how so many stories botch the idea of Ragnarock, like this is not exclusive to Attack on Titan but Ragnarock is probably the most commonly misused thing to adapt from Norse Mythology and it's so strange how common it is.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I love this shitstorm so much. The memes are fucking glorious.

"YOU CAN CHOOSE!"

 

[Secret Asshole]

This will be funny if this turns out to be the ending, but in all serious it's kinda weird how so many stories botch the idea of Ragnarock, like this is not exclusive to Attack on Titan but Ragnarock is probably the most commonly misused thing to adapt from Norse Mythology and it's so strange how common it is.

Ragnarock is quite literally the total destruction of the old order and the rebirth of the new world. It constitutes a lot of life, but also hope:

Chapter 53 begins with Gangleri asking if any of the gods will survive, and if there will be anything left of the earth or the sky. High responds that the earth will appear once more from the sea, beautiful and green, where self-sown crops grow. The field Iðavöllr exists where Asgard once was, and, there, untouched by Surtr's flames, Víðarr and Váli reside. Now possessing their father's hammer Mjölnir, Thor's sons Móði and Magni will meet them there, and, coming from Hel, Baldr and Höðr also arrive. Together, they all sit and recount memories, later finding the gold game pieces the Æsir once owned.

High reveals that two humans, Líf and Lífþrasir, will have also survived the destruction by hiding in the wood Hoddmímis holt. These two survivors consume the morning dew for sustenance, and from their descendants the world will be repopulated. Vafþrúðnismál stanza 45 is then quoted. The personified sun, Sól, will have a daughter at least as beautiful as she, and this daughter will follow the same path as her mother. Vafþrúðnismál stanza 47 is quoted, and so ends the foretelling of Ragnarök in Gylfaginning

It is basically destruction, death and rebirth. Hope in the face of overwhelming tragedy and loss, resulting in a better world. A lot of series fuck up Ragnarock by treating it as the end of everything with NO SURVIVORS, but this simply isn't the case. Its creating a new, pure world. It represents hope after death.

Obviously if we were going to go pure Ragnarock, Eren will have gone through PATHs and seen the world constantly destroyed if the Rumbling never happens. He tries to tell his friends this, but they don't believe him. He makes desperate pleas to them, but lets say he holds off. And then Marley develops anti-Titan weapons, but they just see it as mutually assured destruction. Eren can't hold anymore and initates the rumbling, because we've seen in his visions that there's no way the bloodshed will stop unless the rumbling is enacted. Obviously a shitload of deaths happen, fights among the Gods. But Eren devours all the Titans, consuming them in himself. The world tree spreads across the land, reinvigorating it. Then you have Eren and Mikasa, who represent the two humans in the myth, repopulating Paradis. I was going to say Historia, but Eren and Mikasa fits more as the last two humans were found in the woods near mountains in the myth. So those two align with the myth better than Historia does. Do whatever else you want with the cast. Armin's gotta die tho.

But Ragnarock is prophesized, is unavoidable, results in death of the old order but also the birth of a new, implied pure and peaceful one. Its an Epic of death, tragedy and hope. Most only really go for the 'death' part, forgetting that not everyone dies and that it ultimately results in a better world. Most don't. A lot of stories go "WOW WE STOPPED RAGNAROCK, GO US"

Yeah, the whole point of Ragnarock is it can't be stopped. No matter what. And it doesn't mean that's a bad ending. Its only bad if you forget the second part where the world gets reborn as a better place. Not as in a 'villian cleanse the world' better place, but a real one. Too many stories are just too afraid to go with something that cannot be stopped and results in a lot of (or most) of the main cast dying.

I mean lets be real as well, Isayama only takes surface level shit from things he likes. He doesn't seem to understand why they're good, he just replicates them without rhyme or reason. There was no fucking way he was going any deeper into ragnarock.

EDIT:
The real problem with Ragnarock on AoT is that there's a fundamental lack of powerful antagonists besides some of the titans and no real counter to the rumbling. But then again we're acting like any of this shit was charted out from the start

 

[Bunny Tracks]

This will be funny if this turns out to be the ending, but in all serious it's kinda weird how so many stories botch the idea of Ragnarock, like this is not exclusive to Attack on Titan but Ragnarock is probably the most commonly misused thing to adapt from Norse Mythology and it's so strange how common it is.

Ragnarock is quite literally the total destruction of the old order and the rebirth of the new world. It constitutes a lot of life, but also hope:



It is basically destruction, death and rebirth. Hope in the face of overwhelming tragedy and loss, resulting in a better world. A lot of series fuck up Ragnarock by treating it as the end of everything with NO SURVIVORS, but this simply isn't the case. Its creating a new, pure world. It represents hope after death.

Obviously if we were going to go pure Ragnarock, Eren will have gone through PATHs and seen the world constantly destroyed if the Rumbling never happens. He tries to tell his friends this, but they don't believe him. He makes desperate pleas to them, but lets say he holds off. And then Marley develops anti-Titan weapons, but they just see it as mutually assured destruction. Eren can't hold anymore and initates the rumbling, because we've seen in his visions that there's no way the bloodshed will stop unless the rumbling is enacted. Obviously a shitload of deaths happen, fights among the Gods. But Eren devours all the Titans, consuming them in himself. The world tree spreads across the land, reinvigorating it. Then you have Eren and Historia, who represent the two humans in the myth, repopulating Paradis. Do whatever else you want with the cast. Armin's gotta die tho.

But Ragnarock is prophesized, is unavoidable, results in death of the old order but also the birth of a new, implied pure and peaceful one. Its an Epic of death, tragedy and hope. Most only really go for the 'death' part, forgetting that not everyone dies and that it ultimately results in a better world. Most don't. A lot of stories go "WOW WE STOPPED RAGNAROCK, GO US"

Yeah, the whole point of Ragnarock is it can't be stopped. No matter what. And it doesn't mean that's a bad ending. Its only bad if you forget the second part where the world gets reborn as a better place. Not as in a 'villian cleanse the world' better place, but a real one. Too many stories are just too afraid to go with something that cannot be stopped and results in a lot of (or most) of the main cast dying.

I mean lets be real as well, Isayama only takes surface level shit from things he likes. He doesn't seem to understand why they're good, he just replicates them without rhyme or reason. There was no fucking way he was going any deeper into ragnarock.

EDIT:
The real problem with Ragnarock on AoT is that there's a fundamental lack of powerful antagonists besides some of the titans and no real counter to the rumbling. But then again we're acting like any of this shit was charted out from the start

I think the only series to do Ragnarok right, and by right, I mean fucking awesome is Record of Ragnarok which is just a giant fighting tournament manga where actual Gods like Zeus and Poseidon fight actual irl (most of the time) historical figures like Jack the Ripper and Nikola Tesla.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Ragnarock is quite literally the total destruction of the old order and the rebirth of the new world. It constitutes a lot of life, but also hope:



It is basically destruction, death and rebirth. Hope in the face of overwhelming tragedy and loss, resulting in a better world. A lot of series fuck up Ragnarock by treating it as the end of everything with NO SURVIVORS, but this simply isn't the case. Its creating a new, pure world. It represents hope after death.

Obviously if we were going to go pure Ragnarock, Eren will have gone through PATHs and seen the world constantly destroyed if the Rumbling never happens. He tries to tell his friends this, but they don't believe him. He makes desperate pleas to them, but lets say he holds off. And then Marley develops anti-Titan weapons, but they just see it as mutually assured destruction. Eren can't hold anymore and initates the rumbling, because we've seen in his visions that there's no way the bloodshed will stop unless the rumbling is enacted. Obviously a shitload of deaths happen, fights among the Gods. But Eren devours all the Titans, consuming them in himself. The world tree spreads across the land, reinvigorating it. Then you have Eren and Historia, who represent the two humans in the myth, repopulating Paradis. Do whatever else you want with the cast. Armin's gotta die tho.

But Ragnarock is prophesized, is unavoidable, results in death of the old order but also the birth of a new, implied pure and peaceful one. Its an Epic of death, tragedy and hope. Most only really go for the 'death' part, forgetting that not everyone dies and that it ultimately results in a better world. Most don't. A lot of stories go "WOW WE STOPPED RAGNAROCK, GO US"

Yeah, the whole point of Ragnarock is it can't be stopped. No matter what. And it doesn't mean that's a bad ending. Its only bad if you forget the second part where the world gets reborn as a better place. Not as in a 'villian cleanse the world' better place, but a real one. Too many stories are just too afraid to go with something that cannot be stopped and results in a lot of (or most) of the main cast dying.

I mean lets be real as well, Isayama only takes surface level shit from things he likes. He doesn't seem to understand why they're good, he just replicates them without rhyme or reason. There was no fucking way he was going any deeper into ragnarock.

I mean no one goes deeper into Ragnarock to begin with so it's not like there was any good reference material (especially since it's clear that Isayama is a westaboo). Though to be honest I am very curious where Isayama is going to go next beyond AOT since it could be interesting if it's a different genre (or he just decides to work on anime since he seems more invested in the anime than the manga given how he adds things to it and is heavily involved in the anime's production).

But man the memes make Attack on Titan much better even the good parts since it just gets quite crazy how Attack on Titan is. I just can't wait for the memes about the ending

I think the only series to do Ragnarok right, and by right, I mean fucking awesome is Record of Ragnarok which is just a giant tournament manga where actual Gods like Zeus and Poseidon fight actual irl (most of the time) historical figures like Jack the Ripper and Nikola Tesla.

Sounds interesting especially as a Fate autist who likes seeing historical/mythological figures fight each other.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Sounds interesting especially as a Fate autist who likes seeing historical/mythological figures fight each other.

It's so fucking cool. It feels like a throwback to classic anime tournaments, but it's a lot more clever, and it's got amazing art, and style choices. Adam's (as in the Adam from the fucking bible) intro before his fight with Zeus is fucking legendary, and I can't wait to see it animated.

A lot of people have been asking what anime will become the new AoT when it ends and I think Record of Ragnrok has a good shot of being it.

 

[FaramirG]

I'm just so relieved that people actually hate this shit. I was so worried that they'd actually like it. I'm glad to see there's still some common sense left in this world.

It's so much like Game of Thrones where I'm glad the general fanbase isn't tolerating the bullshit ending, but I'm also a little confused about why it took this long when things were going downhill for a while.

 

[Uncle June]

Can someone less autistic than myself explain wtf happened this chapter? Seriously lost.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Can someone less autistic than myself explain wtf happened this chapter? Seriously lost.

In (somewhat) chronological order

-Armin builds a Sandcastle with Zeke in the center of time and space. As they're building this sandcastle, Arming convinces Zeke to commit suicide instead of letting Eren kill the world
-Armin holds up a leaf and shows it to Zeke. This reminds Zeke of a baseball and better days.
-Zeke pops out of Paths and literally waves to Levi, who instantly decapitates him without hesitation
-For some reason, this stops the giant titans and titans no longer regenerate
-For some reason, Ymir seems to stop helping Eren, maybe by Armin talking her into convincing the value of human life
-The cringeavengers defeat countless Titans like they were nothing, while some just hang around in the background
-For some reason, Eren doesn't use any of the founding titans 1,432,5435 abilities and just generates mobs of Titans like an MMO and also uses the Warhammer Titan remotely, which is then smashed.
-For some reason, Berthold, who is dead, saves Armin from being eaten
-For some reason, Grisha and Kruger (who are also dead) who want to save Eldia and witnessed many horrors help the cringe avengers
-Gabi is an expert shot, but this is the least of the problems
-For some reason, Jean is able to make it to Eren's head and explode it with no sacrifices from the cringe avengers
-For some reason, a living God is damaged by conventional explosives
-Reiner stops Eren from regenerating, turns into armor titan
-Armon then says he never understood Eren, transforming into the Colossal Titan, which is basically a big nuke to kill Eren (Think of it as a retarded Tony Stark snap ala Endgame)

This is without any speculation, just exactly what happens. Where I put 'for some reason', there is no contextual, narrative, thematic or story basis for the action. Neither in this chapter or any others. Nothing in this chapter has been properly foreshadowed or established. It is essentially nonsensical. A Michael Bay action scene makes more sense than this.

The entire chapter can be summed up as: "For some reason, the cringeavengers win"

I didn't include speculation that "ITS A TWIST" or a Ruse. Its basically the end of a marvel movie, if a Marvel movie was a horror movie in the first hour, a few seasons of a Game of Thrones in the second hour, Saving Private Ryan in the third hour, the Watchmen in the fourth hour and Avengers: End Game in the last 15 minutes.

The chapter is great though, because everyone hates it in the community and instead of 'hurting' the readers like Isayama wanted, they're basically mocking the everliving shit out of it. The memes are fucking gold.

 

[Uncle June]

In (somewhat) chronological order

-Armin builds a Sandcastle with Zeke in the center of time and space. As they're building this sandcastle, Arming convinces Zeke to commit suicide instead of letting Eren kill the world
-Armin holds up a leaf and shows it to Zeke. This reminds Zeke of a baseball and better days.
-Zeke pops out of Paths and literally waves to Levi, who instantly decapitates him without hesitation
-For some reason, this stops the giant titans and titans no longer regenerate
-For some reason, Ymir seems to stop helping Eren, maybe by Armin talking her into convincing the value of human life
-The cringeavengers defeat countless Titans like they were nothing, while some just hang around in the background
-For some reason, Eren doesn't use any of the founding titans 1,432,5435 abilities and just generates mobs of Titans like an MMO and also uses the Warhammer Titan remotely, which is then smashed.
-For some reason, Berthold, who is dead, saves Armin from being eaten
-For some reason, Grisha and Kruger (who are also dead) who want to save Eldia and witnessed many horrors help the cringe avengers
-Gabi is an expert shot, but this is the least of the problems
-For some reason, Jean is able to make it to Eren's head and explode it with no sacrifices from the cringe avengers
-For some reason, a living God is damaged by conventional explosives
-Reiner stops Eren from regenerating, turns into armor titan
-Armon then says he never understood Eren, transforming into the Colossal Titan, which is basically a big nuke to kill Eren (Think of it as a retarded Tony Stark snap ala Endgame)

This is without any speculation, just exactly what happens. Where I put 'for some reason', there is no contextual, narrative, thematic or story basis for the action. Neither in this chapter or any others. Nothing in this chapter has been properly foreshadowed or established. It is essentially nonsensical. A Michael Bay action scene makes more sense than this.

The entire chapter can be summed up as: "For some reason, the cringeavengers win"

I didn't include speculation that "ITS A TWIST" or a Ruse. Its basically the end of a marvel movie, if a Marvel movie was a horror movie in the first hour, a few seasons of a Game of Thrones in the second hour, Saving Private Ryan in the third hour, the Watchmen in the fourth hour and Avengers: End Game in the last 15 minutes.

The chapter is great though, because everyone hates it in the community and instead of 'hurting' the readers like Isayama wanted, they're basically mocking the everliving shit out of it. The memes are fucking gold.

Lmao


Yeah I saw Kruger helping out the Cringevengers and was wondering wtf was going on. Be an Eldian restorist, he should be on Erens side. And how the hell was Zeke killed by decapitation? He got blown the fuck up a few chapters back and went to titan heaven where he was rebuilt.

 

[Hackallier]

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

Now that AoT is ending, is anyone going to watch the shōunen pre-high school parody of it next?

As somebody who's read the manga for that, and actually enjoyed it shockingly I was thinking about watching it.

Of course, the manga either ended or canceled. I swear I read somewhere someone said it was canceled, but I'm not sure.

A few highlights I remember include

- Eren is a huge titan racist because Bertholdt (colossal titan) ate his cheese meatloaf on the first day and he's still "gonna kill dem titans".
- Survey Corps are actually the wall cleaning club masquerading at something else I can't remember.
- Armin wears this fucking blanket on his head all the damn time. Like there is a whole chapter dedicated to him taking it off I think.
- EVERYONE calls Eren out on being a racist. Like they're like "ew we don't wanna be near the racist dude tf".
- This one time, Levi had a band.
- There's a whole festival arc about Bertholdt and Annie going on a date together.

Nobody dies, but part of me vaguely remembers when Marco was supposed to die or something "he caught a cold and couldn't show up to school today" But I think Marco came back anyways. It was actually charming and pretty funny, then again it wasn't at all written by Isayama so that's probably why it was GOOD. There is 5 volumes, but I mean it's a fun haha I suppose.

Fucking cackling at Uchiha Madarmin.

Armin is actually Kabuto in that, but y'know what if Armin somehow was a necromancer off screen that shit would be hilarious as fuck anyways.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

As somebody who's read the manga for that, and actually enjoyed it shockingly I was thinking about watching it.

Of course, the manga either ended or canceled. I swear I read somewhere someone said it was canceled, but I'm not sure.

A few highlights I remember include

- Eren is a huge titan racist because Bertholdt (colossal titan) ate his cheese meatloaf on the first day and he's still "gonna kill dem titans".
- Survey Corps are actually the wall cleaning club masquerading at something else I can't remember.
- Armin wears this fucking blanket on his head all the damn time. Like there is a whole chapter dedicated to him taking it off I think.
- EVERYONE calls Eren out on being a racist. Like they're like "ew we don't wanna be near the racist dude tf".
- This one time, Levi had a band.
- There's a whole festival arc about Bertholdt and Annie going on a date together.

Nobody dies, but part of me vaguely remembers when Marco was supposed to die or something "he caught a cold and couldn't show up to school today" But I think Marco came back anyways. It was actually charming and pretty funny, then again it wasn't at all written by Isayama so that's probably why it was GOOD. There is 5 volumes, but I mean it's a fun haha I suppose.

To be fair, Isayama's attempt at a comedic alternate universe (His Attack on School Castes stuff) was genuinely funny shit, but Junior High was also hilarious as hell.

I wonder what would've happened if someone made a Spaceballs-esque parody of AOT, shame those types of parodies don't exist much nowadays.

 

[Cryogonal]

Oh, I get it. Ymit got tired of Eren's bullshit and ejected herself to the much better highschool AU. She never left the good Eren.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I think I should mention that there was an unnerving portion of the fandom that not only supported what Eren, but thought it was completely fucking awesome, wanted him to do worse, and loved him for it. They seriously thought he was some kind of actual genius hero, that, got off on what he was doing, he'd totally win in the end.

I wonder how these irl Yeagerists are feeling right now after their murderous husbando just got completely wrecked by one of the worst militaries in manga history, and that one of them was able to convince his own brother to commit suicide with just a fucking leaf.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

To be fair, Isayama's attempt at a comedic alternate universe (His Attack on School Castes stuff) was genuinely funny shit, but Junior High was also hilarious as hell.

I wonder what would've happened if someone made a Spaceballs-esque parody of AOT, shame those types of parodies don't exist much nowadays.

Levi: How many assholes are in the Survey Corp?
Survey Corp: YO!
Levi:.... I'm surrounded by assholes.

I would pay to see a airplane! or spaceballs version of AoT, but I think the old abridged where Mikasa says "I don't date dudes with vagina's" is as close as we got tbh.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I think I should mention that there was an unnerving portion of the fandom that not only supported what Eren, but thought it was completely fucking awesome, wanted him to do worse, and loved him for it. They seriously thought he was some kind of actual genius hero, that, got off on what he was doing, he'd totally win in the end.

I wonder how these irl Yeagerists are feeling right now after their murderous husbando just got completely wrecked by one of the worst militaries in manga history, and that one of them was able to convince his own brother to commit suicide with just a fucking leaf.

Honestly the angriest people got at the ending were the IRL Yaegerists, most people just have a unsurprised disappointment or are neutral. The IRL Yaegerists are having meltdowns and coping hard that it's hilarious.